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The TV rights thread part II

Providing the price is right which is your preferred FTA broadcast option?

  • All games on Seven

    Votes: 11 4.2%
  • All games on Nine

    Votes: 17 6.5%
  • All games on Ten

    Votes: 59 22.6%
  • Seven/Nine split

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Seven/Ten split

    Votes: 109 41.8%
  • Nine/Ten split

    Votes: 55 21.1%

  • Total voters
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El Diablo

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I think that's similar to the link I posted. Anyways, I was surprised that Ch7 didn't offload 2 of their games, preferably the Saturday arvo and Sunday arvo as they are the two lower rating timeslots. So, they will have a Friday Night, Saturday afternoon, Saturday night and Sunday afternoon game. Only the Saturday arvo game will be delayed, the other three are live.

well it seems AFL loving 9 are still interested http://www.facebook.com/wideworldofsports

Wide World of Sports Hi Jason, there will certainly be some negotiations so we'll see what happens. As Nine has NRL broadcast commitments on Friday night and Sunday afternoon, the most realistic opportunity would be to take the Saturday afternoon or Saturday night AFL game.
 

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Get f**ked trackhead. I've been here a lot longer than you. I'll eat my serving if i'm proved wrong. We've already got industry 'insiders' saying we're going to have to settle for 800 mill.

Anything less than a billion is a tragedy.

Couldn't agree more with this. The NRL deal should smash what that other code got.
Look at the stats ffs.
 

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So, at the least, 10 are out the running for FNF then? That leaves 7, 9 and Foxtel.

It's looking more and more likely that the NRL will, once again, sell off our product to the Foxtel/9 cartel for peanuts.
 

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So, at the least, 10 are out the running for FNF then? That leaves 7, 9 and Foxtel.

It's looking more and more likely that the NRL will, once again, sell off our product to the Foxtel/9 cartel for peanuts.

what are you basing this on?

paranoia?
 

bluesbreaker

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I wouldn't play the paranoia card old mate, you have about 30,000 posts trawling through bigpoofy and news websites looking for any mention of the NRL in a negative light.
 

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Turned off: Ten pulling the plug on AFL telecasts

Sam Lienert

June 24, 2011

THE Seven Network say they have no problems televising four AFL games per round for the next five years, after the Ten Network pulled out of the running.


Seven earlier this year bought the rights to broadcast four matches as part of the AFL's $1.253 billion rights deal, under which Foxtel will show all nine matches live.

Seven had been in negotiations with Ten to on-sell two of their four games, but Ten has now decided not to buy them.


Ten's head of sport, David Barham, said it was sad news for those who had been involved in the network's AFL team. ''It's just a pure business decision,'' he said.

Barham declined to comment on whether not having AFL commitments would increase Ten's chances of securing the right to broadcast NRL games.


Ten are believed to be interested in bidding for the Friday night NRL matches when the new deal is signed for 2013.


Seven will now show all four matches - on Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Saturday night and Sunday afternoon - unless they can broker a deal to onsell one or more to the Nine Network.


Under Seven's deal, the four games will be screened on their secondary channel, 7Mate, in NSW and Queensland.


Seven currently only screens two games per round, on Friday nights and Sundays, with the remaining matches split between Ten and Foxtel. But Seven Melbourne general manager Lewis Martin said they were happy to double their AFL schedule.


''We are excited about the prospect of carrying all the AFL games for which we bid,'' Martin said.

''But we wish to acknowledge that Channel Ten has been a terrific AFL broadcast partner for the past five years, and their commitment to the game over the past decade. ''We understand and empathise with how difficult these decisions can be.''
AAP



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/t...#ixzz1Q9wuAkw7
 

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So, at the least, 10 are out the running for FNF then? That leaves 7, 9 and Foxtel.

It's looking more and more likely that the NRL will, once again, sell off our product to the Foxtel/9 cartel for peanuts.

We have seven, nine, ten and foxtel after one product. We are in a good position.
 

El Diablo

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7 have 4 games of AFL to broadcast next year. Where will the NRL fit around that?

9 still want 2 of those according to their facebook page

9 can have them. i just hope to f**k that come 2013 the NRL is off this shit channel that is run by dumbass Victorians who hate RL
 

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7 have 4 games of AFL to broadcast next year. Where will the NRL fit around that?
They'll fit the NRL on Seven's main channel opposite the AFL on 7mate in Sydney and Brisbane, and on 7mate opposite the AFL on their main channel in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth. With the new anti-syphoning rules free to air broadcast space isn't the issue, it's just a question of the money to pay for it.

Leigh
 

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7 have 4 games of AFL to broadcast next year. Where will the NRL fit around that?
The available timeslots aren't the problem. Even if 7 got 4 NRL games AND every single one of those was at the same time as their 4 AFL games, it wouldn't be a problem.

Both codes would be on the main channel in its home states and on the digital channel in their respective foreign states.

The bigger issue is if they have enough money to have a serious go at NRL.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...r-as-much-as-afl/story-e6frg7mf-1226081603237
NRL cannot kick broadcast rights can for as much as AFL

James Chessell
From: The Australian
June 25, 2011 12:00AM

ON any rational analysis, the NRL's media rights are not worth as much as the AFL's.

This will not stop many members of the extended rugby league family - including the odd commentator and club chairman - from making unrealistic claims about the the game's value. But strip away the emotion, ideology and historic grievances and you are left with good news and bad news as far as the NRL broadcast rights are concerned.

The bad news is that the Gold Coast Titans have as much chance of winning the competition as the NRL has of beating the $1.25 billion media rights deal struck between the AFL, Foxtel, Telstra and Seven earlier this year.

There are several reasons why the NRL is less valuable. The most obvious is that a free-to-air broadcaster cannot show as many ads. This is because a game of rugby league is not only shorter but contains less tries than goals and therefore fewer breaks in play.

While AFL is not big in NSW or Queensland, it is a more national game, which is important. For example, a company such as Telstra will always pay more for mobile and internet (IPTV) rights if it can market them across the country. Having the AFL is often the reason Seven finishes the week on top for all mainland capital cities combined.

National reach counts. NRL tragics talk about the code's Sydney and Brisbane audiences - which are very strong - but they forget that both AFL grand finals last year outrated the NRL equivalent (2.8 million and 2.7 million v 2.1 million) for the capital cities. Last year's NRL finals games averaged almost 700,000 metro viewers compared with more than 900,000 per AFL finals game, according to Goldman Sachs. These are the numbers FTA broadcasters care about. Not curious "cumulative audience" figures quoted in some newspapers (including The Australian) in March.

Another key difference is the new Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney AFL teams. They will take many years to build even a small following, but expansion plans mean more games and more money.

It should also be said the stars aligned for the AFL deal. Seven was forced into a "take it or leave it" situation when it became clear Foxtel was in the running to broadcast all nine regular season games per round live (with the support of Nine). Seven ended up paying $50m extra. Foxtel upped its contribution for the live rights.

This scenario could be repeated with the NRL - Foxtel certainly wants to show all games live - but it is less likely. Seven already had four AFL games per week to show; it doesn't have the room to do a deal for more than one game per round. Meanwhile, Ten has made it clear to a nervous equity market it won't overpay for sports rights.

Another complicating factor is the Sunday afternoon NRL game Nine currently uses to lead into its 6pm news. To do that, the match is shown on a one-hour delay - a 4pm kickoff is too late to attract live fans - and FTA networks would resist any attempt by Fox Sports to show this game live.

Nine, which is dead against Foxtel broadcasting every NRL game live now that it is the incumbent broadcaster, also has some power in the form of a "first and last" option. The network argues this will make it harder for NRL chief executive David Gallop to break up parts of the schedule such as the State of Origin series among rival networks. Gallop does not necessarily agree but admits in the first instance the game must be offered as a complete package. Nine can lose its "first and last" if another party beats its opening bid by 20 per cent but this is a long shot. Breaking up parts of the game, of course, is no guarantee of increasing the total price.

Whether these points will be acknowledged by Gallop's critics remains to be seen.

Which brings us to the good news. Both pay-TV and Nine paid too little for the current deal which is worth about $100m per year. Both get great value out of the game - the NRL supplied 73 of the top 100 pay-TV programs last year and the Origin series delivers Nine an audience on par with the grand final.

Nine pays about $40m per year for three out of eight weekly games and could end up doubling its price.

The $60m per year paid by pay-TV seems like more but it is split between Foxtel, Austar and Sky in New Zealand.

But the bottom line is the total number (including digital and mobile rights) will be closer to $1bn than $1.25bn.

This would be a good result. It's a shame some people won't see it that way.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...oadcast-contract/story-e6frg7mf-1226081596217

Test of unity in broadcast contract

James Chessell
From: The Australian
June 25, 2011 12:00AM

A NEWLY formed NRL commission is expected to establish a sub-committee charged with handling critical broadcast rights negotiations in what will be a key test of its cohesiveness.

NRL chief David Gallop said negotiating the 2013-17 television, mobile and online rights would be one of the inaugural commission's most important tasks.

Many observers are tipping that the code will secure a deal worth $800 million-$1 billion.

"My expectation is that there will be a small sub-committee that includes people from my management team, external consultants and commissioners," Gallop said. "I am also keen that we maintain a high level of contact with the clubs."

Previous deals have been complicated by News Limited (publisher of The Australian) sitting on both sides of negotiations by owning 25 per cent of pay-television group Foxtel and 50 per cent of the NRL. News will relinquish its stake once the new commission is formed, although it will retain a lengthy "first and last" pay-TV option.

Gallop said he intended to play a role in negotiations "to the extent that I need to be -- it's an important process".

Gallop, who is in the midst of signing a new four-year contract with the NRL, is well regarded by many independent observers. But he is also a former lawyer with a long association with News and the broadcast negotiations will be closely watched by his critics.

A sub-committee that includes independent commissioners would be similar to the system used by the AFL, which sold its 2012-16 broadcast, digital and mobile rights for $1.25bn earlier this year.

With AFL negotiations effectively ending late last week -- when Ten passed on the opportunity to buy two games from Seven -- the focus has turned to the NRL. Gallop spoke separately this week to Ten interim chief executive Lachlan Murdoch (also a director of News) and Seven West Media chief David Leckie. He also met Nine managing director Jeff Browne, whose network holds the current free-to-air rights and is the most likely to secure the next deal.

The current broadcast deal is worth about $100m a year and Gallop has historically said Nine underpaid for the right to show three out of eight games per round.

More recently, however, he has turned his attention to putting pressure on Foxtel.

"When you are providing 73 of the top 100 programs for pay-TV you can see why people say Foxtel subscriptions are built on rugby league," Gallop said.

Goldman Sachs analyst Christian Guerra said in a recent note to clients: "Based on the 'quality of content' metrics that we examine below, the declared interest of each of the FTA networks and the importance of mass-markets sports in a fragmenting media environment, we expect the NRL to achieve a much-improved number at the upcoming negotiations."
 
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