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The TV rights thread

Who would you like to see get the rights providing the price is right?

  • Seven

    Votes: 57 20.5%
  • Nine

    Votes: 49 17.6%
  • Ten

    Votes: 110 39.6%
  • Rights split between FTA channels

    Votes: 147 52.9%

  • Total voters
    278
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Cletus

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2-3 games a week after Midnight and 2-3 New Zealand games that have 5pm EST starts add little to the TV deal. Add to this the low appeal of South African team games.

Fox basically pays for 2-3 Australian primetime slot Super 15 games, the rest is just part of the background. Super 15 will likely never see free to air here because of that and Fox won't onsell one of those few local matches to FTA.

Compare that to 8 weekly NRL matches spread across ideal non-competing timeslots and you'll see why blanket marketing is vital.

They are sharing the TV income for all countries involved at the moment. That's why the ARU would be in trouble if the Saffas pull out.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/all-that-glitters-is-not-gold-in-new-sanzar-deal/
 

Cletus

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It would be fantastic to get $1Billion for the next rights deal. Hopefully we have an independant commision in place to allocate it wisely rather than News Ltd arsehats.
 

Perth Red

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I wonder why Gallop refuses to name his price yet Demtriou has stated on a number of occasions he is looking for $1billion?
 

docbrown

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I wonder why Gallop refuses to name his price yet Demtriou has stated on a number of occasions he is looking for $1billion?

Different styles. If the AFL were in the NRL's position, I'm sure Demetriou would lose his swagger quickly. Demetriou is also out to build his own legacy, hence his constant talk of $1 Billion is a bullying tactic to pressure the networks. He has rubbed people the wrong way in the past with his approach.

Despite all the negative press he gets, Gallop is well respected in the sports management community. Whereas Demetriou has boasted about his discussions with the networks, Gallop has kept it all confidential. The biggest secret is the outcome of his meetings with 10.

One thing which should be of major interest is Ten's decision to shift to a one hour 6pm news bulletin, going head to head against 9 & 7. They are looking for a strong weekend lead in and the strongest thing there is on a weekend is sport.

The options then are:

* Friday Night Follow On from 7pm
* Saturday Afternoon Lead In from 3/4pm to 6pm
* Saturday Night Follow On sports coverage from 6:30/7pm
* Sunday Afternoon Lead In from 2/3pm to 6pm

Saturday Afternoon AFL is struggling and 10 have admitted that they're not getting the value they paid for it.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.backpagelead.com.au/leag...an-independent-commission-a-continuing-series

Why League needs an independent commission (a continuing series)

Written on Monday, 30 August 2010 22:05

It really isn’t easy being green. Channel Nine’s decision to beam Gold Coast v Wests Tigers into most of NSW this Friday doesn’t beggar belief but it makes me believe the Canberra Raiders are beggars.

And they will be until we get the Independent Commission and a television contract that is written in such a way that it benefits the game and not the dictatorial broadcasters.

Let’s run you through it. In one game on Friday, Brisbane – who haven’t missed the finals since 1991 – are playing the wonderfully entertaining Raiders in front of an anticipated 52,000 sell-out Suncorp Stadium crowd. In all likelihood, but depending on what South Sydney does, it will decide eighth spot.

Down the street at Skilled Park, Wests Tigers are taking on Gold Coast. Wests Tigers are already assured of a home final while Gold Coast will be playing for one - but each is safely in the play-offs.

It was widely anticipated the Brisbane game would be shown live everywhere with the Robina clash on delay. But oh no, the Raiders are clearly ratings poison in Sydney.

The head honchos at Nine decided that Sydney people were, in effect, more interested in a Queensland team playing for a home final that one from the ACT engaged in a sudden death battle with a team on the precipice of an historic failure.

(Thankfully, WIN TV has since come to the rescue of Canberra residents, who will get to see the Green Machine live).

This, the same network which bought English rugby league rights this year to fill up its HD channel and thoughtfully showed the Challenge Cup final 24 hours after it was played – which is the worst timeslot the Wembley showpiece has occupied in this country since, I think, 1984.

The same network that has a contract to show rugby league in Melbourne at a reasonable time but simply refuses to do so.

I am a rugby league writer, not a media writer. So I’m going to discuss how the NRL can prevent this situation happening in future rather than continue down the path of bagging Channel Nine.

One, don’t give Channel Nine – or anyone – exclusive free-to-air rights ever again. The argument that you get more promotional and editorial support by going with one network is simply an admission that you don’t think your sport is good enough to get exposure on its own merits.

Give us Nine on Friday night, Ten on Saturday and Seven on Sunday or some variation of that, like the AFL does.

Two, tell the networks that they take whatever games they are given. You know the meetings they have where they decide what games are on, when, in five weeks' time?

Don’t invite any television executives to them.

Three, let’s not be so greedy in our quest for $1 billion from the next deal to harm the game for another five years.

Everyone is expecting the IC and the new TV deal in 2013 to save rugby league from all its ills. But let’s hope the IC can save us from another TV deal that has our pants around our ankles as we repeatedly touch our toes.
 

Gippsy

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Good article, good points made, but with all the conflict of interest in RL at the moment, will it happen?
 

meltiger

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Why is he whinging about 2nd v 3rd being shown into the majority of NSW live? It's as important a game as 8th v what 9th/10th is


WIN came to the party and ensured the Raiders got shown into their home market, whilst Sydney gets to watch a Sydney team play for 2nd


What's the issue?


Agree with him on the idea of splitting the coverage across networks if need be to gain a better deal. FTA exposure is paramount to closing the perception gap between the NRL & AFL
 

Perth Red

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I donl;t understand why CH9 don't show NRL nationally on their digital channel?

Next TV deal has to:

1. Show the game FTA nationally live or within 2 hours of live (+live on its digital Channle nationally)
2. Fixed scheduling with 2-3 Friday Night games (Reds could be Fri night at 7.30WA time, 9.30pm live East coast) 3-4 Saturday games, 3 Sunday afternoon games
3. Show English SL next day, if not live preferably, nationally
4. Spilt packages to get max $ value
5. Sell for at least $750mill

Anything less is failure imo.
 

Billythekid

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Raiders are probably my second favourite team (loved clyde, wiki and co) and i have been tipping them all year to make the finals so i am very interested in the game.

However i still want to see the tigers vs titans. Second vs third is a great match up and the tigers are playing superb football. It could be one of the games of the year between two genuine premiership contenders.

The Broncos are playing atrocius football and it is a battle between two teams struggling to make the eight. There are also far more tigers fan in pretty much all of NSW than either of these two clubs (in fact more than msot clubs).
 

Billythekid

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Raiders are probably my second favourite team (loved clyde, wiki and co) and i have been tipping them all year to make the finals so i am very interested in the game.

However i still want to see the tigers vs titans. Second vs third is a great match up and the tigers are playing superb football. It could be one of the games of the year between two genuine premiership contenders.

The Broncos are playing atrocius football and it is a battle between two teams struggling to make the eight. There are also far more tigers fan in pretty much all of NSW than either of these two clubs (in fact more than msot clubs).
 

IanG

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Also with the new deal they get rid of this bullsh*t of the delayed Friday Night game cant be broadcast on radio
 

ParraEelsNRL

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I wish they'd remove the second Friday night game and put it on a Saturday or Sunday live instead.

The ratings they'd get showing that game at a decent time would defiantly be worth it.

RL got better ratings last year than the AFL and it looks like doing it again this year, yet we really only get 2 FTA games shown at decent times and 1 of them is delayed on a Sunday.

Put the second Friday game on Saturday night and stop letting the AFL and RU (tests) having a free hit every week into the RL heartlands.
 

chrisc101

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I wish they'd remove the second Friday night game and put it on a Saturday or Sunday live instead.

The ratings they'd get showing that game at a decent time would defiantly be worth it.

RL got better ratings last year than the AFL and it looks like doing it again this year, yet we really only get 2 FTA games shown at decent times and 1 of them is delayed on a Sunday.

Put the second Friday game on Saturday night and stop letting the AFL and RU (tests) having a free hit every week into the RL heartlands.

Ummm..no. Friday is the biggest tv audience of the week, therefore having one NSW centric game and one QLD centric game ensures maximum tv ratings. Moving one of them to another time slot would kill the ratings.

And secondly alot of people like a second game, while most don't watch the whole thing is not really the point.
 

bobmar28

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I wish they'd remove the second Friday night game and put it on a Saturday or Sunday live instead.

The ratings they'd get showing that game at a decent time would defiantly be worth it.

RL got better ratings last year than the AFL and it looks like doing it again this year, yet we really only get 2 FTA games shown at decent times and 1 of them is delayed on a Sunday.

Put the second Friday game on Saturday night and stop letting the AFL and RU (tests) having a free hit every week into the RL heartlands.

We really need something for Saturdays with the choice of only AFL or RU and sometimes V8 supercars but no league. The two Friday games are needed because one is for the Queenslanders.
 
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I wish they'd remove the second Friday night game and put it on a Saturday or Sunday live instead.

The ratings they'd get showing that game at a decent time would defiantly be worth it.

RL got better ratings last year than the AFL and it looks like doing it again this year, yet we really only get 2 FTA games shown at decent times and 1 of them is delayed on a Sunday.

Put the second Friday game on Saturday night and stop letting the AFL and RU (tests) having a free hit every week into the RL heartlands.
Simple solution....keep the two Fri games & hopefully one of the bidders buys one of the Sat games....
Fox..5.30 game.Live
Ch7.? 7.30.live...
Fox..9.30.replay.of other 7.30 game.

Still super Sat...but with one FTA channel
I would watch all three ...like i do now.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-siphoning-rules/story-e6frg8zx-1225916782559

Foxtel presses for relaxation of anti-siphoning rules

* James Chessell
* From: The Australian
* September 10, 2010 12:00AM

FOXTEL has called on the Gillard government to shorten the anti-siphoning list of sport protected for free-to-air television.

It is also seeking a review of media regulation.

The pay-television operator yesterday urged Labor to shorten the anti-siphoning list of more than 1300 sporting events to "those events the terrestrial networks actually broadcast, as this will ensure more live sport on television, better funded sports codes and money for grassroots development".

Television networks and sporting bodies will be closely watching Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, who is expected to announce changes to the list in coming weeks.

The new anti-siphoning framework will give the two main football codes, the AFL and NRL, more certainty while they negotiate broadcast deals that could be worth as much as $2 billion combined.

There is speculation the federal government could allow Foxtel to bid directly for some AFL and NRL games -- which are presently protected -- while the free-to-air networks would be permitted to show protected sport on their multichannels.

Network Ten chief executive Grant Blackley said the rules that "ensure key sporting events continue to be made available for everyone to view for free are vital for consumers".

"The requirements to keep major sport free will be equally relevant when Australia completes its switchover to digital TV in 2013 and the full suite of free digital channels will be available to all," he said. "In a post-switchover world, it follows that they should be applicable across the free-to-air platform."

Senator Conroy has also flagged a review of media laws to take into account the "convergent media era" and the construction of the National Broadband Network.

Foxtel is 25 per cent owned by News Limited, publisher of The Australian.

The current settings were outdated and needed updating "given developments in the digital economy and the coming rollout of the NBN", Foxtel said.
 

BLKOUT!

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Whoever gets them better make use of their stupid extra digital channels and stop screwing everyone in the country not living in NSW or QLD over. If a game is on 7:30 in NSW and you want to put Better Homes & Gardens or some sh*t on at 7:30 on 9 in Victoria then put the bloody NRL on your other digital channel. Drives me insane.
 

docbrown

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Ummm..no. Friday is the biggest tv audience of the week, therefore having one NSW centric game and one QLD centric game ensures maximum tv ratings. Moving one of them to another time slot would kill the ratings.

And secondly alot of people like a second game, while most don't watch the whole thing is not really the point.

Correct.

The other thing that can happen is that both games can be played live at 7:30pm - one on FTA and one on FTA digital - then at 9:30pm they swap over. Whilst the main network's rating would drop, they would actually increase over the 2 channels (which the yearly ratings are based on) as more people tune in at 7:30pm. at 9:30pm there would still be a drop off but there will be more lead in viewers - so ultimately over the 4 hour block nationally viewers would increase by a couple of hundred thousand. It would also boost the $$$ value for ads in the 7:30pm block as 1.5million people would be watching.

As for Sundays, if there is a regular 3rd sunday game and a 4th Queensland team, you could play two FTA games back to back from 1:30/2pm to 6pm. You'd have 2 sets of 1,000,000+ viewers over the 4 hours.

Having a QLD team always play on both Friday & Sunday (2 teams out of 8 on FTA) boosts ratings by 150,000 - 200,000.
 
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Ummm..no. Friday is the biggest tv audience of the week, therefore having one NSW centric game and one QLD centric game ensures maximum tv ratings. Moving one of them to another time slot would kill the ratings.

And secondly alot of people like a second game, while most don't watch the whole thing is not really the point.

That is a good formula but they seemed to go away from it this year, maybe contributed to the ratings drop in qld
 

El Diablo

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...rl-to-big-league/story-e6frepbf-1225926362884

TV deal will vault NRL to big league

* by Robert Craddock
* From: The Courier-Mail
* September 20, 2010 12:01AM

RUGBY league is about to be saved by Santa Claus in a suit and tie.

League boss David Gallop normally cringes when he hears speculation about off-field brawls in his game. Not this time.

Gallop's heart is bursting with pride and anticipation of the massive showdown brewing between all major television networks over rights for the code's next long-term television deal likely to be clinched within eight months.

That the AFL rights are also up for grabs thickens the plot because it puts Australia's two biggest codes and all major networks into one giant melting pot. Rugby league's television deal is worth about $500 million over six years.

It was hailed as a major breakthrough for the code when it was clinched in July, 2005. But when the AFL landed a $780 million deal over five years a few months later, league felt like a man who was thrilled about unveiling his new Commodore – until his neighbour popped in driving the latest Ferrari.

It's remarkable that although a report suggested league's ratings were down 6 per cent and the AFL's 10 per cent this year, both deals are set to skyrocket. The AFL will ask for close to $1 billion with new teams from the Gold Coast and Western Sydney providing an extra game each week.

League's price is likely to vault to more than $850 million, a godsend for a code in which only four of 16 clubs showed a profit last year. "It is going to mean we are going to be able to increase the grants to the clubs, the salary cap will go up, we will increase our investment in junior development and get our clubs in a more robust financial position," Gallop said.

League's problem last time was there was no serious competition for their product. The AFL, by contrast, had Channel 9's Kerry Packer signing off on a huge offer days before his death. There was speculation Packer's declining health made him more cavalier than he would normally have been but, whatever his motive, his actions were a precious parting gift to the AFL.

Channel 7 and Foxtel got the rights after matching Packer's offer but his huge bid meant they paid far more than they originally intended to. The consensus was that league was cheap last time and the AFL overpriced.

But this time league is sitting pretty. Seven and Ten are circling and are desperate for a slice of the action. As far back as February, Gallop was spotted discussing rights over dinner with Seven's boss, David Leckie, at the Centennial Hotel in Sydney's east, while a five-minute drive away AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou was discussing AFL rights – which also expire next year – with David Gyngell.

Seven, which already shares the major AFL rights with Ten and Fox Sports, is preparing for a major tilt.

"We haven't even flexed our muscles yet," Leckie said recently.

The well-respected Gallop is a man who chooses his words carefully. His inner emotions are also kept on a tight leash. But the prospect of a mega rights deal has him excited.

"We are literally champing at the bit to negotiate our rights," Gallop said. "We are in a great position because we are riding a quality competition and the game has never been better."

League is the most-watched sport on Australian television, with an aggregate audience of 128.5 million viewers last year. Rugby league executives argue that if they draw about the same number of viewers as the AFL annually – both float between 120 million and 130 million – they should get the same-sized rights.

There is a strong chance there will be not so much a winner and loser in the league rights but a major winner and a series of consolation prizes with Seven possibly snatching the State of Origin series or a key timeslot.

"We could split it up," Gallop said. "We are in a position where all of our rights are coming up at the same time. Previously we have sold the garage and the house on different days. Now we can sell the whole property together, we might split it up along competition or timeslot lines.

"It may help us financially and also make sure the game is broadcast as widely as possible."

The pressure is squarely on NRL administrators to land a five-star deal. South Sydney part-owner Russell Crowe feels league sold itself too cheaply last time.

"I just don't think the game is balanced correctly with how the money the game can generate is divided," Crowe said. "The TV deal we have is based on the figures of who watches the game. I don't think it's fair in comparison to what AFL can generate or other sports.

"We've got the greatest TV game but we're in the situation where we're the poor cousin when it comes to money and that's not good."

This time Russell can breathe easily, because within a year league will clinch a deal that will be something to crow about.
 
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