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ozbash

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Johns Magic said:
I don't think the Tahs can match it with the top teams with Carter and Jacobs in the centres.

thats hard to say really. the hurricanes were a better team on paper and should have cleaned the tahs up even away from home.

hopefully aussie rugby is getting stronger.
 

Pie Floater

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I think the backline will really revolve around the combination that Kurtley and Lachie have built up through the ARC. The centres will be more like stepping stones between them, or getting the ball out to Tuqiri (who might actually play decently this year) and TimTam to work their magic.

That said, the Carter/Jacobs combo is only in place until Tahu starts to get his head around the game.

Hey, two sites worth mentioning to the tah fans: www.tahpatrol.com (official supporter group) and www.gothetahs.com, which is a fans forum
 

Timbo

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The Carter/Jacobs combo is only there until Norton-Knight is fit IMO, at which point Tahu goes to 13, Turner to 14 and NK to fullback.
 
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Tom Carter has been carving up the Sydney comp for years and he deserves his spot.

And from what I saw on Saturday he is a classic No.12. Runs the ball hard and fast.
With some top defensive reads, hits like a truck.
 

Johns Magic

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The Camden Leisure Pirate said:
Tom Carter has been carving up the Sydney comp for years and he deserves his spot.

And from what I saw on Saturday he is a classic No.12. Runs the ball hard and fast.
With some top defensive reads, hits like a truck.

He is a typical Sydney Uni back: power over skill.

He has very little playmaking ability, which doesn't suit the Waratahs side, whose strengths are out wide.

Carter and Jacobs in the centres will deny Tahu, Tuqiri and Turner a lot of quality ball.
 
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The problem has been in the past that typical No. 12 have been replaced by more
skill based No 10 style players. Giteau etc.

I think the creative onus should be on the No 10 and 9.

But I do see your point. Jacobs has been given a heap of time at 13 with unconvincing results.

Tahu to 13 but keep Carter at 12.
 

Te Kaha

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The Camden Leisure Pirate said:
The problem has been in the past that typical No. 12 have been replaced by more
skill based No 10 style players. Giteau etc.

Thats the NZ way... Carter would be an "inside centre" while Giteau would be "2nd five-eighth"... same position but different styles.. traditionally Aussie has had the inside centre... Deans prefers the 2nd 5/8... maybe the tahs should go that way too.
 

Timbo

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I think the Tahs need to play someone with that creative skill at 12. We need a second 5/8 rather than an inside centre, largely because Beale still has a ways to go before he's ready to lead the side around on his own.

Who should it be though? The only name that springs to mind is Sam Norton-Knight, and he's better suited to fullback imo.
 
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I agree that SNK needs to be at fullback, he lacks the ability to make quick decisions
at 10 or 12.

Daniel Halangahu would be a chance.

But the combo of Halangahu at 12 and Beale at 10 would be a disaster in
defence IMO.

Which is why I think that a traditional 12, who has the capacity to defend well is needed ATM.
 

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Waratahs' fightback falls short


February 23, 2008

NEW South Wales coach Ewen McKenzie watched a depressingly familiar drama unfold in Hamilton when his Waratahs suffered a dramatic 20-17 loss to the Chiefs.

The Waratahs appeared to have gotten out of jail when they recovered from 17-0 down to level at 17-17 at Waikato stadium.

However a kick out on the full by replacement back Sam Harris gave the Chiefs field position and five-eighth Stephan Donald kicked a tie-breaking penalty in the last minute after an infringement at the breakdown.

Both teams scored three tries, but McKenzie admitted his men just didn't play well enough to win.

They squandered some good scoring opportunities in the second half and didn't execute well enough and were unusually undisciplined, conceding the first 10 penalties of the game.

Down 17-5 with eight minutes left, NSW piled on two quick tries through an intercept by Harris and powerful effort from winger Lote Tuqiri.

Five-eighth Kurtley Beale converted the first, but missed the second – had he made it the Waratahs would have been ahead for the first time.

It was their fourth Super loss in five matches in Hamilton and their third straight during McKenzie's tenure.

"I've seen that sort of game a few times now, in a way it was like an old script," McKenzie said.

"They came at us and bustled us around the edges and forced us into errors. We did some good things along the way, but that didn't show on the scoreboard."

Asked what was missing from his team's performance, McKenzie replied "just detail."

"I don't feel like we were outplayed. Just some of the detail. Our mauling, they pulled us down and disrupted us, despite all that we still punched some holes and we had some opportunities and last passes went begging."

All three of the Waratahs' tries were scored by backs, Ben Jacobs, Sam Harris and Lote Tuqiri.

NSW picked up a bonus point for the narrow loss, giving them five points after two games.

The Chiefs capitalised on a strong breeze at their backs and the beneficial early penalty count to establish a 12-0 half-time advantage.

Flanker Liam Messam scored the home team's first try following a line out drive after they eschewed a chance to kick for goal.

New Zealand winger Sitiveni Sitivatu stepped his way through the defence for the second Chiefs try though replays suggested referee Marus Jonker perhaps should have referred it to the television official after doubts over the grounding.

Centre Richard Kahui increased the Chiefs' lead to 17-0 early in the second half when he broke the attempted tackles of half-back Brett Sheehan, Tuqiri and full-back Lachie Turner.

Centre Jacobs sparked the NSW revival when he surged through the middle of the field unchallenged when defenders were deceived by decoy runners.

However, Jacobs bombed two other try scoring opportunities in the following five minutes, knocking on a pass from Beale and then throwing a poor pass behind winger Timana Tahu.

AAP

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23265031-5002381,00.html
 

Twizzle

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good fightback but not enough

still some good signs tho, not too disappointed with that effort
 

rambo1

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I'm not sure why rugby league clubs are interested in Kurtley Beale. His defence last night was second rate. With that effort he will be targeted in future games.

Sam Harris was hero turned villain with his intercept try then after Lote's try he kicked the ball out on the full. The lineout was then back to the Tah's 20 metre line and with a minute to go put undue pressure on the Tahs. I blame Harris for last nights loss. It was a stupid mistake made by an experienced player.
 

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Tahu needs to get off the wing and into centre... the chiefs wingers were ran past nearly everytime.... to be fair though sivivatu and waqaseduadua are exceptional. i dont know if hes got enough speed to be on the wing.... hes up against Fetu Vainakolo next week too... and as a northland fan i can tell you vainakolo will cause tahu some real poroblems...
 

ozbash

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to be fair though sivivatu and waqaseduadua are exceptional

although i was flicking from cricket to footy, i thought sivi had a shocker in the 2nd half.

the chiefs seemed to do their level best to hand that game to the tahs but they didnt want it.
 

JB

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tbh i think the Tahs have a lot of work to do. The Cheifs we're fairly ordinary the whole match. The way the Cheifs started that game was nigh on disgraceful and the Tahs will come up against a lot tougher teams than that.
 

Mal Meninga

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What are Burgess' strength's if he has any? Headless chook who takes too long and when he finally decides to get his nails dirty it's either a hospital pass or hit's the turf 15m behind his intended target.

Not a huge fan of Palu but thought he was excellent and the forwards did a great job in terms of limiting Lauki who was going backwards all night.
 

Johns Magic

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Mal Meninga said:
What are Burgess' strength's if he has any? Headless chook who takes too long and when he finally decides to get his nails dirty it's either a hospital pass or hit's the turf 15m behind his intended target.

He hasn't been great in the last couple of matches, but believe me, Burgess is ten times the player Sheehan is.
 

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