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[Whos Ya Daddy]

Smower Joe is dead.

I would book Joe in a gimmick where he is trying to prove he is the best wrestler in the world and he takes on the biggest international stars that TNA can book. He goes over in the US and then in return he goes to Japan and does the job. You can cut promos from overseas and show them on Impact when he's missing. You'll get fantastic matches and the slogan "wrestling matters" might actually begin to mean something. Joe will get built up again and when the gimmick starts to fizzle out you set him on a world title hunt and super Joe is back.

 

[Big Pete]

That's not a bad compromise WYD.

I would have personally just released him, do both him and TNA a favour and let him rebuild himself in Japan and ROH but that would also suffice.

Watched this week's edition, won't go into it like last time but can I just say there's absolutely no reason to get behind Roode or care about his feud with Angle? They at least tried to build him up this episode but he has the personality of Hardcore Holly.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

They can't release Joe now because after he goes over in ROH he'll end up in the WWE.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

Watched this week's edition, won't go into it like last time but can I just say there's absolutely no reason to get behind Roode or care about his feud with Angle? They at least tried to build him up this episode but he has the personality of Hardcore Holly.

That's being far too harsh. He just had a great match (for the two major companies standard) against AJ Styles were he got a submission victory. Let's look at the WWE championship matches for the next PPV. It's a no contest really, Roode vs Angle is much more interesting.

The biggest problem is they are trying to use melodrama to smash him over as if he had the following of a Davey Richards or AJ Styles, that's just something that takes a while to establish and he doesn't quite have it. The humble guy who has bided his time angle doesn't really work when it comes off as manufactured. At least they are trying to book a proper angle, I'll give them that. Admittedly, I haven't been watching much of the show and it would have to come off better to regular viewers.

It's been overbooked but so has half the TNA and WWE roster and angles. Hell, It's better than anything to do with HHH, who sucked Punk dry in a bid to make himself the center of attention. It's better than any angle that Cena or Orton have to carry. It's not what it could have been but relatively speaking it's not bad.

 

[Big Pete]

That match wouldn't make the Top 10 in both companies lists and even then Styles has put on better matches with Bully Ray. I rate Roode as an in-ring competitor but he doesn't have the personality of a game-changer and while he'll make a better champion than Sting or Mr. Anderson I feel like TNA's letting him down.

This current feud with Angle lacks any fire. It's essentially about Immortal than it is about Angle, and really Immortal weren't that interesting to begin with so any tension between them doesn't make for captivating television. The match itself could be good, or it could be just another typical over-the-top Angle match.

For what should be the biggest feud of the year, it's a major disappointment. Just like the WWE.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

That match wouldn't make the Top 10 in both companies lists and even then Styles has put on better matches with Bully Ray. I rate Roode as an in-ring competitor but he doesn't have the personality of a game-changer and while he'll make a better champion than Sting or Mr. Anderson I feel like TNA's letting him down.

This current feud with Angle lacks any fire. It's essentially about Immortal than it is about Angle, and really Immortal weren't that interesting to begin with so any tension between them doesn't make for captivating television. The match itself could be good, or it could be just another typical over-the-top Angle match.

For what should be the biggest feud of the year, it's a major disappointment. Just like the WWE.

A non PPV won't usually make the top 10 list so that argument is irrelevant. Styles might have carried Bubba to through better matches but he could have a good match with a broomstick.

You've got Hogan and Bischoff hogging the spotlight and Russo's fetish for stables and constant turns. It's tough for this match to take center stage when all that bullshit is going on. Hogan still closed the show with news that was "going to shake the industry" and the motherf**ker won't sell as a heel. Everytime he gets in the ring alone he plays it up to the fans, the guy is a cancer. He's done far more damage to the company than Russo, which says it all.

We all know you hate Angle but he's still a good performer. It would be nice if this feud had been booked better but considering all the externalites and Roode being given the wrong angle it's OK. It's worth remembering this is TNA, you can't set the bar too high. If I judge them against Richards vs Edwards it's a failure already. But what isn't?

 

[Big Pete]

A non PPV won't usually make the top 10 list so that argument is irrelevant. Styles might have carried Bubba to through better matches but he could have a good match with a broomstick.

In other words, the match really wasn't 'great' by company's standards. It was a good match but as you said, it's not abnormal to have a good match with Styles or, adding to that, going over him.

And yes, most of the blame rests with Hogan and Russo.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

In other words, the match really wasn't 'great' by company's standards. It was a good match but as you said, it's not abnormal to have a good match with Styles or, adding to that, going over him.

And yes, most of the blame rests with Hogan and Russo.

It was a great match for a weekly by company standard and Styles didn't carry him.

 

[Big Pete]

It was good, but I don't expect fans to remember the match in the months to come like you would with a 'great' match.

And of course Styles didn't. It's just easy to have a good match with Styles.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

It was good, but I don't expect fans to remember the match in the months to come like you would with a 'great' match.

And of course Styles didn't. It's just easy to have a good match with Styles.

What's the last weekly match you remember that was great?

I have a feeling this is another semantic discussion over terminology.

 

[Big Pete]

I'd say so WYD.

A match that comes to mind is Rey Mysterio vs. John Cena, Randy Orton vs. Christian, John Morrison vs. Miz FCA.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

I'd say so WYD.

A match that comes to mind is Rey Mysterio vs. John Cena, Randy Orton vs. Christian, John Morrison vs. Miz FCA.

Don't remember any of them.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

Much better Impact episode.

The Bobby Roode promos were so much better working off James Storm. These guys really have good chemistry together.

The manufactured superstar Gunner comes out and I'm getting ready to fast forward but Kaz music hits to save the day. Gunner goes over by submission playing up an injured arm angle. It's meh but at least it gives Kaz something to do and he saves the segment.

Anderson cuts a decent promo, the nutswinging comment probably won me over because it's true (*cough* Randy Orton). He challenges Bubba Ray who comes out and runs his mouth, he can cut a half decent promo but the dude is just filler in my books.

Velvet Sky is soo over but how do the camera crew miss the butt shot during her rope straddle? You can't miss a spot like that. The womens match was good considering it was on a mainstream weekly.

Bischoff calls out Hardy, who still gets that Hardy pop when he comes out despite all the bullshit. Bischoff cuts the promo you would expect from him and Hardy responses with the Twsit of Fate. Helps build the obvious Hardy vs the establishment angle nicely.

Joe versus the unbeaten Crimson. Joe dominates and losses to a small package reversal whilst going for a submission, Joe losses whilst looking strong. It's always good to see Joe in the ring but a match against Crimson is only going to deliver so much.

Roode vs Storm was great, they both got a loud pop, especially Roode. I felt better about hammering him over after tonight. They put on a great match, Angle interferes and helps Roode by tacking out Storm whilst everyone is down. Storm initially kicks out but gets beat by a perfect plex. It was kind of a WTF move to have Angle do this but they might be able to work of it next week. The biggest positive out of this match is I really feel Roode vs Storm could be the 2012 feud of the year.

Hogan does his retirement gimmick to close out the show. He gets the pop you would expect, Sting comes out says he doesn't believe him and shows footage of Hogan talking with Bischoff about how they are going to work the retirement angle. I don't really care about this but I suppose they booked this segment well to make this match draw.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

The negatives.

I can't help but thinking that James Storm should have gone over Angle and then run with the Bobby Roode angle they are using now. Storm just has so much more charisma and they could have used that to put over Roode. Sure it's a rip off of the American Wolves ROH angle, but it worked. I guess they could still have Angle go over Roode and then Storm win out of nowhere, would be a good move but I know they won't book that.

How awesome was Daffney? The best gimmick in women's wrestling and they didn't push her. Instead they talk her into taking sick bumps and then refuse to cover the medical expenses when she ends up in hospital. It's a real shame, I miss her in the knockout division and her segments drew big ratings.

Velvet Sky shows that TNA don't need to use ex WWE talent on overinflated contracts. They can build their own stars, book unsigned talent from Shimmer for gods sake. I would love to book the Knockouts division, so easy yet they f**k up so badly.

Everytime I see Bischoff on TV I can't help but think Russo is sitting backstage doing nothing. Hello, no one has more heat than this guy and he cuts a promo with the best of them. Bischoff just bores me to tears.

What is it with these manufactured superstars like Gunner and Crimson? Are you kidding?

Hogan and Sting, I mean is it 1990?

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

Speaking of Hogan and Sting main eventing.

I remember someone coined the TNA acronym as The Nineties Again when Hogan and the gang went to TNA.

That's a pretty great call right there.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

Bruce Prichard has taken over as head of creative with Vince Russo demoted to head writer. This happened a few months back apparently.

I'm guessing Hogan pushed for this as a stipulation of him resigning. Word is he wasn't happy with the Kurt Angle heel turn out of the blue.

Here is a link to Prichard's thoughts on TNA a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On44aZbNzKQ

TNA has really lacked vision and a coherent storyline for a while now so it would be good if Prichard can address this. Russo is a good writer but you just can't allow him to be head of creative. The Bobby Roode push is a step in the right direction and the last few Impacts have been much better than what the WWE have been serving up.

 

[Big Pete]

Only caught last week's show from the main event segment to the opening promo but I liked what I saw.

My only issue is that, I thought Storm really outshone Roode. Not in the ring, they were both fairly equal there, although I generally rate Roode higher but on the stick I thought Storm left Roode in the dust. He just has so much more energy than Roode and he really got the crowd behind him (although, I've read reports that the crowd was editted ala Smackdown).

Both guys put on a good match, enjoyed the story of two friends duking it out and knowing each other's style so well that they know when to get out of harm's way and when to get involved. The only problem I had was the finish. While it's acceptable for a TV main event to have a dirty finish, I'm just worried it will lead to a predictable turn for Storm in the short-term which at this stage I'm just completely over. That, and it lead to a fairly weak finish, but really it wasn't that big a deal, and we got a good match.

Hogan/Sting segment was silly, but the good kind of silly and it was funny watching the crowd turn on Hogan as they did.

Reading the report, sounds like a good show for where it was situated and it really looks like Prichard is making a difference. From all I've heard, Prichard won't be a game changer, but at least he won't be a channel changer like Russo. Really, the TNA roster speaks for itself and if he can just find a way to book the best matches we'll all be happy campers.

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In other news, decided my next wrestling project would be to check out old TNA PPVs. Started off with Turning Point 2004 which sounds like a damn good show. If you guys have any recommendations, I'd be glad to hear them.

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

When the X-Division title meant more than the Heavyweight Championship TNA was great. I would actually watch all of 05 but I'll do the recommendation on the assumption that you don't.

Just go straight on from Turning Point 04 into Final Resolution 05. The at Against All Odds AJ and Daniels put on one of the best matches I've seen in a 30 minute iron man match. Three great events back to back. Skip Destination X and watch Lockdown. Skip Hard Justice and Slammiversary and watch No Surrender (super strong card) then Sacrifice (Joe vs AJ) then Unbreakable (Joe vs AJ vs Daniels) then Bound For Glory (AJ vs Daniels in another 30 minute iron man match) then Genesis doesn't deliver that outstanding match but it's a pretty good card finishing with Turning Point (AJ vs. Joe in their best 1v1 match).

Wow what a period for TNA.

 

[Manurewa_Marlins]

^ This x 999999999999999999999999999999

 

[Big Pete]

James Storm just won the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.