The TV rights thread part II

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Gallop won't be negotiating alone. The board has formed a steering committe and has people on it who know how to negotiate with media outlets.

In any instance, and I've been a harsh critic of Frank Grimes, he deserves the BOTD under the new structure.

As I've said, lets see what he can do now that his hands have been untied before we hang him by his pencil neck.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

You don't seriously think Gallop will be left out of negotiations and the commission will do it all? The commission are not fulltime staff. They are like the old board. Did the board negotiate the TV deal or was it the fulltime executive staff like Gallop and Annesley? I think people need to understand what this commission is. John Grant is not at NRL HQ every day making decisions about the game. He and the other seven might make the decisions but they won't be sitting down with TV networks and doing negotiations. That's the CEO's job.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I agree, except about Gallop. He is shaping as the only thing that will prevent a good deal, if anything. Ten has always been big on cross-promoting things, especially fumbelball. That's one of the reasons I voted for them to get games. The interesting thing about this Project business is that it suggests the games will be live nationally, even if it's only on One in the Victorian states.

One will do. Absolutely.

I just want to see Channel 9 killed off.

They are incapable of change.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Oh MY,You are joking..Of course Grant & co are not at HQ every day,but im sure when negotiations are happening they will be there..
Do you honestly think that Grant,Pemberton,Elliott & LEK Consultancy will let Gallop do all the negotiating..
You are talking about successful business people who have done this before ,& you think they will let ONE man do it for them..
As i said paranoia has got the better of you...
Consider this..These very successful business people will let DG get a bad deal(when the public expectation is the opposite) & put a mark against their highly respected name in the business world).
Oh my.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

ECT ..It is NOT the CEO's job..He did the preliminary negotiations with LEK before the IC came in..You were told a few posts above that there is a committee to do the negotiating,but you ignored that..

Doc can verify if i have it wrong..
Grant,Pemberton,Elliott & Lek will nut out a deal...If DG is there or not it is not a problem..HE IS NOT THE NEGOTIATOR.
Jesus give the IC a chance.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

ECT ..It is NOT the CEO's job..He did the preliminary negotiations with LEK before the IC came in..You were told a few posts above that there is a committee to do the negotiating,but you ignored that..

Doc can verify if i have it wrong..
Grant,Pemberton,Elliott & Lek will nut out a deal...If DG is there or not it is not a problem..HE IS NOT THE NEGOTIATOR.
Jesus give the IC a chance.

Ah that post came in as I was typing mine. And now you admit Gallop was and is involved. So my concern about his uselessness is well founded. HE WILL BE INVOLVED. That's all I need to know. Re-read what I originally said. I said he will prevent a good deal, if anything. Based on the fact that he was involved in the last deal and it was shit and he is involved in this deal I don't think that's an unreasonable statement.

 

[Panfas]

Who the f**k cares if DG is involved? Its not like he has complete power of decisions. He probably cant even take a piss without getting approval from the ARLC

 

[East Coast Tiger]

The problem is that the negotiations are the key, not the rubber stamping of the deal. The IC can't agree to a good deal if a good deal is not negotiated.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Who the f**k cares if DG is involved? Its not like he has complete power of decisions. He probably cant even take a piss without getting approval from the ARLC

Yep. He'd be on a pretty tight leash at the moment.

He's only there because he's been a News Stooge, but lets move past that in the name of progress.

If he farks up in any way, he's gooooooooooone.

 

[El Diablo]

Oh MY,You are joking..Of course Grant & co are not at HQ every day,but im sure when negotiations are happening they will be there..
Do you honestly think that Grant,Pemberton,Elliott & LEK Consultancy will let Gallop do all the negotiating..
You are talking about successful business people who have done this before ,& you think they will let ONE man do it for them..
As i said paranoia has got the better of you...
Consider this..These very successful business people will let DG get a bad deal(when the public expectation is the opposite) & put a mark against their highly respected name in the business world).
Oh my.

 

[beave]

f**king hell ECT, ease up with the negativity. You are the most 'half glass empty' poster on these boards, give them a chance and see what they come up with. If they get a crap deal then by all means bag them, but until that happens then you are just speculating deluxe. It has been said time and time again, the IC and Gallop will be the D makers, the IC can fire his ass so you really think the IC are going to let a substandard deal get signed off??? Their credibility will be smashed both as the IC and with their businesses.

Patience is a virtue...........

 

[adamkungl]

Doc, serious qquestion..At what stage (with all the current hype/BS/Media focus) on RL ,will it dawn on CH9 that they have totally f**ked up with RL?
I mean there are suppossed to be smart business people running the station ,who seem to have NFI on how to promote or look after their Golden Goose.
Will it dawn on them after the 90 day period when they see that other stations want it,will promote it ,& will get it at all costs.

I don't think it will until it's too late.

The attitude from Gyngell and co is and always has been one of complete confidence/arrogance, oblivious to the growing dissatisfaction.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Yeah yeah. The same people who were happy to let News get all the concessions it wanted, happy for Gallop to stay as CEO, happy for the process to be drawn out for 18 months, happy for expansion to be put back year after year, etc etc are happy to let Gallop be involved in the TV negotiations. The same people probably said the same thing in 1997 when we were f**ked over, the same thing in 1999 during the failed rationalisation, the same the last time the TV deal was f**ked up. If we get a good deal it won't be because of Gallop, it will be in spite of him. This wait and see attitude is the reason the sport has basically gone nowhere in 100 years despite having all the potential in the world. You lot don't seem to realise that I am actually the optimist. I think the game SHOULD be doing a lot better because it has the potential. It's called ambition. That is actually positive. Having the same News Ltd muppet who f**ked up the last deal and expecting a better outcome from him doesn't make you an optimist. It makes you deluded.

 

[juro]

I don't think it will until it's too late.

The attitude from Gyngell and co is and always has been one of complete confidence/arrogance, oblivious to the growing dissatisfaction.

Yeah, Gyngell acts like Nine own the game. Like it is their god-given right to do with it as they please.

What is it they say... you don't know what you've got until it's gone.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Yeah yeah. The same people who were happy to let News get all the concessions it wanted, happy for Gallop to stay as CEO, happy for the process to be drawn out for 18 months, happy for expansion to be put back year after year, etc etc are happy to let Gallop be involved in the TV negotiations. The same people probably said the same thing in 1997 when we were f**ked over, the same thing in 1999 during the failed rationalisation, the same the last time the TV deal was f**ked up. If we get a good deal it won't be because of Gallop, it will be in spite of him. This wait and see attitude is the reason the sport has basically gone nowhere in 100 years despite having all the potential in the world. You lot don't seem to realise that I am actually the optimist. I think the game SHOULD be doing a lot better because it has the potential. It's called ambition. That is actually positive. Having the same News Ltd muppet who f**ked up the last deal and expecting a better outcome from him doesn't make you an optimist. It makes you deluded.

He doesn't answer to News now....

That's the point.

I had plenty of reservations about Gallop whilst he was being paid by News, but they don't pay him any more. I still have reservations, but they're not the same one's as they were..

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Yeah, Gyngell acts like Nine own the game. Like it is their god-given right to do with it as they please.

What is it they say... you don't know what you've got until it's gone.

News gone and 9 gone would make this a very good year...

 

[East Coast Tiger]

I still have reservations, but they're not the same one's as they were..

Yeah, me too. But apparently the story is either that 1. he won't have anything to do with negotiations, or 2. the IC will swoop in and fix it all.

So it's okay that he's f**king useless.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Yeah, me too. But apparently the story is either that 1. he won't have anything to do with negotiations, or 2. the IC will swoop in and fix it all.

So it's okay that he's f**king useless.

I doubt that it's that simple.

Your opinion of him can only have been based on his time at the head of the NRL, and he was a News puppet the whole time. You have to take into account that he no longer works for them and its now in his best interest to get every $ he can for his employers. And he won't be able to sign off on the new deal without the IC's rubber stamp.

You can hate the bloke all you like, but if the new deal comes up at $1 billion +, he'll have done his job and so will the IC.

 

[docbrown]

Doc, serious qquestion..At what stage (with all the current hype/BS/Media focus) on RL ,will it dawn on CH9 that they have totally f**ked up with RL?
I mean there are suppossed to be smart business people running the station ,who seem to have NFI on how to promote or look after their Golden Goose.
Will it dawn on them after the 90 day period when they see that other stations want it,will promote it ,& will get it at all costs.

Probably never. All the management at Nine have are excuses.

I agree, except about Gallop. He is shaping as the only thing that will prevent a good deal, if anything. Ten has always been big on cross-promoting things, especially fumbelball. That's one of the reasons I voted for them to get games. The interesting thing about this Project business is that it suggests the games will be live nationally, even if it's only on One in the Victorian states.

They know how to make it happen. They were dudded with the Saturday AFL games but as one of the few points Ritchie got right and as I've said before Ten will make Rugby League their flagship.

And yes, One HD will carry NRL games nationally.

 

[docbrown]

Phil it's Colin Smith and David Ferrarin at LEK who will be their reps