Timana Tahu out, Joel Monaghan in for State of Origin II

[DeanPay98]

Well yeah Junior, Fisheel, you have a point we have to respect the way Tahu chose to go here.

Still Johns is such a tool - its just so unnecessary.

Runaround Man, of the Indigenous players that have represented NSW: Moodie, Tahu, Daley, Mundine, Idris, John Simon, Jennings, Cliff Lyons
Other non-Anglo players: Hazem El Masri, Mick Vella, Hayne, Robbie Farah, Hopoate, Dymock, Mason, Minichello, Lafranchi,

So there are a few. I don't think that there's an entrenched problem in the NSW team. Just a lack of common sense. There might be an issue of Indigenous players being overlooked in close selections though. Its hard to tell. With the exception of Daley and Tahu none of the others are what I'd call regulars in the NSW team, now or in there time.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you think about it, there haven't been too many Aboriginal players play for NSW over the years.

Can anybody name a few?

In the last 10 years only Tahu and Jason Moodie (Edit: and Idris). David Peachey played just over 10 years ago (game 1, 2000).

By contrast, in half that time Queensland has had at least 10 aboriginal players:

Inglis
Tonga
Thurston
Thaiday
Yow Yeh
Hodges
Prince
Webb
Bowen
Wesser

 

[Runaround Man]

Certainly Mundine often made the claim that he was hard done by on the grounds of his race....

 

[Noa]

Sorry but comparing Indigenous Aussies with other ethnic communities doesn't brush in my opinion.

White Australia has a long history of not just demeaning indigenous Aussies but oppressing them to the point of eroding their culture and in many cases actually killing it off.

For T to react like this the talk has obviously got too much. My GUESS is that he received little support from the coach and team mates and decided to walk.

Good on him....like i said earlier...

'if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything'


Buuut we are all still guessing and making assumptions.

Top post.

 

[parra-matters]

That maybe to do with the fact that best aboriginal players seem to be coming from Queensland at the moment. If most of that list were NSWmen most would have been picked.
Preston Cambell is one of the hardest done by, he would have been a senstation off the bench for the Blues in the back half of each half i rate him better than craig Wing in that regard.

 

[Suitman]

Who is anyone to tell Tahu how he should have handled it?

He did what he thought was right, has made a stand and good on him.

If more people made a stand and personal sacrafices for things they believe in the world would be a better place

:thumb

Suity

 

[Springs]

What did that African-American lady do, in the 50s or 60s around then, when she was ordered to vacate her bus seat for a white person? Did she leave and get in a plane? No, she stood up for what she believed in. Now I don't know if there is any more to this Tahu thing that we don't know, and I certainly don't respect Tahu any less for the decision he made, but I know I would respect him a whole lot more if he faced up to it, made up with Joey and got on with the current task at hand. He said that his NSW jersey was the pinnacle, now he lets it go because of an unintentional racial slur? I mean, if he was playing a game and the opposition racially abused him directly (unlike what Joey is alleged to have done) would he walk off the field? If Anderson or another assistant coach at Parramatta made a racial slur would he leave the club? If Tahu thought it was best for the team to leave and bring another winger in, then that's fine. But if he was thinking only of his own emotions, well, I'll just say that there are plenty of people who have been subject to racial abuse before, and if all of them ran away like Tahu did, well there would be a lot less of them around these days.

 

[Runaround Man]

Have you been reading this forum?

Take some time to read the whole forum before blubbering on..

 

[Suitman]

Now I don't know if there is any more to this Tahu thing that we don't know, and I certainly don't respect Tahu any less for the decision he made, but I know I would respect him a whole lot more if he faced up to it,

He did. In his own way.
Respect.

Suity

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If more people made a stand and personal sacrafices for things they believe in the world would be a better place

Totally agree.

Too often we have the case of people trying to change the world through nothing but talk. But as the saying goes, talk is cheap.

The current social obsession with 'raising awareness' changes nothing because it costs nothing. Timana Tahu has made a sacrifice here and that's what will change attitudes.

 

[Suitman]

Timana Tahu has made a sacrifice here

......................................

Indeed.

Suity

 

[Springs]

In the last 10 years only Tahu and Jason Moodie. David Peachey played just over 10 years ago (game 1, 2000).

By contrast, in half that time Queensland has had at least 10 aboriginal players:

Inglis
Tonga
Thurston
Thaiday
Yow Yeh
Hodges
Prince
Webb
Bowen
Wesser

If you didn't notice, Jamal Idris and Tom Leoroyd-Lahrs played in game 1 just 3 weeks ago, earlier in the year they played for the Indigenous All Stars. And Yow Yeh has not played for Queensland. Another player is Greg Bird.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you didn't notice, Jamal Idris and Tom Leoroyd-Lahrs played in game 1 just 3 weeks ago, earlier in the year they played for the Indigenous All Stars. And Yow Yeh has not played for Queensland. Another player is Greg Bird.

Bird and Learoyd-Lahrs, check. I already included Idris.

So in the past 10 years NSW has had 5 aboriginal players, while Queensland has had the 9 I mentioned (over the past 5) as well as:

Sing
Williams
Hegarty
McKenna
Sailor

 

[Hallatia]

If you didn't notice, Jamal Idris and Tom Leoroyd-Lahrs played in game 1 just 3 weeks ago, earlier in the year they played for the Indigenous All Stars. And Yow Yeh has not played for Queensland. Another player is Greg Bird.

Hodgson too

 

[BOMAR]

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I even remember after last years game 3 all the indig9inous boys from qld had there picture taken with the trophy.

Its rampant amougnst the league[/QUOTE]


I remember that last year, and personally found that quite offensive and very racist. I can even recall one of the players who was not aboriginal tried to get into the photo. Imagine the outcry if it had been the other way round.

 

[strider]

yippee - anthony mundine is now getting in on it ...

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-origin-20100612-y4xg.html?rand=1276350698137

Indigenous players, it's time to take a stand: back Timana and boycott Origin

ANTHONY MUNDINE

June 13, 2010

Indigenous players and other coloured players in the NSW and Queensland teams should boycott Wednesday night's State of Origin in support of Timana Tahu. Racism is still a big problem in rugby league and Australian society in general and it is beyond time that something was done.


Timana has taken a stand and I applaud him for his courage. So would every other player of indigenous or Polynesian heritage, and any good-willed Australian.


But Timana needs to see their support and any coloured boy who has played State of Origin should speak out about this issue. Unless the league takes some action, all indigenous players and coloured players should stand down from Origin II. This has gone on for far too long.


If Joey has to be sacked and anyone who has supported him has to be stood down, any good-willed Australian would support that because they know that what has happened is wrong.


When Joey said something offensive about Greg Inglis, he also offended Timana and every Aborigine.


But the oppressor is still in his job and the person who has been oppressed has been forced to leave the team. How does that work?


When I was playing I said there was racism in rugby league. I have talked about this forever, I said it all through my football career and nothing has changed. It happens time and time again and this is another prime example at the highest level. If nothing is done now, then nothing will change.


It is basically just indoctrinated into the Australian culture and it is passed on from generation to generation. The system still allows it and that's why there is racism.
Being indigenous, we have always been made to feel like we are inferior and the whites are superior. It is still that way in society but it is just not spoken about.


There is no education. No policies have been introduced in schools or in sport or in our culture to prevent that. We aren't made to feel that we are equal so we are always up against it. We have got to play two or three times better than everyone else to get picked in representative teams. We're constantly fighting for equality.


But it takes a brave man to stand up against it and that is why I am so supportive of Timana. It takes a lot of manhood to stand up and fight injustice the way he has done, not just for this generation but for the generations to come.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

anthony mundine

Now that he's opened his f**ken mouth I've got no problem with Joey's comments.

 

[NorthShoreEel]

This peanut will not do anything but incite further I'll feeling. I find it extremely provocative that he is virtually suggesting that every non indigenous person in this country is brought up to be a racist!

My parents are not racist, nor were my grandparents, & I find it offensive to suggest that anyone in my family is.

I fully support Timana's actions.

Anthony Mundine on the other hand, I do not (at least not the way he is going about it).

 

[NorthShoreEel]

This peanut will not do anything but incite further I'll feeling. I find it extremely provocative that he is virtually suggesting that every non indigenous person in this country is brought up to be a racist!

My parents are not racist, nor were my grandparents, & I find it offensive to suggest that anyone in my family is.

I fully support Timana's actions.

Anthony Mundine on the other hand, I do not (at least not the way he is going about it).

 

[NorthShoreEel]

Bourbon inspired, early morning, double post.