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The TV rights thread

Who would you like to see get the rights providing the price is right?

  • Seven

    Votes: 57 20.5%
  • Nine

    Votes: 49 17.6%
  • Ten

    Votes: 110 39.6%
  • Rights split between FTA channels

    Votes: 147 52.9%

  • Total voters
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Brutus

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I'm just a tad concerned with the proposed IC, with all this power to the clubs.

I realise the QRL mob are probably only interested in protecting their blazers.

This whole thing is not progressing as we all hoped. News LTD cannot be allowed to have all those benefits.

I agree, f**k Ribot.
 

Dogs Of War

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I'm just a tad concerned with the proposed IC, with all this power to the clubs.

The whole idea is to take the power away from any vested interest. Yes the clubs have a say who is on the board, but that's it. What the IC chooses is what matters. The shakeup the game will experience will give the game direction if the right people are put in place. I think the key word is independent.
 

Paul J

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Many media reports have suggested the NRL can earn around $1 billion for their next TV broadcast deal starting in 2013. Is this a shoe in or pie in the sky? It is impossible to know this early but here is a look at some TV ratings for 2010 and some ideas on how close the NRL may get.

FTA – Capital Cities

The AFL currently wins capital city ratings due to far more content shown in more cities on more channels. The AFL also has picks 1,2,3 & 4 on FTA while the NRL has picks 1,2 & 5.

Channel Nine has a rolling schedule where they set the NRL fixtures 6 weeks in advance and the AFL has a fixed season schedule. The NRL have suggested they will be changing to a fixed season schedule from 2013.

One factor for broadcasters is that an AFL game provides 60 mins of ads in a 3 hour program, an NRL game provides 40 mins of ads in a 2 hour program. However this shows volume of ads, not how much those ads are worth.

The FTA networks make 1.41 times more advertising revenue from Sydney & Brisbane than they do from Melbourne, Perth & Adelaide.

The following figures are for the first 8 full rounds of the NRL & AFL in 2010 (before the NRL brings in the split round period due to the test match and State of Origin).

NRL
Sydney 24 games shown on Nine, avg audience 330K.
Brisbane 24 games shown on Nine, avg audience 196K.
Melbourne 15 games shown on Nine, avg audience 18K (Midnight coverage).

AFL
Melbourne 48 games shown on Seven, Ten, 7Two & One HD, avg audience 223K.
Perth 51 games shown on Seven, Ten, 7Two & One HD, avg audience 95K.
Adelaide 50 games shown on Seven, Ten, 7Two & One HD, avg audience 77K.
Sydney 45 games shown on Seven, Ten, 7Two & One HD, avg audience 28K.
Brisbane 49 games shown on Seven, Ten, 7Two & One HD, avg audience 35K.

The NRL has a higher average in Sydney than the AFL in Melbourne and the NRL has a higher average in Brisbane than the AFL in Perth & Adelaide.

The NRL has less content on FTA as they offered their product to only one network with their current broadcast deal and allowed channel Nine to market rugby league in Melbourne. This should be rectified with the next deal.

FTA – Regionals

The first area that the NRL dominates is FTA regionals, for the obvious reason that there are 5 million people living in regional NSW & Qld and 2.57 million people living in regional Vic, WA, SA & all of Tasmania.

Regional figures are difficult for your average sports fan to find however the networks, Foxtel, NRL & AFL are well aware of the exact figures.

An idea of their importance can be seen with Game 1 of State of Origin this year. FTA capital city ratings were 2.45 million, but when you put in the regional figures the game rated 3.6 million, that’s an extra 1.15 million people from the regionals.

The FTA networks make a staggering 2.2 times more advertising revenue from regional NSW & Qld than from regional Vic, WA, SA, & all of Tasmania and the NT.

The AFL currently has only one team outside of the 5 mainland capital cities in the Geelong Cats (soon to be 2 with the Gold Coast joining the AFL in 2011) while the NRL already has 4 with the North Qld Cowboys, Gold Coast Titans, Canberra Raiders & the Newcastle Knights as well as current strong bids from Central Qld & Central Coast.

The regional figures are such a strong factor for the NRL that David Gallop has suggested the NRL may sell their product separately to the regionals. For example, sell to Channel Nine and then separately to WIN/NBN.

Foxtel

The NRL dominates Foxtel due to higher ratings, more content & Foxtel’s greatest market penetration being in NSW & Qld. The NRL has picks 3,4,6,7 & 8 on Fox sports and the AFL has picks 5,6,7 & 8.

The NRL had 40 games on Foxtel, avg audience 205K
The AFL had 32 games on Foxtel, avg audience 159K

The NRL has 44 of the top 94 shows on Foxtel so far this year, the AFL has only 20. The NRL has 6 of the top 10 this year, the AFL has none.

Unlike FTA, Foxtel does not rely solely on ad’s to generate revenue but is a pay TV network. This means that due to the NRL’s higher ratings, more people pay an $80 per month subscription fee to Foxtel to watch NRL games than are paying the same fee to watch AFL games.

Despite this the AFL are believed to have received $225 million out of their last $780 million broadcast deal from Foxtel, a significantly larger amount than the NRL received.

Without the conflict of interest of News Ltd's ownership in the NRL selling rugby league to News Ltd owned Fox Sports next time around, it is reasonable to expect the higher rating NRL to have a value of at least $300 million when the new NRL deal starts in 2013, (this is being conservative as it would be only $75 million more than the AFL received 6 years earlier). The NRL only need to get twice the amount from the FTA networks than from this pay TV figure to have made $900 million already.

The AFL has stopped its negotiations with the networks until the decision regarding the anti siphoning laws is handed down. This may allow Foxtel to bid directly against the networks for some of the top rated NRL & AFL games. With its superior ratings the NRL will expect a bigger slice of the Foxtel pie than what the AFL will get.

New Zealand

The NRL currently receive $12 million per year from SKY TV to broadcast NRL games into New Zealand. If a more productive set of negotiations - factoring in inflation - can bring a 50% increase six years later with the new broadcast deal, this would give the NRL $90 million in a 5 year deal.

Media Predictions

Channel Seven have already stated they will be bidding on the NRL. One suggestion is that they will bid for State of Origin and Internationals.

State of Origin is a no brainer with Game 1 in 2010 reaching a peak national audience of 4.2 million, phenomenal ratings for 3 mid week, mid season games.
The Anzac test match this year rated an impressive 1.239 million viewers (1.826 million including regionals). Channel Nine’s lethargy in promoting international rugby league could be revamped through Seven if they see potential for the annual Anzac Test and a re-working of the end of season Tri-Nations, Four Nations or World Cup formats.

Channel Ten have also already stated they will be bidding on the NRL. It is suggested they are after a Saturday night NRL fixture at the expense of their current Saturday night AFL games. How realistic is this?

The average audience Ten received from the AFL is:
Melbourne 259K
Perth 101K
Adelaide 80K
Sydney 43K
Brisbane 56K

There is currently a sporting black hole in Sydney on Saturday night but the average audience for the 3 NRL games is:
Sydney 330K
Brisbane 196K
Melbourne 18K (Midnight coverage).

Considering the value of ad’s in NSW & Qld it is very possible Channel 10 would drop the Swans for NRL content in the northern states with prime time Storm games in Melbourne which would most likely equal or beat the Swans current ratings in Sydney.
 

applesauce

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Post that on BF haha & see the reaction.

Great post though makes be feel confident about our game in the next TV deal. Also shows what a c**k up was made ast time around the negotiation table. Too bad i don't feel as confident in our admin to deliver it this time around.... :(
 

Brutus

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Nice post.

I have the same fears as applesauce. IC or not - we are going to get f**ked over while ever News LTD is throwing its considerable weight around. All this first and last rights garbage is a worry.
 
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great post paul j

enjoyable.

I guess that is the kind of brief the networks and the nrl are looking at around now.

they may have access to more figures of course.

I can see rl getting close to 1b when you look at briefs like yours and whats in the paper. the x factor is news ltd involvement. its just that I see news ltd have less places to hide this time....i do not believe they are going to doctor the money as much like they have in the past. consider also that every network at this stage is involving themselves in getting some nrl action on their screens
 

Smiley

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AFL facing a fight for the big TV bucks
Jon Pierik
Written on Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:39

To television executives and their sports directors, filming the National Rugby League as a sport is akin to "shooting fish in a bucket’’.

Where the wide expanses of an AFL field and its nuances and tactics are almost impossible to capture fully on film, that’s not the case in rugby league.

‘‘It’s like shooting fish in a bucket from a television perspective,’’ said one Sydney-based television executive.

‘‘It’s a square ground, all players running in the one direction, easy to capture on camera, very few shots required.

‘‘The crowds may not be as great but it's a great TV sport.’’

This is one reason why the AFL, perhaps to the surprise of its army of followers in southern Australia, could find itself in a major fight when discussions over the new broadcasting rights deal intensify when the Federal Government releases its revised anti-siphoning list.

The AFL hopes to reap $1 billion in its next five-year deal, beginning 2012.

Media experts such as Harold Mitchell believe that figure could even be surpassed, for the previous deal was already $780 million.
Network insiders, however, aren’t so sure.

The NRL rights will soon also be up for grabs, with league boss David Gallop hopeful of doubling the current $100 million-a-year contract split between Fox Sports, Nine and New Zealand’s Sky TV.

Gallop plans to do this by perhaps selling off the high-rating State-of-Origin series from Channel Nine, or following the AFL system and having the club competition shown on different free-to-air networks.

In the meantime, Nine’s Melbourne boss Jeff Browne has signalled the station’s intent to reclaim a piece of the AFL pie, despite the likelihood of the network needing to splash out even more to retain the NRL rights.

According to television insiders, if push came to shove, Nine would take the NRL over the AFL.

And here’s one reason why that keeps resurfacing.

Seven’s decision to go live last Friday night with the AFL grand-final rematch between Geelong and St Kilda attracted 638,000 viewers nationally.

According to tvtonight.com.au, this consisted of: Melbourne (410,000), Adelaide (110,000), Perth (92,000), Brisbane (18,000) and Sydney (8,000).

As reported in Melbourne's The Sunday Age, Seven's Melbourne boss Lewis Martin said there were "raised eyebrows" at the network at the modest figures from the AFL's heartland.

The suggestion from this was there may have to be a pull-back in a public push for live Friday-night matches.

By contrast, the Friday-night NRL clash on Nine between West Tigers and the Dragons attracted 611,000 combined prime-time viewers alone in Sydney (363,000) and Brisbane (248,000).

At least the AFL this week could take some heart from defeating rugby league.

A close look at recent figures reinforce the challenge awaiting the AFL as it seeks to convert the Gold Coast and western Sydney into strongholds with its two expansion clubs.

A little over a week ago 690,000 Friday-night viewers tuned in from Sydney and Brisbane alone to watch the Penrith Panthers demolish the Brisbane Broncos 22-12 and the Gold Coast Titans hang on for a 25-24 win over the Canterbury Bulldogs in an experimental double-header at Queensland’s Suncorp Stadium.

Meanwhile, the clash between Hawthorn and Essendon, one of the best this season featuring three spectacular Lance Franklin goals, attracted a national audience on Seven of just 580,000.

This consisted of Melbourne (370,000), Adelaide (105,000), Perth (90,000), Sydney (10,000) and Brisbane (6,000).

It’s a theme that has been replayed throughout the season.

A week earlier, North Melbourne’s much-hyped clash against Carlton attracted 529,000 viewers, while the NRL had 661,000 in Sydney and Brisbane alone tune in to witness the Titans thump the Manly Sea Eagles from Skilled Park.

A week earlier, Richmond’s clash against St Kilda attracted 581,000 nationally, while the NRL drew 684,000 viewers.

‘‘We look at those numbers. We love the AFL but we have to say, the numbers are what the numbers are,’’ said one network executive rather pointedly.

Mitchell, who has advised the AFL in several broadcast rights negotiations, says the figures show why the AFL's bid to conquer the northern states must be a long-term project.

"It continues to be the challenge but one they are up to," he said.

"Eventually the very successful sports will be totally national and the AFL is leaving no stone unturned to get there.

"No sport has an even number around the country so they have to keep working on their weaknesses.

''It's the same with rugby union and league in the southern states."

So enticing have the NRL rights become in Sydney that Network Ten, through its free-to-air network and One HD, and Seven will also make a pitch in the next round of bidding.

Ten’s sports boss David White has refused to comment on his network’s bid, although NRL boss David Gallop confirmed in March a preliminary meeting had taken place.

Mitchell said he wasn't surprised Ten was now in the running.

"They can't risk not being involved which is why they will bid aggressively," he said.

"Live sport is such a valuable commodity."

Ten has not broadcast league since the early 1990s.

That it now wants to re-enter the fray, having endured, for the most part, years of terrible AFL ratings in Sydney with live Swans matches, suggests it’s ‘‘game on’’ between the country’s two leading winter codes.

Of the 602,000 viewers who tuned in to Saturday's night live stand-alone showcase clash between the Swans and Collingwood at ANZ Stadium, just 59,000 viewers were from the harbour city.

"As I said, it has to be a long-term plan for the AFL,'' Mitchell said.
Just how long is anyone's guess.

http://www.backpagelead.com.au/afl/1754-afl-facing-a-fight-for-the-big-tv-
Interesting read.
 

Dragonwest

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http://www.backpagelead.com.au/afl/1754-afl-facing-a-fight-for-the-big-tv-

Some very positive numbers for league in there. Sydney n Brisbane AFL ratings are pathetic!!!! I was always of the belief the ping pong still had us on free to air???

Sydney are only getting 8-10 thousand viewers per game!

My question is; If the Perth Reds are re-entered into the competition in 2013 and the NRL is shown live, how long would it take for Perth's League rating to surpass Sydney's AFL ratings? Remembering there are a lot of Kiwis and East Coast ex-pats living over here!

That would be a massive blow to the AFL ego-driven machine!
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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After reading that, I wonder why we cant get $200million per year.

Attractive TV product, dominance on FTA and PayTV on the east coast. Strong interest in Melbourne, new audience in Perth (assuming the Reds are in) and then of course there is New Zealand.

The numbers dont lie. We have the better product to sell on TV.
 

Coaster

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I posted this on the fight club board but it's relevant here also:
IMO there is a serious issue regarding the NRL, and Nine in Victoria, when considering the Anti siphoning laws, and the recent vote regarding Keep Sport Free campaign.

The “Keep it Free” Website states:

What is the antisiphoning list?
The anti-siphoning list is a list of major sporting events that the Parliament of Australia has decided must be available for all Australians to see free of charge and cannot be “siphoned” off to pay TV where people are forced to pay to see them.

What is the “use it or lose it” scheme?
The previous Federal Government introduced the concept of “use it or lose it” rules for sports on the anti-siphoning list in 2007 to ensure that broadcasters are showing the events they acquire and that listed sports are not being “hoarded”.

http://www.keepsportfree.com.au/Cont...mon/pg-FAQ.seo


Is channel Nine “Hording” the NRL in Victoria? The question may not be so simple,
I mean why would channel nine that has paid the rights for the NRL hamstring the growth of the sport in Victoria, you would think that it would be in the best interests for the Channel to promote something like State of Origin a clear rating winner, against something like “Hey Hey its Saturday” which is clearly in the wrong timeslot on a Wednesday.

The answer IMO is Nine losing the AFL rights to seven and Ten, in the year 2000 channel Seven denied access to footage of the AFL in Melbourne to Nine, this was not a good result for either the AFL or Nine. So between the years 2002 and 2006 both parties reshuffled there executives using the in between business called Austereo, the CEO of Nine at the time Eddie McGuire made sure of his results.

“Austereo Group Ltd is one of Australia's most progressive and exciting entertainment based media companies. Reaching over 4.5 million Australian's weekly, Austereo delivers a combination of traditional and new media platforms on which to communicate with our audience.

The company operates three national radio networks; Today and Triple M, with stations in all mainland Australian state capital cities along with two leading joint venture stations in Newcastle and Canberra”

http://www.austereo.com.au/index.php...d=12&Itemid=33

The main change in staff was Ben Amarfio at the time he was the second in charge at the AFL, he joined the Austereo firm in 2006, from the Austereo website his Bio reads:

Ben joined Austereo as General Manager Melbourne in February 2007.He has over 20 years experience in Media/Advertising, Marketing and the Sports & Entertainment industries.
Previously Ben was Broadcasting, Publishing & Digital Media Manager of the Australian Football League (AFL), heading up their Broadcasting operations, Commercial Media Assets and Relationships.

http://www.austereo.com.au/index.php...d=14&Itemid=36


Fox sports wrote in 2006 :

“THE AFL has lost a second key employee, with Ben Amarfio leaving to head up Austereo.

Amarfio, crucial in the AFL's record TV, radio and internet deals, will begin in February as general manager of Austereo Melbourne.

The role, which places him in charge of FM stations Triple M and Fox, was held by Gary Pert, who vacated it for the head position at Channel 9 Melbourne.”

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,...-23211,00.html

Of course Gary Pert the bloke he took the spot of, went on to take a position at Nine, an article on him wrote :


“IN THE corridor outside Gary Pert's office, there are large photos of Dermott Brereton oiled up and stripped to his shorts, Jason Dunstall dressed as a native American Indian (complete with feather headdress), and Brian Taylor wielding a chainsaw. All good boys-own fun, and despite the presence in other photos of Jo Stanley, Fifi Box and Robyn Butler (all clothed), it's an affirmation of the testosterone-fuelled and occasionally brutal world of FM radio that Pert is leaving.

He's an ex-footballer, but more evolved than a Brendan Fevola type. Pert's headlocks, were they put on you, would be verbal, and would rise out of his boyish, clean-cut charm. Pert is the very model of a well-spoken, fresh-faced young tyro, a sharp-eyed business type comfortable with phrases such as "key driver" and "targeting the right communities".

But he's no bloodless executive. Pert's CV is augmented by a huge credit in football-mad Melbourne: he was a loved player for Fitzroy (he followed in the footsteps of his father, Brian), for 10 years a favourite son of a struggling club that the AFL in 1996 chose to kill rather than help. At 41, Pert is young to be part of history. And smart enough to know there is life after football.

While still playing, Pert cannily developed a career in media sales — starting at Channel Ten and joining the Austereo Radio Network 13 years ago, the parent company of Triple M and Fox FM, in sales. He rose to general manager in 2002.

Now he's winding up his radio career and jumping to television (he starts as head of Melbourne's GTV Nine on December 4”

http://www.knowfirst.info/forums/showthread.php?t=21323

Eddie McGuire of course we all know is the President of the Collingwood Football club, he retired as CEO of Nine, but still holds a position and he is also current host of Channel Nine program Hot Seat. McGuire is also the host of The Hot Breakfast With Eddie McGuire on Triple M Melbourne owned by “Austereo”.

The show McGuire is most famous for is the Channel Nine AFL Footy Show, which is now run by Garry Lyon and the North Melbourne Football Club Chairman James Brayshaw, both are also employed by “Austereo” and have there own show called “Friday Night M Sport”.

So the main question I ask is how did a station that could not get even clips of AFL from there rival stations, turn this around in such a short time, to not only get clips, but be able to get the so called “Stars” of the game to appear on there rival footy shows, week after week.

Is it a coincidence that Austereo the only FM station in Melbourne with the right to broadcast AFL, employs half of Melbourne Nine employees?

Would it be unreasonable to think that if a deal was done between a station that did not purchase the rights to a sport to have such access to its players, management, and officials, it would in return “BLOCK” or not show any program that may be against the best interests of the AFL?

If “Hey Hey its Saturday” rates so highly, why would they not put it on a Saturday, unless of course it was against a program they did not want to diminish the rating of?

And finally if any of these serious issues are exactly as they seem, do they not as a broadcaster break the law of “Use it or Lose it”?
 

Billythekid

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After reading that, I wonder why we cant get $200million per year.

Attractive TV product, dominance on FTA and PayTV on the east coast. Strong interest in Melbourne, new audience in Perth (assuming the Reds are in) and then of course there is New Zealand.

The numbers dont lie. We have the better product to sell on TV.

Not to mention possibly our biggest advantage over AFL which is SOO. Three extra games a year that rate like a GF.

There is also our International game which is growing.
 

Benchwarmer

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One thing Rugby League has in its favor is Melbourne love all kinds of sport
Doesnt matter what it is people will pay attention
Also our game is a much better TV product and thats why our crowds are down compared to other codes
But that's exactly why we deserve more $$$$ in the next deal
Virtual crowds can help 2 and it was good to hear about forward thinking like that
 

Bman26

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Not sure what's been said in this thread, not going to read the 30+ pages.

Old man was at dinner with a CH7 employee, who said to him "*bosses name* has more money than god and will get the NRL rights."
 

Benchwarmer

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Not sure what's been said in this thread, not going to read the 30+ pages.

Old man was at dinner with a CH7 employee, who said to him "*bosses name* has more money than god and will get the NRL rights."

take that to the toilet afgan
 

Cletus

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Not sure what's been said in this thread, not going to read the 30+ pages.

Old man was at dinner with a CH7 employee, who said to him "*bosses name* has more money than god and will get the NRL rights."


Trouble is they'll be paying off Catapiller's pile of debt.
 

Perth Red

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My question is; If the Perth Reds are re-entered into the competition in 2013 and the NRL is shown live, how long would it take for Perth's League rating to surpass Sydney's AFL ratings? Remembering there are a lot of Kiwis and East Coast ex-pats living over here!

That would be a massive blow to the AFL ego-driven machine!

we already do! We get 10-12k at 1am on a Saturday morning, we were getting 25-20k when they showed it at 2pm Sunday last season and get 70K+ for SOO and finals when shown at a decent time.:lol:

I would expect WA to be able to deliver 50-100K at a decent time with a team and renewed interest in RL in the West. Add in Vic and SA and we should be easily topping 250k on top of those figures if the game was shown at a decent time in every capital city.
 

Dragonwest

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Perth Red, do you have any links to Perth NRL ratings in the past?????

I love emailing ratings to my Perth mates to deflate their ego's!
 

Perth Red

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I'll see if I can dig them out, I know I had them as I sent a letter to CH9 Perth proving that NRL was outrating what they had taken it off to show on a Sunday (Wrestling)
 
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