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jamaman

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Kicking on the last tackle is a weapon, so much so that a lot of teams don't even try to score in their allotted tackles. Last tackle kicks are an attacking option. They can help you score a try or maintain possession. Getting to the kick does not equal failure. Being out of position to defend one does.

I don't remember the instances you mention, I do remember one when Tomkins was up in the line for no reason on 4th or 5th tackle and a try was conceded from the ensuing kick. The reason that caught my eye is cos I can't remember any other fullback making that sort of blunder, it just doesn't happen in the NRL.

Your state that: I'm ok with Tomkins defending up in the line. That formation has led to the teams best defensive run in the comp.

Which implies that it's an actual tactic to have no fullback defending kicks. Lucky none of the other fullbacks and coaches know about this new tactic, let's keep it a Warriors play.

Cappy told him!
 

reykaine

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The incident that you refer to with the kick, the only reason Tompkins came up to plug the gap was because Hurrell was off the field with sore balls. Otherwise he would have been back to defend the kick... He rolled the dice by plugging the gap and it ended badly.
 

sup42

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Kicking on the last tackle is a weapon, so much so that a lot of teams don't even try to score in their allotted tackles. Last tackle kicks are an attacking option. They can help you score a try or maintain possession. Getting to the kick does not equal failure. Being out of position to defend one does.

I don't remember the instances you mention, I do remember one when Tomkins was up in the line for no reason on 4th or 5th tackle and a try was conceded from the ensuing kick. The reason that caught my eye is cos I can't remember any other fullback making that sort of blunder, it just doesn't happen in the NRL.

Your state that: I'm ok with Tomkins defending up in the line. That formation has led to the teams best defensive run in the comp.

Which implies that it's an actual tactic to have no fullback defending kicks. Lucky none of the other fullbacks and coaches know about this new tactic, let's keep it a Warriors play.
Well. We are getting into semantics here.....bit of hair splitting. Clearly it is preferable that the line is intact on the last without requiring Tomkins to fill gaps.

The fact is ( and this is where I don't have a problem with Tomkins filling gaps as they appear even if we get caught at the back ) the Warriors had the 16th poorest defence this year.

That suggest ( and there is the years of watching the Warriors leak ) that their line was anything but intact....there are gaps that appear that need plugging.

To my mind it is the role of the Fullback to read the play.....scramble ( which is why it is called scrambling defense ) and plug gaps as of priority .....otherwise you are screwed before you even start grumbling about where was the Fullback when the ball is kicked......someones already strolled through the yawning gap and dotted down........

Kicking is an offensive weapon , I agree with that , but running through a gap and scoring has a much higher degree of certainty ergo threat to the Warriors were it left to the line defenders to close.

There are no absolutes......it is a situation by situation call, the right decision in every such scenario is to close the hole first....worry about a kick in behind second.

This whole discussion came about out of two specific incidents.

One he was Twenty meters away making a tackle when the Dogs put Graham over on the next play......thereby it was humanly impossible for anyone to get there from Tomkins position.

The other as someone pointed out involved Tomkins coming up to fill a hole for an injured player.....thereby we got done by a kick.

I think our massive improve in defending is primarily driven by attitude and good defensive reads.

We are going very well there , which suggests the holes are being plugged , the scramble and good reads are happening , over seven games. That's the real story.
 
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JJ

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Barba? Have you seen him this season? Most of the time it looks like he doesn't know which direction he should be facing on the field.

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Sorry, but I have to f**king laugh...

Yep, Barba >>>> Tomkins... and Tomkins just made Barba look like Inglis, that takes some effort

Tomkins is ordinary, case closed as far as I am concerned
 

SpaceMonkey

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Getting a bit over Tomkins' errors. Also really underlines what a trackhead Locke is, if he wasn't such a petulant child he could have been pushing to regain his spot at this point. Still glad he's leaving though given his attitude.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Will probably spend the off season packing on a bit of muscle I'd say. He needs to.

Still, nowhere near the shocker people want to make out, but that's what you get when everything is scrutinised to the tiniest detail.
 

Diesel

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He's under the microscope more than any other player in the NRL, after having a season in the NRL and a proper off season he's going to be a lot better next year. Considering some of his errors and most of them are in our 20m, the Warriors are doing pretty good
 

Benek

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That was a shocker from Tomkins today. No doubt he needs to pack on some muscle in the off season. Barba is not a big guy by any means but he made Tomkins look like a fool.

I'm willing to give him a long chance to warm up, but if he's not right by the end of the season I'm very disappointed.
 

JJ

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That attempted tackle on Barba was embarassing.

This... nothing to do with a microscope, or unfair scrutiny, that was simply pathetic and cost 6 pts

These mistakes, or lack of fundamental skills have nothing to do with being in a new team or a new comp - simple one on one tackle with a little guy, Barba IS NOT INGLIS
 

Meth

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I thought Tomkins had a fine game. Sure, the Barba tackle was weak- but everything else was fine
 

JJ

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To an extent it does, sorry - especially if we make the semis, you cannot hand good sides points or opportunities, and he simply does... frequently

Probably every other fullback in the comp makes that tackle... it's not a one off, and it's not getting used to the NRL or the Warriors
 

Meth

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To an extent it does, sorry - especially if we make the semis, you cannot hand good sides points or opportunities, and he simply does... frequently

Probably every other fullback in the comp makes that tackle... it's not a one off, and it's not getting used to the NRL or the Warriors

I've never seen Barba beat a fullback 1 on 1 before
 

JJ

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I've never seen Barba beat a fullback 1 on 1 before

Not with a giant fend and strength you haven't - he beats them with speed, swerve etc - he had no space, and either morphed into Inglis, or Tomkins was flat out incompetent...

Sorry, he makes significant mistakes pretty much every week...

Anyway, I've reached my conclusion, clearly people are split, and I hope I am proven wrong - but these are basic things that ANY fullback should be able to do, and while he's useful on attack, he's no Lockyer in that regard
 

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