Time for Moylan to 5/8

[mxlegend99]

Griffin has pretty much confirmed he will not even entertain the idea at all though..apparently fullback is his best position. But he's happy to chop and change every other player in the side into unfamiliar roles.

Its like he refuses to do it simply because everyone thinks it should happen and it's not his idea.

 

[martielang]

Call me crazy but I'd rather TMM at 6 and Moylan at 1. TMM is not far off returning. Maybe he sees it as pointless to move Moylan there for a game or two then push him straight back to FB? Cleary, TMM, Moylan spine with Cartwright on the edge is pretty potent.

I also don't see anywhere in that article where he says he definitely won't play him there? As for not entertaining the idea, the second bolded section IMO shows he is.

He's essentially playing as a 5/8th in attack now anyway, I don't think his offensive role changes to much even if he has the 6 on his back.

 

[mxlegend99]

So you think TMM misses 90% of the season and comes straight into the team without match fitness to partner an 18 year old halfback? God we would be screwed if that happens.

I think TMM needs a few NSW Cup games first and if he finds form to be our bench utility. You cant have kids together in the halves.

And if there's no point in moving Moylan, why was there a point in moving Cartwright? We have plenty of options at fullback to move Moylan... and Moylan is far more suited to the halves then Cartwright. Based on his Origin game he's a better defender also.

 

[Bob]

Call me crazy but I'd rather TMM at 6 and Moylan at 1. TMM is not far off returning. Maybe he sees it as pointless to move Moylan there for a game or two then push him straight back to FB? Cleary, TMM, Moylan spine with Cartwright on the edge is pretty potent.

I also don't see anywhere in that article where he says he definitely won't play him there? As for not entertaining the idea, the second bolded section IMO shows he is.

He's essentially playing as a 5/8th in attack now anyway, I don't think his offensive role changes to much even if he has the 6 on his back.

Totally agree with this, TMM and Cleary for mine as well
A spine of TMM, Cleary, Moylan and a decent hooker would be good by me

 

[BxTom]

I also like TMM at 6, Cleary at 7 and Moylan at 1. Unfortunately I didn't see the SOO 3 game so I cannot comment on Moylan's defensive effort and it seems that it is a mixed review. But I do note that the people that are defending the fact that Moylan couldn't stop Cooper, which is probably expected due to the difference in size, are by and large the same people that were calling for Soward's head when he had the same trouble.

I can see why Griffen doesn't want to experiment with Moylan at 5/8 by weakening the FB position. Especially with TMM about to come back.

Tom.

 

[umina panther]

But moving Moylan actually strengthens fullback. Everything that makes him so important to us has nothing to do with playing fullback. He's poor at holding players up, poor kick returns, poor support play, slow for a fullback and is average under the highball. Now if we had Moylan ball playing in the halves plus a fast hole running fullback we'd be a LOT better off.

 

[martielang]

So you think TMM misses 90% of the season and comes straight into the team without match fitness to partner an 18 year old halfback? God we would be screwed if that happens.

I think TMM needs a few NSW Cup games first and if he finds form to be our bench utility. You cant have kids together in the halves.

And if there's no point in moving Moylan, why was there a point in moving Cartwright? We have plenty of options at fullback to move Moylan... and Moylan is far more suited to the halves then Cartwright. Based on his Origin game he's a better defender also.

I think we all agree we're very long odds to win the comp this year, so why wouldn't you give TMM and Cleary a run together to see if they can forge a partnership irrespective of their ages. What have we got the lose? I think they compliment each other perfectly. I realise the same can be said for trialling Moylan at 6, but IMO to have Cleary, TMM and Moylan on the field at the same time (which id want) you need Moylan at 1.

For this next week or two, Cartwright at 6 with a ball playing fullback like Moylan, isn't too bad an option as Moylan pretty much plays as your second half, and Cartwright just roams. I personally wouldn't go that way, but up until last weekend (where we had no ball playing fullback), we hadn't looked too bad in attack with Him at 6.

 

[betcats]

If we are going with Cleary and TMM and are not going to consider Moylan why would you rush it? They are 18 and 20 they have forever to build a partnership plus mo Its extremely unlikely they strike a partnership after TMM has been out so long playing in a bottom 8 side in just a few games. Let TMM get some confidence back in his shoulder before throwing him out there in FG with an 18yo halves partner. Confidence is huge in this game especially for young halves, like I said yesterday look at Ben Hunt, Anthony Milford, Luke Brooks even Mitch Moses. There are times these guys look like freaks and then other times they completely suck. TMM isn't going to be match fit after such a long lay off, give a week or two in reserve grade atleast.

In regards to Moylan, if TMM and Cleary do eventually live up to their potential then I think we would be better served with a more traditional fullback, someone with speed and strength who can really hit holes and play off two good ballplaying halves. We have a number of skilled ball playing forwards with two good halves Moylan becomes less valuable to our team.

 

[umina panther]

TMM defended well and kicked a field goal. Have seen nothing to show he's a better option than Moylan at 6 at this stage of their careers. He can bust the door down carving up NSW cup for the rest of the year and the start of the next

 

[betcats]

I want to try Moylan for sure but for a young half TMM was breaking tackles at a nice rate and showed on his first linebreak in his first game the abilty to switch the ball in his hand multiple times quickly and step off both feet which sounds like small things but they don't come naturally to most players, we haven't seen his ball playing in FG yet but some tigers fans were saying he is the best young ball player they have seen when we signed him. He will be a quality player imo but it would be ludicrous if we don't try Moylan at 6. He just has the vision, slight of hand and time of a great half and the more he is on the ball the better we are imo. He has the knack of passing the ball to get the receiver outside his man and through the hole.

My only problem with TMM is how long it could take for himself and Cleary to work out how to be dominant halves at this level. It is not going to happen in 2 or 3 weeks, it will far more likely take 2 or 3 seasons which I might be willing to cop if we didn't have a 25yo Lockyer clone who imo is ready to own it right now.

 

[umina panther]

Brooks/Moses has been a disaster. Although Cleary is obviously a class above them in skill and maturity. 2 young halves just doesn't work imo

 

[betcats]

Brooks/Moses has been a disaster. Although Cleary is obviously a class above them in skill and maturity. 2 young halves just doesn't work imo

Yeah do you remember Brooks at 18 when he came onto the scene? He looked better than Cleary does now, he was getting Johns comparisons and everything he was a sure bet to be a superstar. Even super talented young halves individually always go through ups and downs with their form as pair the issue is compounded, no young kid develops at a steady progressive rate.

 

[pandas]

Cleary & TMM aren't Brooks & Moses.

 

[betcats]

Maybe they aren't but as I said Brooks looked better than both Cleary or TMM when he debuted, he was completely owning games. I thinks its wishful thinking to expect them to be great straight away.

Look at Ben Hunt, Look at Milford. Look at Austin. Shaun Johnson still hasn't figured it out. Kieran Foran is about the only half I can think of recently who hit the ground running and didn't look back when it comes to form and he came into one of the best sides we have seen the last 10 years, even DCE has had his struggles. Some halves never figure out how to be consistent, Benji for example, Shaun Johnson as mentioned its a very rocky road developing halves. We have a coach who will not or cannot coach decent attacking structures, that's a bad mix for two rookie halves.

 

[Frankus]

Maybe they aren't but as I said Brooks looked better than both Cleary or TMM when he debuted, he was completely owning games. I thinks its wishful thinking to expect them to be great straight away.

Look at Ben Hunt, Look at Milford. Look at Austin. Shaun Johnson still hasn't figured it out. Kieran Foran is about the only half I can think of recently who hit the ground running and didn't look back when it comes to form and he came into one of the best sides we have seen the last 10 years, even DCE has had his struggles. Some halves never figure out how to be consistent, Benji for example, Shaun Johnson as mentioned its a very rocky road developing halves. We have a coach who will not or cannot coach decent attacking structures, that's a bad mix for two rookie halves.

I agree consistent young halves is often an oxymoron but to trumpet Foran as an exception is debatable.

How many Warriors games have you watched this year? Johnson has consistently been top 3 Warriors players on the park and often the only one who seems to give a shit. His 2016 form is far from his hot/cold 2014 form.

Im not one who believes stats tell the full story of someone's worth on the field but - SJ is the only half in the comp who is in the top 20 for line breaks, line break assists, tries and try assists. Tedesco is the only other player who can make that claim. That includes 7 games with Jeff Robson as his halves partner. To put that into perspective: Peter Wallace has more creativity in his big toe than Robson has in his entire body.

 

[betcats]

I haven't watched a lot of the Warriors admittedly so maybe Johnson has finally worked it out, I have aid a fair bit of attention to him up until this year but I don't have FOX anymore so I don't see them much.

Foran may of had the occasional bad game but I don't recall any form slumps lasting for weeks or anything like that but I wont argue if you say he has.

 

[Frankus]

I haven't watched a lot of the Warriors admittedly so maybe Johnson has finally worked it out, I have aid a fair bit of attention to him up until this year but I don't have FOX anymore so I don't see them much.

Foran may of had the occasional bad game but I don't recall any form slumps lasting for weeks or anything like that but I wont argue if you say he has.

Mate, I'm not arguing. As you said, Foran came into grade in a very strong Manly side. He has had DCE, Stewart and Lyon around him consistently creating more chances in my opinion. I think in a side like that form slumps from one or the other can be hidden well. Where as Benji, SJ or even say Soward - it is blatantly obvious because there was barely another bloke around them creating.

 

[TheFrog]

The difference is kick returns and having a fast fullback following Moylan around the middle of the park. This issue has gone way past the point of debate, Moylan is a 5/8 and if you disagree you are simply wrong

If we had a Tedesco, a Boyd, a Coote or even a Dugan to put up the back I'd agree with you.

Can someone sprinkle magic dust on DWZ and make him a fullback, please?

 

[betcats]

Mate, I'm not arguing. As you said, Foran came into grade in a very strong Manly side. He has had DCE, Stewart and Lyon around him consistently creating more chances in my opinion. I think in a side like that form slumps from one or the other can be hidden well. Where as Benji, SJ or even say Soward - it is blatantly obvious because there was barely another bloke around them creating.

I see what you mean and I agree 100 percent, I was kind of alluding to that when I mentioned he came into one of the best teams we've seen the last ten years or so,. Much the same as Gareth Widdop, he rarely put a foot wrong at Melbourne and gets to St George and bust.

When you consider our potential team next year it could be Moylan plus TMM, CLeary and Katoa/Luke/ZDC if Wallace gets injured or isn't doing good enough. I mean that is a spine that might be ready to compete with the best teams in 3 or 4 years, not now.

 

[Fibroman]

Gus 'Cartwright is doing a job for the team' a hatchet job maybe.....