Todd Greenberg has got to go!

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North Shore is now Swans and Syd FC capture.

I have a mate who was heavily involved in Asquith RL. They had upwards of 3 or 4 teams per age group in the mid 90s. Now they can only field 1 max per age group and none at a number of ages.

Its not about having to have a team in your backyard and you know that. It is about having the team you have followed your whole life shafted and saying f**k this I will find a team in another sport because I cannot bear (no pun intended) to follow another nrl team.

That has just as much to do with being a contact sport in a modern society of mollycoddlers.

 

[LeagueXIII]

SYDNEY should be absolutely maintaining and fixing up the mess that Superleague caused. You just don't get it Doctor ! The Sydney clubs are the basis and foundation of one of Australia's major sports competitions. These clubs that have been merged and exited from the top flight deserve their place in the sun. The many fans that follow these Sydney clubs deserve their team . Established club brands along with the cultural sugnificance of these Sydney clubs within and outside of Sydney should not be underestimated. These clubs give rugby league both its popularity and its credibility. You dabble with that and you risk market confidence and market share.

Exactly, as an example I bought RLW every week for about 20 odd years then they decided to change the format because they were trying to attract new markets. Well I stopped buying it and wished them well in their endeavours to attract the new market. As a result they neglected the old market and what it was that made the magazine a success. Eventually they saw the error and reverted to something similar to the old mag however it was too late for me they had got me out of the habit of buying it and I barely bought another mag again.

The moral I guess is don't tamper with your foundation that drives everything, grow it by all means but respect the past and what has made you a success.

 

[Stallion]

What a stupid argument, no one in Brisbane actually likes the Broncos, they just support them because they have no other team? So when you add this much beloved new team in Brisbane, the Broncos will have no fans, yes? So, what's the point of a second Brisbane team?

Wrong. My dealings with all Brisbane people are either they like the Broncos or would rather follow another team as they don't like the Broncos. Another side in Brisbane is long overdue and common sense.

 

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Wrong. My dealings with all Brisbane people are either they like the Broncos or would rather follow another team as they don't like the Broncos. Another side in Brisbane is long overdue and common sense.

Whoosh. That's the sound of the point going right over your head.

 

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Wrong. My dealings with all Brisbane people are either they like the Broncos or would rather follow another team as they don't like the Broncos. Another side in Brisbane is long overdue and common sense.

Whoosh. That's the sound of the point going right over your head.

 

[Stallion]

Whoosh. That's the sound of the point going right over your head.

Ok. I've re read your initial comment a few times now. And still dont think it's clear. So for the sake of clarity I suggest you might make it clearer. Just a constructive comment. From what I gather you do support another top flight club in Brisbane?

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

It's as much about tradition as just having a franchise......gives it meaning and purpose. It is why we can't increase our crowds because we killed the feel good factor the game once had.

I agree, thats why id loke to see the NRL introducing old representitive teams. These rep sides united areas that have club level rivalries (When it comes to Origin, fans of the 10 NSW teams put their differences aside without any problem).

Rep teams like Sydney City, Country, BRL Firsts have long histories but suffer the same prejudice. CLub footy teams teach fans to hate opposition teams. Rep teams are exempt from this.

Its impossible to maintain every suburban team. If we revive the Bears, why not Glebe and the Jets? Why not all of the BRL teams? WHy not the local Newcastle/Illawarra/Canberra/Nqld/NZ teams? We could hit 100 teams across the country.

Not everyone can have a local team. United teams at least better than asking fans to jump behind old rivals...

 

[Stallion]

I agree, thats why id loke to see the NRL introducing old representitive teams. These rep sides united areas that have club level rivalries (When it comes to Origin, fans of the 10 NSW teams put their differences aside without any problem).

Rep teams like Sydney City, Country, BRL Firsts have long histories but suffer the same prejudice. CLub footy teams teach fans to hate opposition teams. Rep teams are exempt from this.

Its impossible to maintain every suburban team. If we revive the Bears, why not Glebe and the Jets? Why not all of the BRL teams? WHy not the local Newcastle/Illawarra/Canberra/Nqld/NZ teams? We could hit 100 teams across the country.

Not everyone can have a local team. United teams at least better than asking fans to jump behind old rivals...

That's bullshit about the rep. team crap !The Sydney clubs are very viable, very cultural and have considerable support. Are you aware that the Newtown Jets draw 9000 fans to Henson park on a Saturday this season? You seem to be very quick to dismiss the relevance of the Sydney clubs which are the cornerstone of the NRL competition. Are you a plant from a rival code!?Very disrespectful and reeking of poor business sense on your part . Smart organisations do not rid their most respected and well known product/rivalries/clubs. People with your shallow logic do! You don't just snap a finger and say to the public; " Here follow this! You'll get used to it! You may even like it one day?!" In a competitive sports market ridding your respected, well known and familiar clubs is not wise nor even remotely good business. You actually discard the inherent advantage the code has built up over many decades. You will also find that clubs do come and go however the clubs from 1970s onwards were part of a widely expanding television coverage era which jettisoned these clubs to the sports public far and wide. People admired and passionately disliked clubs for all sorts of reasons. And you would rather see this affinity with the wider general public gone with a fanciful new team concept that has little recognition or established season longtime rivalry? Amazing thought processes going through your mind Doctor? !

 

[titoelcolombiano]

What a stupid argument, no one in Brisbane actually likes the Broncos, they just support them because they have no other team? So when you add this much beloved new team in Brisbane, the Broncos will have no fans, yes? So, what's the point of a second Brisbane team?

I actually didn't say that no one likes them in Brisbane, of course they do. What I said is that they are not a beloved team here, they are not wholeheartedly embraced by rugby league fans. There are a few reasons for this. Animosity from the beginning for essentially ruining the BRL, some local supporters already having a NSWRL team and not jumping ship to the new Brisbane team and Super League.

The Broncos will always have a core fan base of around 25k, attract on average 5k in away support and on average 5k in bandwaggoners in really good seasons. But as you would have noticed their averages have never really grown past this point ever.

A new Brisbane NRL team will not have the BRL or Super League issues to deal with and if done right, even fans of interstate clubs will jump on board as their second team just because they are not the Broncos. So yes a successful second club will pass the Broncs membership and averages easily, there is a huge RL following in Brisbane not engaged by the Broncs as the Maroons point out each year. Hell even the Crushers averaged 21k in their first season and they were bog ordinary. Then the SL war kicked in and destroyed their averages (as it did with the Broncs too).

I'm sure you know all of this though - your comment seems to suggest that you are an expert on Rugby League in Brisbane.

 

[Pedge1971]

That has just as much to do with being a contact sport in a modern society of mollycoddlers.

Whatevers. RL gave the other sports a free kick and they have taken it to the point where it will never regain a foothold in that part of Sydney again.

 

[Stallion]

Whatevers. RL gave the other sports a free kick and they have taken it to the point where it will never regain a foothold in that part of Sydney again.

Agree that RL has given other codes a free kick and is still doing this elsewhere. However one major thing that RL has going for it is the actual sport itself. It is very inclusive, challenging physically and mentally, and easy to watch/follow. Such a combination cannot be denied redemption. If competent development people are used such areas can be fruitful again for RL. It's a bloody good game and deserves better!

 

[insert.pause]

I actually didn't say that no one likes them in Brisbane, of course they do. What I said is that they are not a beloved team here, they are not wholeheartedly embraced by rugby league fans. There are a few reasons for this. Animosity from the beginning for essentially ruining the BRL, some local supporters already having a NSWRL team and not jumping ship to the new Brisbane team and Super League.

The Broncos will always have a core fan base of around 25k, attract on average 5k in away support and on average 5k in bandwaggoners in really good seasons. But as you would have noticed their averages have never really grown past this point ever.

A new Brisbane NRL team will not have the BRL or Super League issues to deal with and if done right, even fans of interstate clubs will jump on board as their second team just because they are not the Broncos. So yes a successful second club will pass the Broncs membership and averages easily, there is a huge RL following in Brisbane not engaged by the Broncs as the Maroons point out each year. Hell even the Crushers averaged 21k in their first season and they were bog ordinary. Then the SL war kicked in and destroyed their averages (as it did with the Broncs too).

I'm sure you know all of this though - your comment seems to suggest that you are an expert on Rugby League in Brisbane.

I live here and it's by no way as great as you are making it out to be, and if anything it's less of an issue than it use to be. The Broncos are the biggest brand in the game and far and away the biggest sporting brand in qld, and it's not because they are disliked.

You don't seem to appreciate that crowd & membership numbers are affected by the fact that over the last decade the Broncos have played the vast majority of their home games on either a Thursday or Friday night to accommodate FTA viewership.

A second team in Brisbane is needed for the basic reason that the game loses money every time the Broncos aren't playing at home.

 

[Stallion]

I live here and it's by no way as great as you are making it out to be, and if anything it's less of an issue than it use to be. The Broncos are the biggest brand in the game and far and away the biggest sporting brand in qld, and it's not because they are disliked.

You don't seem to appreciate that crowd & membership numbers are affected by the fact that over the last decade the Broncos have played the vast majority of their home games on either a Thursday or Friday night to accommodate FTA viewership.

A second team in Brisbane is needed for the basic reason that the game loses money every time the Broncos aren't playing at home.

That's a bloody good reason on top of a few others!

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly, as an example I bought RLW every week for about 20 odd years then they decided to change the format because they were trying to attract new markets. Well I stopped buying it and wished them well in their endeavours to attract the new market. As a result they neglected the old market and what it was that made the magazine a success. Eventually they saw the error and reverted to something similar to the old mag however it was too late for me they had got me out of the habit of buying it and I barely bought another mag again.

The moral I guess is don't tamper with your foundation that drives everything, grow it by all means but respect the past and what has made you a success.

People still buy printed magazines?

 

[siv]

People still buy printed magazines?

Ever tried to find any magazines older than 2 or 3 years online

 

[LeagueXIII]

People still buy printed magazines?

this was about 17 years ago

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

That's bullshit about the rep. team crap !The Sydney clubs are very viable, very cultural and have considerable support. Are you aware that the Newtown Jets draw 9000 fans to Henson park on a Saturday this season? You seem to be very quick to dismiss the relevance of the Sydney clubs which are the cornerstone of the NRL competition. Are you a plant from a rival code!?Very disrespectful and reeking of poor business sense on your part . Smart organisations do not rid their most respected and well known product/rivalries/clubs. People with your shallow logic do! You don't just snap a finger and say to the public; " Here follow this! You'll get used to it! You may even like it one day?!" In a competitive sports market ridding your respected, well known and familiar clubs is not wise nor even remotely good business. You actually discard the inherent advantage the code has built up over many decades. You will also find that clubs do come and go however the clubs from 1970s onwards were part of a widely expanding television coverage era which jettisoned these clubs to the sports public far and wide. People admired and passionately disliked clubs for all sorts of reasons. And you would rather see this affinity with the wider general public gone with a fanciful new team concept that has little recognition or established season longtime rivalry? Amazing thought processes going through your mind Doctor? !

Insults arent going to close the gaping holes in your ideas....

If every suburb needs its own team, how can the NRL support 100+ teams?
Or is it just every suburb of Sydney? (one team per city is fine everywhere else, i guess)
If united city teams been so successful everywhere, what makes Sydney so different?

Answer even one of these questions and i might take your drivel seriously...

 

[ed-grimley]

A second Brisbane team is a no-brainer. Bring it on.

 

[Stallion]

Insults arent going to close the gaping holes in your ideas....

If every suburb needs its own team, how can the NRL support 100+ teams?
Or is it just every suburb of Sydney? (one team per city is fine everywhere else, i guess)
If united city teams been so successful everywhere, what makes Sydney so different?

Answer even one of these questions and i might take your drivel seriously...

? Did not state every suburb! The key idea is "Established clubs". People just dont gravitate to a rep team brand the way you are proposing . Not trying to insult. The idea is ludicrous if you think that stacks up against longtime recognisable, culturally significant, real world established club brands! Go figure! You just don't click a finger for that and expect the public to get on board. Clubs are a well earnt culturally significant and identifiable entity that are based on generational rivalries and support. Rep teams just don't cut the mustard in the market place in the way you propose.

 

[axl rose]

Hell even the Crushers averaged 21k in their first season and they were bog ordinary. Then the SL war kicked in and destroyed their averages (as it did with the Broncs too).

Some teams currently would kill for that average. Better than the Broncos average crowds for their last 7 years at wasteland ANZ till they moved back to Suncorp. Crushers were just bad timing, with the Super League war. The likes of Garick Morgan and Mario Fenech were not the smartest signings either. But then they did have a stack of talent in the lower grades and this school kid called Johnathan Thurston on a scholarship.