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Time for Moylan to 5/8

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love the coaches in here. No matter what position Moylan plays it will be wrong in here. Moylan is our best fullback why shift him .If you leave TMM out because he is a so called project player how can you bring Edwards in he also is a project player
We don't need to change much our squad is good just needs fine tuning
Nope the vast majority want him at 5/8. Moylan himself want to be there, Soward said it was always the plan, he played for NSW there and had his best game of the series by far.

Moylan might love the club (i believe he does) but its career suicide for him to stay at fullback, it will cost him millions by the end if he doesn't move.
 
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love the coaches in here. No matter what position Moylan plays it will be wrong in here. Moylan is our best fullback why shift him .If you leave TMM out because he is a so called project player how can you bring Edwards in he also is a project player
We don't need to change much our squad is good just needs fine tuning


What's the point of this forum without mussing on things like player positions?!

Edwards means we don't have two project players controlling our attack.

Moylan out of FB means we have more pace on kick returns.
 
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Nope the vast majority want him at 5/8. Moylan himself want to be there, Soward said it was always the plan, he played for NSW there and had his best game of the series by far.

Moylan might love the club (i believe he does) but its career suicide for him to stay at fullback, it will cost him millions by the end if he doesn't move.


Plus it's not like Moylan has huge amount of time to earn some serious coin , he's 25. Some guys that are 4 years younger have as many first grade games as he'd does.
 

kinghippo

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I read a comment from TMM a few weeks back when he was being asked about an early return about what he thought on Moylan being picked as NSW 5/8. He was funny and said maybe he will play fullback and he didn't mind where he played as long as he got a chance to build on his first grade experience.
 

TheFrog

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It's getting too late in the season now, and we are very much in the running for the finals so its no time to be messing with the spine. I think it'll happen next year. Maybe the plan was for this year, but Moylan's pre-season injury would have put paid to that.
 

Abacus

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I worry about not having a ball player at fullback. Given that you want both wingers to be strong carrying the ball, having DWZ at fullback means the back 3 are the same type. I haven't seen anything from DWZ that makes me think he can provide another passing option.
IMO, it seems the better teams in the comp have fullbacks that can run and pass i.e. Coote, Boyd, Barba. I see DWZ as a Dugan-style fullback which I think would send our attack backwards.
I'd like to see Moylan go to 5/8 but think we need to bring in a guy that can still provide a passing option. Maybe TMM is that guy.
 

martielang

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Bingo. Well said.

I'd have no issue with Moylan going 6, but I can't see any reason why we can't be successful with him at 1, especially with TMM at 6. Seems on here that Moylan has gone from one of the best fullbacks in the comp, to one of the average within a couple of months...
 

TheFrog

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The brains trust must have something in mind. The main risk as I see it is that Wallace might get injured. He's doing the job admirably for us at the present time, especially for the pittance we're paying him, but some sort of succession planning is called for.
 

mxlegend99

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I worry about not having a ball player at fullback. Given that you want both wingers to be strong carrying the ball, having DWZ at fullback means the back 3 are the same type. I haven't seen anything from DWZ that makes me think he can provide another passing option.
IMO, it seems the better teams in the comp have fullbacks that can run and pass i.e. Coote, Boyd, Barba. I see DWZ as a Dugan-style fullback which I think would send our attack backwards.
I'd like to see Moylan go to 5/8 but think we need to bring in a guy that can still provide a passing option. Maybe TMM is that guy.
You mistakenly lumped the Broncos in with the better teams. Broncos are shit and sliding down the ladder.

The better teams have two good halves that are quality and compliment each other. They also have fullbacks who have more then just ball playing up there sleeve. But the halves are the more important part of their success.

Cowboys - Morgan and Thurston... Morgan was fullback before being moved to halves. Thurston is a future immortal. Coote is probably the only example that is close to Moylan... and if he didn't have Origin players in the halves he would likely be there aswell.

Sharks - Maloney and Townsend... Maloney the best NSW half. Townsend being a perfect partner for him. Barba has speed and elusiveness. He has sucked the past 3 years because he lost his ability to use it. Gets that back and his ball running is killing teams.

Storm - Cronk who is one of the best 7s in in the comp. Green is just a solid partner for him which is all they have ever needed. Munster is a dynamic ball runner with strength and speed. They lost the best fullback in the world and look no worse without Slater. If anything a younger guy with more speed and strength has made them even more dangerous.

Raiders - Sezer and Austin who are both solid experienced halves. Wighton is a fullback who has no brains at all but is just big and tough. Hell not long ago many questioned if he was even a first grader. Some probably still do.

The only team in the top 4 with a similar fullback to us is the Cowboys... but they have the best halves pairing in the competition and would be top 4 whether they had Dugan or Moylan at fullback.

Moylan is arguably more skilled then any of those players. But they all have greater strengths then him as a fullback. Faster and/or stronger. Better support play etc.

Moylan gets the job done at fullback. But he has weaknesses there that arent an issue in the halves. we saw that at the highest level he has played. In his first proper halves match he performed better then his 2 games in the position he has played his first grade career in. Because it removed his big weaknesses and allowed him to focus on his strengths. He was still flawed but it was a great start to build on.
 
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Abacus

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You mistakenly lumped the Broncos in with the better teams. Broncos are shit and sliding down the ladder.

The better teams have two good halves that are quality and compliment each other. They also have fullbacks who have more then just ball playing up there sleeve. But the halves are the more important part of their success.

Cowboys - Morgan and Thurston... Morgan was fullback before being moved to halves. Thurston is a future immortal. Coote is probably the only example that is close to Moylan... and if he didn't have Origin players in the halves he would likely be there aswell.

Sharks - Maloney and Townsend... Maloney the best NSW half. Townsend being a perfect partner for him. Barba has speed and elusiveness. He has sucked the past 3 years because he lost his ability to use it. Gets that back and his ball running is killing teams.

Storm - Cronk who is one of the best 7s in in the comp. Green is just a solid partner for him which is all they have ever needed. Munster is a dynamic ball runner with strength and speed. They lost the best fullback in the world and look no worse without Slater. If anything a younger guy with more speed and strength has made them even more dangerous.

Raiders - Sezer and Austin who are both solid experienced halves. Wighton is a fullback who has no brains at all but is just big and tough. Hell not long ago many questioned if he was even a first grader. Some probably still do.

The only team in the top 4 with a similar fullback to us is the Cowboys... but they have the best halves pairing in the competition and would be top 4 whether they had Dugan or Moylan at fullback.

Moylan is arguably more skilled then any of those players. But they all have greater strengths then him as a fullback. Faster and/or stronger. Better support play etc.

Moylan gets the job done at fullback. But he has weaknesses there that arent an issue in the halves. we saw that at the highest level he has played. In his first proper halves match he performed better then his 2 games in the position he has played his first grade career in. Because it removed his big weaknesses and allowed him to focus on his strengths. He was still flawed but it was a great start to build on.
Thanks for the analysis MX. I don't necessarily disagree with the points made re the fullbacks of the current Top 4 teams. I do think you're either missing my point or glossing over it. Each of them (maybe Wighton excepted) can use the ball.
Broncos were last years' grand finalists, so were included on that basis. Boyd is arguably 1 of the top fullbacks in the comp - because he can run and ball play.
We agree (I think) that Moylan should go to 5/8 - I just think that DWZ to fullback will limit our ability in the attacking 20.
 

mxlegend99

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Before his lung injury last year he was starting to warm into the role. But why does a different fullback need to change our attack in the opposition 20?

Cleary, Moylan and Cartwright can still do the bulk of the creating. The same plays could still be used as the same players are available. Just with different defensive roles. I also think hitting a powerful ball runner with pace a little further infield could add another dimension to our attack. Especially if we can get him supporting guys up the middle. Theres a lot of ball playing from the forwards going on and he's probably one of our most likely to get through the line on a half gap.

We aren't losing any ball players. We are just moving a fullback who is weaker and slower away from kick returns and having a guy with a bit more pace and strength do that work. Moylan tends to use him when he's available anyway. The big change will be defensive structure and our kick return. After that it wouldn't change too much.

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I also think getting Cartwright out wider instead of Moylan would make him more dangerous. Let him pop up both sides but with his size and strength he would just be more lethal. Cleary, Moylan and the Cartwright for mine. DWZ can sniff around out the back.
 
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Unless TMM gets injured again there's no chance Moylan plays halves this year. Maybe next year but that's still a big maybe and I doubt it will be in the equation unless TMM or Cleary is injured again.
 
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Unless TMM gets injured again there's no chance Moylan plays halves this year. Maybe next year but that's still a big maybe and I doubt it will be in the equation unless TMM or Cleary is injured again.

I hate to say this again but I don't get why there's so much faith in TMM?

Moylan could replace him through form , in fact I'd say statistically that's more likely than an injury.

Would you play TMM at 5/8 for NSW right now? (If he was eligible)
 
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I hate to say this again but I don't get why there's so much faith in TMM?

Moylan could replace him through form , in fact I'd say statistically that's more likely than an injury.

Would you play TMM at 5/8 for NSW right now? (If he was eligible)
Its what griffin wants more than anything. I'd like to personally see them play a few games together before I make a judgement
 

panthers2010

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It's not like Moylan was an obvious option for NSW, He only got in the team through injury and even after that people were still questioning that decision by Daley. Im not saying he wouldn't do a job at 5/8th but why would penrith compete against the premiers to buy TMM if the ultimate goal was for moylan to move in the halves and turn him into "the next Darren Lockyer"
 
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