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CanadianSteve

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Sure, just delete all the posts you don't agree with, dubop. Great idea for a debate.
 

Willow

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Canadian Steve: "Willow, if you don't want to, or can't answer mt question, that's fine. Maybe someone else can. "

Excuse me?
You asked an question and I gave my view. If you didnt like the answer then tough luck.

"Leaving out the sarcasm in your response, here I think is the crux of your post."
Sarcasm? lol.. fair go. Quite clearly, if I say something that you don't go along with its sarcasm? Can't help it if I'ma little casual in the way I write mate and besides that, since when was sarcasm an issue?

I'll leave it to you to take what you like from my last post. I thought it was a pretty clear indication of my view and was in response to your question. IMO, my post was simply not to your liking and it was perhaps just a little over your head.
 
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"IMO, my post was simply not to your liking and it was perhaps just a little over your head."

Turn it up Willow. I dont think thats the most modest comment you have ever made on a forum ;)

Moffo
 
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CanadianSteve

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Willow, you have responded to the irrelevant parts of my post. Try the important part:

Moving forward from the "pool of crap", I guess you're saying that single celled organisms split in two. (What caused them to go from a state without mortality to suddenly start splitting is another question.) How do you get from there to a creature that was say, a horse, and from there how did the first male and female horse mate and produce the first baby horse? I know you'll say there were millions of years in there, but doesn't there have to be a point where the first horse (or pick your animal) was born to 2 male and female parents? That's the point I have trouble picturing, and therefore have trouble believing in.

 
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CanadianSteve

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Midnight here - will try tomorrow.
 
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I didnt do it mate, and i cant remember the content of it, so i guess we will have to wait for the deletor. At this point though, id be putting odds on it being on a count of stupidity

Cheers,
Moffo
 

Willow

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"Turn it up Willow. I dont think thats the most modest comment you have ever made on a forum "
I take that as a compliment Moffo. Keep sticking together lads. ;)
Seriously though mate, its gets hard when are those who who continue asking for more and more detail simply because they don't follow.

Having said that, I offer my apologies to Canadian Steve should I have said anything untoward.

Now back to the Puddle of Crap....

Canadian Steve: "
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Midnight here - will try tomorrow."

Was that a'hurry up'...? hmmmm...
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"you have responded to the irrelevant parts of my post. Try the important part"
I have responded. Its nothing to do with me if you choose to disagree,disbelieve it, or fail to understand. But I can only assume from this cantankerous section of your post that you require more detail.

Firstly, I have say that I'm noprofessor of biology. All I can do is give you my opinion, based on the education I have been exposed to and the books I have read plus a whack of whatever from the TV generation (be sure to pull me up if I'm being sarcastic).

Having said that, I'm more than happy to give ityet anothercrack.

"...you're saying that single celled organisms split in two...) How do you get from... say, a horse, and from there how did the first male and female horse... produce the first baby horse? [its called a foal, Steve]I know you'll say there were millions of years in there, but doesn't there have to be a point where the first horse (or pick your animal) was born to 2 male and female parents? That's the point I have trouble picturing, and therefore have trouble believing in. "


I'm sure that evencreationists accept the existence of single celled organisms such as bacteria and algae. The discharge of existing gases from the earth into the atmosphere probably caused the production of amino acids which in turn produced certain proteins thereby leading to the building blocks of DNA.
Molecules are created from this chemical reaction and lo and behold we have singled celled organisms... the oldest are about 3.5BIL years old.
This is an experiment that can be reproduced in a Lab... and it has a name... Miller something.


"What caused them to go from a state without mortality to suddenly start splitting is another question"
This is not the stuff of fantasy.
Given time (yes I have said that before), in the natural world, these multiplying cells form into multi-celled organisms about 1BIL years ago. Once again caused by changes in the atmosphere as gases are emitted, extinguished and so on. All recorded in fossilised records.

Enzymes, chromozomes etc are all by-products of this and our multi-celled organisms turn into small creatures who spread and migrate. Depending the localenvironments, these little creatures change anddevelop to adapt to their conditions...and naturally they enjoy the odd shag and continue to multiply.
You baby horse comes much later but I think by now you are getting the gist of where I'm going with this.

It should be noted that not all evolutionists will agree with all of this but the essence of debating the how and where (ie searching for the answers)is what makes it so interesting.
 
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dubopov

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Willow...If the Godbotherers like the Seventh Days or the Mormons arrive at your doorstep,do you attempt to engage them in matters theological or just tell them to piss off ??.....IMHO..Canadian Steve and Marcus will never agree with anything you say because God is with them.They are more dedicated to theirGod than we are to our MIGHTY DRAGONS...They will never change their views...or for that matter even listen to anyone who is a Heathan....
 

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They usually arrive very early in the morning dubpov. I'm usually awake as well but there was time a when they'd catch me in a stagnant mood...
The result is the same. Very few words are exchanged.

Once upon a time, I used tomake excuses but years ago while living in a share house in Sydney, I decided to set up an appointment for them to come backto my home... being sure todouble book it withone of their rival sects.
They'd all arrive on time and I'd make tea for the gathering of white shirts and ties... and let them go at each other.
Meanwhile,me and my house mates wouldgo down to the pub for the afternoon.... in that instance, I never heard from them again.
 
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CanadianSteve

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Canadian Steve: "
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Midnight here - will try tomorrow."

Was that a 'hurry up'...? hmmmm...
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- Willow

No, just saying I wouldn't be around to respond for a while if you did respond. BTW, you are under no obligation to answer anything, and my original post was directed at anyone, not just you.



Enzymes, chromozomes etc are all by-products of this and our multi-celled organisms turn into small creatures who spread and migrate. Depending the local environments, these little creatures change and develop to adapt to their conditions... and naturally they enjoy the odd shag and continue to multiply.
I understand what you're saying here. I just find it hard to accept. Creatures were reproducing by cell division, then at some point they start having sex and reproducing that way instead. Conception and birth is a complicated process. It's hard to picture how there could have been a transitional lead upto it, where there was some cell-splitting and some sex/conception/birth going on at the same time. And how did they become male and female? Again, I find it hard to picture that happening gradually, over millions of years. Male and female mammals, for example, have developed sex organs, reproductive systems, etc. They work wonderfully well, by design IMO, but if something's missing they don't work. So I have trouble seeing how they could work during some partial, transitional phase.

You baby horse comes much later but I think by now you are getting the gist of where I'm going with this.

Yes, I get the gist. But I still think it's quite a jump from little organisms of bacteria and algae to complex creatures like foals. multiplying cells form into multi-celled organisms about 1BIL years ago. Once again caused by changes in the atmosphere as gases are emitted, extinguished and so on. All recorded in fossilised records. What I understand is missing are all the transitional fossils.

I know this comes down to belief on both sides. I'm just trying to explain why it seems to me that the evolution concept doesn't make sense and creation does. No further detailed answers are required, unless you want to.



 
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"Turn it up Willow. I dont think thats the most modest comment you have ever made on a forum " I take that as a compliment Moffo. Keep sticking together lads. ;)"

lol, if i can repay the compliment from about 200 posts ago, well sidestepped willow ;)

Moffo

 

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