Top ten things Rugby owes to league

[ANTiLAG]

Maybe you shouldn't skim read and read the whole thing T-Ba. Or have you not been taught that yet? The thought of a supposed litigator just skim reading astounds me. How about you engage in the debate and bring some logic to their belief instead of going for the power-play popularity contest. Really - for a university medal winner that should be beneath you.

EA Mate, mind telling Mr Lag what I have a degree in? Complete with a University Medal. ;-)

Law Graduates trumping degrees is a bit like that old adage about Ejusdem Generis, except you need to replace the word 'birds' with 'wankers'.

I have no issue with trumping degrees. The funniest thing of all though, is you just did it yourself too. You just trumped your law degree to me with a university medal. Therefore, your ejusdem generis adage is more true for you as it is for me. I never accused you of being a troglodyte lacking the ability to reason. I would have been more impressed if you named the university that awarded the medal. I mean its university specific so moderation of marking accross schools is redundant. According to a friend of mine who is off to teach law in Australia; ANU would be tad more impressive than Bond if you get my drift. That would have been the 'uber' trump. But regardless, the whole point of a professional qualification is to assure people of competence - especially when being questioned. You've already nailed your colours to the mast and I'm impressed that you are a qualified person. Its how the world works. I certainly won't be so rude or envious as to try denying you are what you say you are.

And FYI - Criminal Law is not my field. Commerical is. So I do not care what are the requirements for Police Prosecution are. Also, if you're proclaiming to be such a skilled advocate yourself then I must point out to you that you have assumed I am in Australia. I'm not. So nor do I care for the 'highly unlikely but possible' magistrate lacking a law degree. Shouldn't assume facts, mate. Ruins your chance to effectively cross. So you're already off to a bad start. Jurisdictions aside; as a scholar and practitioner of law you should be well versed where most criminal law ranks in the legal hierarchy and why those participating in, for example, summary offences do not really need high calibre qualifications.

I just skimmed what he's been writing. Jesus Christ what a wank.
I did a couple of summary trials before I completed CoL...And a sh*tload of pleas (my partner was a very important, very lazy man).

So as a bright university medal winning law graduate formerly with a very important man for a partner (I assume this is your supervising partner and not your 'better half'). Important to whom, though. You? Certainly, not me. Talk about 'wank'. Why 'very important'? He lose his importance or is he deceased? Anyway - back on point. Do you think 'toe poking' is better for distance and in certain eras? Do you not think the union converts, especially Ridge, hastened the end of 'toe poking'? Do you not think Botica and Halligan have had a major influence in increasing goal kicking accuracy? Do you not think goal kikcing coaching improves accuracy? Do you not think round the corner is a difficult task to master? Or is it all merely synthetic balls and tees that spelt the end for toe poking? Or you just here for the 'my penis is bigger than yours' game that you yourself accused me of Remember, the key difference is that I never called you a million different unflattering names for disingenious when merely being logical and critical. Yet here you are - flocking to me with your medal Lets see what you've got. A man of your abilities should be able to rescue these 'no hopers' failing arguments. Perhaps you, as a memeber of the institution that gives the common law world the most developed equitable jurisdiction can explain why Australian league kickers were so far behind the times with regards to modern use of toe poking, what insitigated the catch up, and how they actually did catch up more or less to domestic and international Union standards. Either way, I shall enjoy the dispute. I've been dealing with these two unreasonable people too long and you are qualified to be a worthier opponent.

Oh yeah EA - guess who designed the tee most NRL kickers use? I'll give you a hint - his initials are DH and he used to play union in NZ.

'very important person': wank. Uber fail. Maybe if you had been clerking for Kirby...

Really wouldn't brag about doing summary trials by yourself before CoL - seems awfully unethical of both you and your partner competent to hold the retainer to do that. Surely that must be a violation. And if you did it with your partner - not really anything to brag about now is it. Be careful where you 'wank' - could be considered lewd and unlawful.

 

[Loudstrat]

Is the wise man always right? No. He can play the fool! (Ronnie James Dio RIP)

There are many examples of highly educated people being abject nutters. Besides, having a law degree doesn't ask you more of an expert on kicking footballs - as you have so clearly.

What I do is none of your business. Nor does it have anything to do with this thread. And just because you are an arrogant f*ckwit doesn't make you better than anyone else. All you want to do is bag me for not being a lawyer - as though it's the pinnacle of human society. It isn't. As John Becker said of Lawyers "I look forward to the day when we can hunt them"

And to prove that you are just a pathetic dickwad waiting to look down on what I do, rather than tell you that - I'll tell you the WORST things I ever did to get by in life. I once swept streets. I once weeded gardens, once collected rubbish from housing commission estates, and once had a job burying offal - all in adult life. I couldn't be bothered bragging about my education or my occupation just to get into a "my dicks bigger than yours argument" - Mines bigger anyway but that's no great claim considering you are a eunich.

I will tell you that my "field" is in the second biggest employer of human resources worldwide, and without a doubt the most important. And I also hold a position in the legal network as well.

And I saw toepokers like Mick Cronin, John Dorahy, Ken Wilson, Steve Rogers, John Brass and Greame Eadie kick goals from an distance that would give the best rounders nightmares. I am so sorry that Channel Nine didn't broadcast Souths v Easts at the SSG in 1910.

Please realise that you only need a diploma to practice Law. And if you do indeed practice Law, when the f*ck are you going to get it right????

Finally, oh so massively educated one - what sort of legal term is a "widgee"? :lol:

 

[t-ba]

My University degree or experience in the legal field in no way qualifies me to discuss the merits of toe poking v round the corner kickers. Nor do I particularly care. And I'll skim because I don't get up for less than a bowl of cereal in the morning...

What it does qualify me to say is that you need to stop being the stereotypical law wanker. No one is interested in your qualifications or mine. It's a f**king Internet Forum ffs.

 

[El Diablo]

how does a law degree help you kick :?

 

[ANTiLAG]

Besides, having a law degree doesn't ask you more of an expert on kicking footballs - as you have so clearly.

Absolutely not. My round the corner kicking from the right side of the field was horrible. My toe poking was a'ight, though.

What I do is none of your business. Nor does it have anything to do with this thread. And just because you are an arrogant f*ckwit doesn't make you better than anyone else. All you want to do is bag me for not being a lawyer - as though it's the pinnacle of human society.

After the drivel you've said I already pity you. I certainly do not look down on people because of their occupation. Ever. I was merely making a point to you in response to your repeated insults.

And to prove that you are just a pathetic dickwad waiting to look down on what I do, rather than tell you that - I'll tell you the WORST things I ever did to get by in life. I once swept streets. I once weeded gardens, once collected rubbish from housing commission estates, and once had a job burying offal - all in adult life.

All understandable mate. I spent time in call centres and worked as a builder's labourer. Not a builder - but a labourer. I dug ditches and bore post holes for fences. Not pleasant work. Although some days small demolition gigs was really enjoyable.

I couldn't be bothered bragging about my education or my occupation just to get into a "my dicks bigger than yours argument" - Mines bigger anyway but that's no great claim considering you are a eunich.

You missed the point. I'm proud that I got to a top university and I resented having the skills learnt and the efforts I have gone through to get into this profession belittled and/or denied.

I will tell you that my "field" is in the second biggest employer of human resources worldwide, and without a doubt the most important. And I also hold a position in the legal network as well.

Intriguing. I would have thought the most important is healthcare but I wouldn't think that was the second largest employer. Even education seems to be too small to be the second largest employer. Wider civil services perhaps? I would have thought the two biggest employers of human resources would be factories and government. In the western world, sales (including retail, marketing and corporate) would possibly trump government. I certainly cannot off the top of my head figure it out. I guess in post-feminist-politically-correct times domestic services such as child rearing could be up there.

Please realise that you only need a diploma to practice Law. And if you do indeed practice Law, when the f*ck are you going to get it right????

Mate you live in Australia - I am not an expert on your rules of practice but they are probably determined state jurisidiction by state jurisidiction with mutual recognition standards but there may be a federal body. But I think you'll find that the post graduate diploma of legal practice - also known as profs - is a necessary element in conjunction with a law degree to be admitted to the professional body and thus be granted the license (cert) to practice. To be admitted to a post grad diploma entitling one to practice would have a prerequisite of an Bacher of Laws (LLB) or Juris Doctor(JD). If not, Australia would be the only place I've heard of where a diploma is sufficient in the common law world since the days of devilling when law was taught by the barristers on the job and not a university subject. After a quick check it would appear I am presumably correct with my assumption per http://www.cald.asn.au/slia/Practising.htm. But that's not gospel. So presumably you got it wrong, again, or an Australian state or the country as a whole has a very weird system. Personally I think you'll find the degree is a prerequisite to admission in every state to post grad diploma to practice law in order to obtain a practice cert. It would be very odd that a diploma in essentially procedure, briefing and drafting would entitle someone to practice law when they have not been taught to read, write (ILAC) or research law, yet.

Finally, oh so massively educated one - what sort of legal term is a "widgee"?

Its not. Its the phoenetic spelling of 'ouija'.

 

[ANTiLAG]

My University degree or experience in the legal field in no way qualifies me to discuss the merits of toe poking v round the corner kickers. Nor do I particularly care. And I'll skim because I don't get up for less than a bowl of cereal in the morning...

But my learned friend, it does qualify you to comprehend, be reasonable and logical, construct an arugment and critically analyse arguments.

What it does qualify me to say is that you need to stop being the stereotypical law wanker. No one is interested in your qualifications or mine. It's a f**king Internet Forum ffs.

Yet you told me yours too - medal and all. Looks like you're on your own boys. The hired gun wants cereal at least. Whatever happened to pro bono eh? Personally, I think its because he realises your 'case' is a loser.

 

[ANTiLAG]

how does a law degree help you kick :?

It doesn't - my kicking from the right side of the field is horrible. But a good law degree does confirm that you're a critical thinker.

 

[El Diablo]

aren't you from NZ?

 

[ANTiLAG]

Originally. I qualify as British, too. Guess that would make me a sheep shagging whinger?

 

[El Diablo]

with serious mental geniusation

 

[ANTiLAG]

Are you a doctor (MD)?

 

[El Diablo]

check the yellow pages for one

 

[Loudstrat]

Absolutely not. My round the corner kicking from the right side of the field was horrible. My toe poking was a'ight, though.

Funny, so was Cronin's

After the drivel you've said I already pity you. I certainly do not look down on people because of their occupation. Ever. I was merely making a point to you in response to your repeated insults.

All that did was just prove that you were a demented dribbling git with a law degree

All understandable mate. I spent time in call centres and worked as a builder's labourer. Not a builder - but a labourer. I dug ditches and bore post holes for fences. Not pleasant work. Although some days small demolition gigs was really enjoyable.

That response takes you up a few notches - you endured the sh*t. Good on you.

You missed the point. I'm proud that I got to a top university and I resented having the skills learnt and the efforts I have gone through to get into this profession belittled and/or denied.

You brought it up on an internet forum - what did you expect? Floral wreaths placed around your neck by bare breasted 16 year old Tongan beauties?

Intriguing. I would have thought the most important is healthcare but I wouldn't think that was the second largest employer. Even education seems to be too small to be the second largest employer. Wider civil services perhaps? I would have thought the two biggest employers of human resources would be factories and government. In the western world, sales (including retail, marketing and corporate) would possibly trump government. I certainly cannot off the top of my head figure it out. I guess in post-feminist-politically-correct times domestic services such as child rearing could be up there.

Around 2005 it got pipped from first place by the hospitality sector for the first time ever - and I mean since stone age. The only one essential to human survival (apart from mobile phone manufacturing....!)

Mate you live in Australia - I am not an expert on your rules of practice but they are probably determined state jurisidiction by state jurisidiction with mutual recognition standards but there may be a federal body. But I think you'll find that the post graduate diploma of legal practice - also known as profs - is a necessary element in conjunction with a law degree to be admitted to the professional body and thus be granted the license (cert) to practice. To be admitted to a post grad diploma entitling one to practice would have a prerequisite of an Bacher of Laws (LLB) or Juris Doctor(JD). If not, Australia would be the only place I've heard of where a diploma is sufficient in the common law world since the days of devilling when law was taught by the barristers on the job and not a university subject. After a quick check it would appear I am presumably correct with my assumption per http://www.cald.asn.au/slia/Practising.htm. But that's not gospel. So presumably you got it wrong, again, or an Australian state or the country as a whole has a very weird system. Personally I think you'll find the degree is a prerequisite to admission in every state to post grad diploma to practice law in order to obtain a practice cert. It would be very odd that a diploma in essentially procedure, briefing and drafting would entitle someone to practice law when they have not been taught to read, write (ILAC) or research law, yet.

My bloke - one of two partners - has a teaching degree, and got into legal practice with an undergraduate diploma. No, he's not on the path to be a QC, but he's doing ok.

Its not. Its the phoenetic spelling of 'ouija'.

The phonetic spelling of 'ouija' would be 'weeja'

Doesn't matter - EA got his mileage out of that one

 

[ANTiLAG]

Around 2005 it got pipped from first place by the hospitality sector for the first time ever - and I mean since stone age. The only one essential to human survival (apart from mobile phone manufacturing....!)

Farming and/or food production? Hospitality is that high? *Astounded*You are talking employment and not GDP right?

My bloke - one of two partners - has a teaching degree, and got into legal practice with an undergraduate diploma. No, he's not on the path to be a QC, but he's doing ok.

Yeah sometimes employment courts or specialist tribunals have seperate requirements for rights of audience. Often does not enable one to higher rights of audience in appellate courts, however. Nor ever be a trustee of a solicitors account without another specialist diploma. I think you'll find your friend is a legal executive which would mean he can charge fee's and do lawyer work - but isn't actually a barrister or a solicitor but can be called a lawyer. If so, I don't think he could ever become a QC or a barrister for that matter (almost certain he cannot for England and Wales) but can be in partnership with a solicitor. But - if he wanted to become a solicitor, if possible depending on jurisdiction, he would require more diplomas and training - by which time after all those accrued diplomas and certificates plus practical experience - he has a degree equivalent. Either way - your friend still has a degree which could also be a factor from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. If you can - ask him, I'm curious. Legal execs are rare in the boutiques, medium and large firms. A couple of years ago I worked for a firm that had one out of 50. He had started off working for the British government in the health sector - personal injury claims and after time made the natural progression to public (councils) commercial negligence liability - but he had to do some papers at uni first to qualify for working at that work. Weird restrictions and requirements which greatly vary between jurisdictions. Often a big headache for all involved as to what they can and cannot do.

The phonetic spelling of 'ouija' would be 'weeja'

Nah - the ja is German and the oui is French. It would be 'wee-yah'. Except it is more commonly pronunciated as 'wid-gie' or 'wee-jie'. "Weejie" has actually become a commonly accepted spelling of it in English speaking countries. I considered saying that earlier but either way I'm sure EA would have informed I had still spelt it wrong

 

[Loudstrat]

It's wee-ja. Admit you were wrong and stop planning an appeal. Let it go ffs!

My bloke is listed as a solicitor in the white pages. He worked out of local courts.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

I hope people don't use antilag as a model representative for all university blokes here.
Really, we're not all arrogant wankers who develop a hard-on for Kiwi union converts, around the corner kicking and 'widgee'.

No, definately not.

He's a certain type, seen it 1,000 times. Everyone should hang on his every word because he's been to Uni. You can pick them within 30 seconds generally. They're fun to interview simply because they automatically believe that you have no choice but to employ them.

They forget that going to uni mean doesn't mean you don't have to earn respect when you get out.

This bloke is a prime example.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Everlast - embarrassed of your life story? Oh dear. Maybe you should choose a career where you're not embarrassed to say what it is.

Whatever you think is fine by me.

You haven't said yours by the way.

Let me guess why? :lol:

And please tell us oh why wise one - why did people take 40-50 years (only 30 in union) to take up round the corner kicking after Willie Horne?

Yeah.... that's actually a question you've been asked a few times.

I'll give your answer;

It was too hard to learn.

Because he was a pioneer who did not teach people is the obvious answer. I would love to hear your explanation...

:lol:

You actually do think you're more intelligent and know more about the game than all the coaches of the eras that didn't use around the corner kickers.

Go on then, how many teams have you coached at the highest grade and how many kickers have you taught to kick?

I'll guess..... 0.

And you still have not answered what levels of league are you watching presently with the toe poke? Golden Oldies or under 8's?

You didn't ask to my knowledge. Feel free to correct me.

Maybe you could use a widgee board to help you find where you did?

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Double post.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

No - It is law degree with honours thankyou very much. Calling someone with a law with honours degree a whole host of adjectives for below average intelligence or not understanding logic, arguments or reasoning is a fail.

You may want to at least know a bit about ratio decidendi, stare decisis, canons of construction and the common law's greatest hits (Donahue v Stevenson, CCSU, ICS and the equity cases of High Trees and my favourite Australian case Diprose v Louth) before 'trying' it to people at the pub. You'd be surprised just how curious people can become thus ask you questions about the law. Better yet, go get a law degree and just be honest to people at the pub.

:lol:

Funniest post ever.

Let me guess, you're a Podiatrist?

You should leave, now, for your own good. This is only going to get worse for you.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

League Unlimited.

Life story central.