This new stadium for Sydney better not be multi-purpose

[Raiders_Premiers]

We've got to work with what we've got.

I think Homebush is fine, the Commission just has to strongly advocate for it's proposed 200+ million upgrade.

Then we've got the whole Moore Park precinct getting revamped, with the SFS getting a roof, the entire place being better accessed by transport, etc

After than we only really need a 45-55k stadium in a central location with stuff to do before and after a game. The site of Parramatta Stadium preferably, if it's possible. A stadium in the middle of no where will just be a massive white elephant IMO.

A smaller, updated version of the San Siro please

The fans need to be right on top of the play

 

[Generalzod]

Terry Kennedy on Sky Sports Radio reckons he has it on good authority that the proposed new stadium in western Sydney will either be in Penrith or Liverpool and it will be multi-purpose, allowing GWS to play home games there.

My question: how many stadiums does this GWS mob want?

It will be an utter disgrace if this stadium is not rectangular in the mould of Suncorp Stadium.

Terry Kennedy lol ,what the f**k will that douche bag know...

 

[flamin]

The only way i can imagine Leichhardt being saved long term is if the tigers moved there operation there and used it as a home base, training field, ect. If they end up getting a stadium in Liverpool, they could structure it like the dogs and rabbits do with Redfern and Belmore, and maybe play a few games there each year.
The only problem is training at Leichhardt might look too much like they're Balmain again, but its the only way the field will ever get any real investment.

That would be ideal for Leichhardt's future, or any suburban ground that fell by the wayside. The tribal aspect of the game can still be maintained when clubs move to larger venues.

Does anyone think that Bulldogs fans aren't tribal despite using a ground that serves so many other tenants? Has their support been adversely affected by going to ANZ? On the contrary they attract the biggest crowds in the city and have a large membership base. And the same goes for the Rabbitohs. Both clubs don't play at their "spiritual home" but maintain old links to ensure the past is protected along with a successful future.

 

[flamin]

Sure there is.
It's called demolition and rebuild.
If it's good enough for Masterton Homes, it's good enough for the the NRL.

Just a little fantasy thrown out there for people's consumption.

Well there's no real point to a multi-purpose ground at Homebush now that cricket and AFL can have Skoda. But surely just the cost of demolishing most of ANZ for a rebuild would be huge. Are there any precedents with other massive stadiums around the world?

 

[CC_Roosters]

Terry Kennedy lol ,what the f**k will that douche bag know...

I didn't hear the whole segment but I think he bagged gws Canberra giants about them playing in Canberra and having skoda upgraded with anz next door

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

ok, i admit this is probably a bit too crazy but...

If they changed the field at ANZ to run east-west and rebuilt the north and south ends much further foward to be the main grandstands, that would fix most of the viewing problems. In the oval formation, the field is about 130m east-west, which i think is pretty similar to brooky and Liechhardt, and the gradient of these would be mush steeper with the lower stand retracted. Then if they brought the north and south stands forward to the tunnels, i think that a bit over 90m, which is pretty standard for a good stadium.

I know the sun would become a problem, but if they built the new stands with a retractable roof it could be a really good stadium.

just an idea...

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

That would be ideal for Leichhardt's future, or any suburban ground that fell by the wayside. The tribal aspect of the game can still be maintained when clubs move to larger venues.

Does anyone think that Bulldogs fans aren't tribal despite using a ground that serves so many other tenants? Has their support been adversely affected by going to ANZ? On the contrary they attract the biggest crowds in the city and have a large membership base. And the same goes for the Rabbitohs. Both clubs don't play at their "spiritual home" but maintain old links to ensure the past is protected along with a successful future.

It's always seemed strange to me that people can say that centralised stadiums would never work in sydney ..... well except for the Bulldogs .... and Souths .... but other then that....

 

[Perth Red]

ok, i admit this is probably a bit too crazy but...

If they changed the field at ANZ to run east-west and rebuilt the north and south ends much further foward to be the main grandstands, that would fix most of the viewing problems. In the oval formation, the field is about 130m east-west, which i think is pretty similar to brooky and Liechhardt, and the gradient of these would be mush steeper with the lower stand retracted. Then if they brought the north and south stands forward to the tunnels, i think that a bit over 90m, which is pretty standard for a good stadium.

I know the sun would become a problem, but if they built the new stands with a retractable roof it could be a really good stadium.

just an idea...

A$750 mill good idea!

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

A$750 mill good idea!

Yeah, it'd be a bitch to pay for, but its they only way i can imagine ANZ actually being a good stadium.

 

[franklin2323]

Threads like this are priceless. This new stadium will be 40k? So crowds under 30k will be terrible atmosphere. Only 2 teams draw that for Penrith Tigers, Parra. So the rest won't be worth moving. Centrebet holds 21,500.

The Parra game was just under 15 & still had no lines for toilets etc. 18k prob where it's starts being an issue. Fix the pricing no reason 15k can't be minimum at Centrebet.

The area is growing to crazy levels. Though many will support other teams & just bring that to a new postcode. The kids are where we can get support from though clearly that will take time.

Until then our 21,500 seater is more then adequate. Especially if we keep getting home games against Titans & Storm that pull poor crowds.

 

[Perth Red]

Got to look at cost v size.a30-35k is going to cost around $300mill. Move up to 45-50k and you can double it. A good club size ground for Sydney is 30-35k, very little chance that the capacity will be stretched very often, 15k will still look ok in it and nothing wrong with the odd sell out to motivate fans to become members.

 

[flamin]

Threads like this are priceless. This new stadium will be 40k? So crowds under 30k will be terrible atmosphere. Only 2 teams draw that for Penrith Tigers, Parra. So the rest won't be worth moving. Centrebet holds 21,500.

The Parra game was just under 15 & still had no lines for toilets etc. 18k prob where it's starts being an issue. Fix the pricing no reason 15k can't be minimum at Centrebet.

The area is growing to crazy levels. Though many will support other teams & just bring that to a new postcode. The kids are where we can get support from though clearly that will take time.

Until then our 21,500 seater is more then adequate. Especially if we keep getting home games against Titans & Storm that pull poor crowds.

This thread isn't about what has to happen right now; it's about what needs to happen in the long term. In the long term 20k isn't big enough.

It's going to take at least a decade for any new stadium to come into effect anyway so planning would have to happen over the next few years.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Threads like this are priceless. This new stadium will be 40k? So crowds under 30k will be terrible atmosphere. Only 2 teams draw that for Penrith Tigers, Parra. So the rest won't be worth moving. Centrebet holds 21,500.

The Parra game was just under 15 & still had no lines for toilets etc. 18k prob where it's starts being an issue. Fix the pricing no reason 15k can't be minimum at Centrebet.

The area is growing to crazy levels. Though many will support other teams & just bring that to a new postcode. The kids are where we can get support from though clearly that will take time.

Until then our 21,500 seater is more then adequate. Especially if we keep getting home games against Titans & Storm that pull poor crowds.

The problem with suburban ground is exactly that, they are grounds in a suburban area. They're not designed to have masses of people showing up all at once.
Say what you want about ANZ but the place is designed to have 100,000 people at any one time.
Then you look at places like Brooky. Once you get more than 5,000 people, all thats left is street parking or paying some random person to let you park in their driveway.
Low capacities and shiitty amenities are not the only reasons people dont show up.

 

[JonnoM]

ok, i admit this is probably a bit too crazy but...

If they changed the field at ANZ to run east-west and rebuilt the north and south ends much further foward to be the main grandstands, that would fix most of the viewing problems. In the oval formation, the field is about 130m east-west, which i think is pretty similar to brooky and Liechhardt, and the gradient of these would be mush steeper with the lower stand retracted. Then if they brought the north and south stands forward to the tunnels, i think that a bit over 90m, which is pretty standard for a good stadium.

I know the sun would become a problem, but if they built the new stands with a retractable roof it could be a really good stadium.

just an idea...

It would cost a mint to do this.they would be better offvpulling it down,which I guarrantee,wont happen for many years.
The best compromise is for ALF to f**k off and lower the ground level by around 5 metres( city of manchester stadium style)
This would increase the rake and bring it closer to the sidelines.
This would be the ideal solution and technically,not that difficult for the design

This mock up was done over at Austadiums.com.
100,000 capacity
54,000- lower deck
21,000- middle deck
25,000-upper deck

 

[LJC]

Tribal effect? Reality is some clubs are just not that well supported and have a small fanbase. Moving to a centralised ground won't help that, staying where they are won't make much difference either. Over saturation and a culture of refusing to support your club unless it is winning every week are the real problems IMO.

The South Sydney example is a case in point. This club was down and out. It had the support but this support existed behind the scenes! By ridding the NRL of these integral clubs you lose immense support that may not be seen when they are down but is still there!

This is what is at stake if you reduce ,relocate teams within the Sydney market. The North Sydney Bears can regain our game much lost support in the central business district of North Sydney and 'expansion/consolidation' area of NSW central coast. What critics of having clubs in Sydney don't realize that these clubs have support and it only needs success to harness it. You rid the Sydney area of a club you rid the game of many fans. These clubs have generational and traditional support along with tribal rivalries that cannot be replicated by other external clubs.

In saying that I have no issues with additional teams being included into the NRL as it can only expand the game and get more people viewing and playing the game! I believe 4 more clubs over a measured amount of time should occur!

 

[CC_Roosters]

Dave smith just flagged stadia strategy as a central pillar of a successful competiton on NRL 360. I expect we will see action and direction on this issue in the next year or so, although I am not sure if the state government will be willing to build a new stadium from scratch given these financial times

 

[Perth Red]

The South Sydney example is a case in point. This club was down and out. It had the support but this support existed behind the scenes! By ridding the NRL of these integral clubs you lose immense support that may not be seen when they are down but is still

Then you've got clubs like manly, roosters cronulla etc, can you really see them getting 25k home fans to games in the future? Manly doesn't get much better for them in terms of success over last few years yet crowds are very avg., not having a dig at those clubs, they are what they are and if the game is happy to have clubs of this size and popularity then fair enough. There is enough money in the game now to prop them up, even if it is at the expense of expansion of the game.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

This would be the ideal solution and technically,not that difficult for the design

This mock up was done over at Austadiums.com.
100,000 capacity
54,000- lower deck
21,000- middle deck
25,000-upper deck

That'd be very, very expensive if other stadium upgrades are anything to go by. It would be more reasonable to leave SA alone and build a new stadium.

It also wouldn't change the big issues of a roof built for aesthetics instead of bad weather cover and the main stands being so far away from the action (and having to walk so far down to get food/drinks/etc).

You'd think stadium geeks would know better tbh.


Hypothetically speaking, if we were building a new stadium you'd want a lower bowl of around 20-25k, so you can still lock out the upper tier/s for small matches and fans don't feel like they're in the middle of nowhere. While I'm dreaming a multicoloured exterior like Allianz Arena also wouldn't go astray.

 

[Perth Red]

The San siro stadium is what we really need for big RL games but we are stuck with the anz dog so lets not try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Build a decent 30k stadium in western Sydney for 3-4 tenant clubs and lets give the games fans in sydney what they deserve.

 

[LJC]

Then you've got clubs like manly, roosters cronulla etc, can you really see them getting 25k home fans to games in the future? Manly doesn't get much better for them in terms of success over last few years yet crowds are very avg., not having a dig at those clubs, they are what they are and if the game is happy to have clubs of this size and popularity then fair enough. There is enough money in the game now to prop them up, even if it is at the expense of expansion of the game.

Does not have to be at the expense of expansion!

Expansion can occur without diluting the Sydney market! Adding extra teams just like in years gone by can still occur! As I've stated before, other codes are waiting for the NRL to make the same mistake from the Super league war and reduce the clubs in Sydney. Its the jewel in the crown of Australian sport!

You get generational fans offside , you lose them! I know of former North Sydney fans that do not follow the game anymore because their team is not represented in the NRL. This would have been the case with South Sydney had the overwhelming groundswell support for this club not happened. They are massive mistakes getting rid of established clubs. They are known and they are very popular through generations and established recognition over many years!

I'm all for extra teams!
Your continued attack on existing popular and established clubs in Sydney is doing the West Coast Pirates bid no favours! Hopefully you may work this out!

These clubs can add onto the NRL. They don't have ruin the NRL presence in Sydney for entry!