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The TV rights thread part II

Providing the price is right which is your preferred FTA broadcast option?

  • All games on Seven

    Votes: 11 4.2%
  • All games on Nine

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • All games on Ten

    Votes: 59 22.6%
  • Seven/Nine split

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Seven/Ten split

    Votes: 109 41.8%
  • Nine/Ten split

    Votes: 55 21.1%

  • Total voters
    261
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docbrown

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yep

not the time for retailers to invert into a shell
they need to get out & advertise their merchandise

what better platform then adverts during Australias most watched sport
this equals $$$$$$;-)

Indeed. You also tend to see merchandisers try to "buy" their way out of financial troubles via advertising.

All this talk of the networks folding is kind of silly.

Worst case 9 bids and then we call out for short term bidders. There's nothing that states that we have to accept 9's bid length.
 

smithie

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Friday night ratings: Aug 12th, 2011

8 Nine’s Live Friday Night Football - Nine - 842,000 (Total) - 494,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 348,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)

10 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 21: St Kilda Vs Collingwood - Seven - 778,000 (Total) - 9,000 (Syd) - 522,000 (Mel) - 3,000 (Bris) - 144,000 (Adel) - 98,000 (Per)

23 Nine’s Friday Night Football - Nine - 361,000 (Total) - 243,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 119,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)
 

bobmar28

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Friday night ratings: Aug 12th, 2011

8 Nine’s Live Friday Night Football - Nine - 842,000 (Total) - 494,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 348,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)

10 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 21: St Kilda Vs Collingwood - Seven - 778,000 (Total) - 9,000 (Syd) - 522,000 (Mel) - 3,000 (Bris) - 144,000 (Adel) - 98,000 (Per)

23 Nine’s Friday Night Football - Nine - 361,000 (Total) - 243,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 119,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)

AFL's QLD experiment doesn't seem to be working out. 3,000 viewers?
 

gallagher

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Friday night ratings: Aug 12th, 2011

8 Nine’s Live Friday Night Football - Nine - 842,000 (Total) - 494,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 348,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)

10 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 21: St Kilda Vs Collingwood - Seven - 778,000 (Total) - 9,000 (Syd) - 522,000 (Mel) - 3,000 (Bris) - 144,000 (Adel) - 98,000 (Per)

23 Nine’s Friday Night Football - Nine - 361,000 (Total) - 243,000 (Syd) - *** (Mel) - 119,000 (Bris) - *** (Adel) - *** (Per)
How come there is no figures for NRL in Melb or Perth? because of the time slot?
 

docbrown

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How come there is no figures for NRL in Melb or Perth? because of the time slot?

Spills into Saturday morning.

Late nights are usually about 40,000 so the figure is really about 882,000 for 5 cities.

If we want to boost the earlier numbers:
* Show it in the 7:30pm (or 7pm slot) on digital in Melbourne, Perth & Adelaide
* If a 7:30pm slot, then show the alternate game on digital but remove the current score graphics. Then swap at 9:30pm.
* If a 7:00pm slot with a 7:22pm kickoff, then finish the second game by 11:10pm so more viewers are inclined to see the game through in its entirety.
 

Perth Red

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Given SOO3 got 108K viewers in Perth and AFL only got 98K for its Friday AFL game in Perth you have to question why Ch9 continues to refuse to show the game into affiliated states?

I wonder how many extra we could add if the game was shown in the three population centres with a combined population of 7million at 7..30pm?
 

CC_Roosters

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lol lol lol we are thrashing the **** out of the wankers on the old picture box, this better translate into $$$.
 

docbrown

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Anyone ever read this from the SL days?

I know the SMH and other papers have stated RL only just in the last few seasons outrated AFL, but this old article tells a different story.

http://www.annabernasek.com/timearticles/Time%2004%2024%2095.PDF

The game has always performed well on television however it did struggle during Super League and the subsequent aftermath. For quite some time we have had less game on F2A broadcast to a small restricted audience on both F2A & Subscription.

Here's why rugby league is made for television, in a purely cinematic sense:

* Played left to right - most football codes have this which is an advantage over other sports like baseball (which breaks the viewpoint line when they cut to where the ball was hit) because human brains are hardwired to respond to simple eye movements and find L-R less disjointed. For example, think of how your eyes move when you're reading book compared to when you're forced to glance up and down repeatedly.

* Ball movement is typically shifted between the attacking team up or down the screen and less frequently long kicked or passed off screen - this means the actual ball is in focus on screen longer in a tighter shot than in soccer which has to remain quite wide. Also unlike AFL, because the number of cuts are fewer, it's actually easier on the eye and less strobe like.

* There is a natural close up at every play the ball with an emphasis on two players in a very physical encounter which is therefore magnified and which counterpoints the wider shots.

* The nature of the 10 metre wide cut shot restart creates a clear line of vision for the viewer at the restart of play following a tackle i.e. so the audience immediately understands the relative position of all players, unlike say in soccer or AFL where players off-screen are essentially unknown and can create the perception of "coming out of nowhere"

* Unlike NFL, Rugby League players move back quicker for the reset meaning there is always a fluidity of movement

* Unlike AFL or Union, the ball in Rugby League typically remains visible to the viewer for the majority of the game, rather than lost in a mass of bodies.
 
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Delboy

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One of the most transparent things about Foxtel is their pandering to AFL and the rights.

They issued a statement at their shareholders meeting, which looks like it was intended to put the NRL on the back foot. Basically the nuffie in charge spruiked how important the AFL games going live on Foxtel meant as it would give them a push in sunbsrcription in the "southern states".

Newsflash to Foxtel, lose th rights to NRL and watch subscription plummet and lose 73 of your top 100 rating programmes, they are very biased and underhand. Ticks me off no end.
 

docbrown

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http://www.encoremagazine.com.au/free-to-air-financial-year-ad-revenue-9960

Free to air TV’s financial year ad revenue results

FreeTV Australia, the industry body which represents all of Australia’s commercial free-to-air television licencees, reported a gross advertising revenue of $4billion over the past financial year across all three Networks.
Network share fell in Seven’s favour in both halves, far ahead of Nine, with Ten third.
Seven: 37.53% (July-Dec), 37.60% (Jan-June)
Nine: 34.96% (July-Dec), 33.55% (Jan-June)
Ten: 27.50% (July-Dec), 28.85% (Jan-June)
The second half of the financial year posted a drop in the market from the first half in both Metro and regional totals. The July to December 2010 figures placed the total gross revenue at $2.155billion across all three networks, while the January to June 2011 figures reported 1.837billion, creating a 0.318billion drop.
Across all capital cities, spending totaled just over$3billion for the year, and broken down as follows:

July – December 2010
Sydney – 621,757,219
Melbourne – 465,598,961
Brisbane – 286,480,502
Adelaide – 123,059,949
Perth – 176,536,996
Total – 1,673,433,627


January – June 2011
Sydney – 526,924,232
Melbourne – 383,347,892
Brisbane – 239,526,006
Adelaide – 106,126,170
Perth – 152,477,889
Total – 1408,402,189


Across the states’ regions, spending totaled $911million over the year was broke down as follows:

July – December 2010
New South Wales – 211,794,145
Victoria – 72,647,518
Queensland – 116,815,844
South Australia – 16,222,729
West Australia – 24,632,208
Northern Territory / Tasmania – 40,197,449
Total – 482,309,893


January – June 2011
New South Wales – 193,634,606
Victoria – 62,781,833
Queensland – 100,599,146
South Australia – 15,459,967
West Australia – 22,121,046
Northern Territory / Tasmania – 34,764,012
Total – 429,360,610


So NSW & QLD as you can see represent approximately 60% of the market.
 

Perth Red

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Sad reality is they know full well they wil not lose the NRL rights no matter how under valued their bid. The AFL deal is actually a very good one for them and will no doubt do what it sets out to do which is increase their subscription rates in Vic,SA and WA up to what they are in NSW and Q'land. They had to pay overs to get the coverage they need to drive this, ie every game live, where as they will basically want the same as they have now from NRL and as they already own it won't feel the need to offer overs.

Now if we had a real alternative bidder for 4 games a week then it would be a different scenario.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...of-all-nrl-games/story-e6frg996-1226114833260

Premier targets live coverage of all NRL games

James Chessell
From: The Australian
August 15, 2011 12:00AM

THE new chief executive of Premier Media Group, Patrick Delany, says the pay-television company's Fox Sports channels want to buy the rights to show every National Rugby League game live -- but at the right price.

In his first interview since taking the top job at Premier, Mr Delany said he was keen to negotiate a deal that would give pay-TV the right to show every regular season game live provided the "value equation" was right.

The NRL broadcast negotiations are shaping up as a complicated and political process with recent media reports canvassing extreme scenarios such as a $1.4 billion price tag for the 2013-17 rights package or a deal that shuts out pay-TV in the short term.

"It would make sense for us to try to get all games live but I would have to look at the value equation before going ahead with anything," Mr Delany said.

"I'm certainly saying we won't pay less and that (the previous rights) deal was struck five years ago, so let's have a look."

Mr Delany, who worked at Foxtel for nine years before joining Premier last month, will lead the pay-TV negotiations.

He has hired veteran broadcast rights negotiator Ian Frykberg to assist him.

Mr Delany was involved in Foxtel's negotiated deal with the AFL this year to allowFoxtel to broadcast every regular season game live.

And Foxtel boss Kim Williams recently finished a roadshow of the AFL clubs as they prepare to sell their new rights next year.

Mr Delany said he hoped the NRL negotiations would work in a similar way.

"Through the AFL we were able to say this is what we want," he said. "And the free-to-airs were able to say what we want. The internet guys were saying this is what we want. The AFL was able to shuffle it around and ended up getting a great deal."

Foxtel and Austar have higher penetration rates in NSW and Queensland because of relatively stronger NRL packages, and Mr Delany said he was keen to ensure the pay-TV NRL offering kept pace with the new AFL deal "so long as it makes sense".

Mr Delany said it was in the interests of "broadcasters, clubs and fans" for all parties to adopt a positive attitude and that the formation of the new commission "should bring some rigour to the whole process".

"It obviously seems highly emotionally charged at the moment," he said.

"NRL is important to us and the way in which I intend to approach it is in a very logical and rational way. That is to sit down and see what it is that we can do. To be talking in negative terms such as 'what happens if Fox Sports loses the NRL' is not the way to frame it. I think it is important to see what might grow free-to-air TV as well . . . what you get dictates what you pay for."

News Limited (publisher of The Australian) and Consolidated Media Holdings each own 50 per cent of Premier.

News's 50 per cent stake in the NRL, which ends when the new commission is formed, has left it exposed to conflict of interest accusations since the previous $100 million-a-year deal with Nine and Fox Sports.

Free-to-air and pay-TV will end up paying more for the 2013-17 rights and the total package (including digital and advertising contra) could be up to $1bn.

Extensive sports rights are critical for the local pay-TV industry. the penetration rate of which has stalled at about 30 per cent amid tough economic conditions and competition from free-to-air digital channels.

Mr Delany, who has worked in the pay-TV industry for 15 years, has been charged also with broadening the appeal of Fox Sports by improving the look and feel of its channels.

"Within a period of time, the company has to become one of Australia's iconic aspirational brands," he said.

"We need to go from 'I have Foxtel for the sport' to 'I have Foxtel because I love Fox Sports'."
 

Cumberland Throw

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Mr Delaney you can kiss my $ 120 a month good bye

If you a) don't give nrl a decent price b) don't have any nrl

Guess what a league and s14 mean ef all to me
 

Perth Red

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Actually that sounds positive to me, he is basically saying that we could expect the same as AFL got from Fox if they can have every game live. The big battle will be to get the money out of FTA for non exclusive live games. I'd love Foxsports to have everygame live.
 
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