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ANTiLAG

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Everlast, I'm, sorry you didn't have the intellectual capacity or means, let alone the drive to get to university and study a science such as physics or a humanity such as philosophy, but to defend toe poking in any era with regards round the corner is ridiculous and plain stupid. If you had got to a professional level of study, you'd have developed an ability to reason critically and realise this, or fallen by the wayside. But you didn't and thus you continually miss the point.

Now I am pleased for you that you spell 'ouija' but concerned you do not know what a spelling mistake is. Spelling a word out phoenetically is probally the second most common type of spelling mistake to typos. To be honest, I do not care I spelt the word phoenetically to you. One - you must be use to people not caring less about how they present their communication to you by now. Two - I'm surprised you know the spelling of a 19th century trademarked product with a hybrid French and German name. Three - writing to you does not necessitate me spell checking or looking through a dictionary because you're not worth the effort. Four - You got the intended meaning thus my idea was effectively communicated to you and no harm done. Thus you still got the benefit of my clear expression, even if it was spelt incorrectly. Now I do not know what your industry is, and good for you for being industrious and entreprenuerial, but my industry involves among other things reading and comprehension, process data into information, and critically analyse and construct arguments. I mean you no insult but believe me, you clearly just do not get it.

You appear to have the processing skills of an pre-enlightenment styled ignoramus being who is doctrinally engrained, the modern equivalent of which is commonly a religiously fundamental who would refute inductively prooved Darwinian arugments and still believe in divine creation till offered deductive proof for alternative claims. Except this is physics, and there is deductive proof - but you'd still deny it and claim to know more than the last 20 years of goal kickers, sport scientists and coaches who widely implement this superior method of round the corner. Round the corner kicks have more accuracy (through use of instep) and more distance (through use of hip movement) but you try to say its era specific. Its not - its a human body kicking a ball. Any ball, made of any material, on any ground, with or without a tee, sand or just a garss divet. Not only do you deny the decuctive evidence, you also deny the inductive evidence which refutes all your ridiculous claims beyond reasonable doubt, such as A Johns utilising D Halligan's coaching to kick round the corner better. Coaching helps round the corner kickers improve to greater auccuracy. Its a difficult task to perfect, much like a golf swing is. If it weren't common sense to you then I've offered the conclusive evidence.

I feel very sad for you that there must be so many things in life you cannot understand. It must be very frustrating for you. Still - you have your own business where uneducated people are useful to society.This is still commendable, even if it is not a service offered of the literal professions and a mere occupation. Good for you. I'd hate to think anyone who been through years of higher level education to sharpen their thought processes should have to work for a inconsistent and blunt sledge-hammer like you. It would be cruel and uncommon punishment for a sharp thinker to have to work for an intellectually-short-man such as yourself who possesses a chip on his shoulder toward the intelligent and educated because he lacks the ability to reason and understand.

League was behind the times with limited use and success of round-the-corner kicking in the 1980's compared to union. Round the corner did not come after synthetic balls, tees and manicured grounds - it came before. This a key fact you manage to miss and ignore. Another one is that if manicured grounds (stable footing - more essential for toe poking as you're not stabilising your balance by pivoting on a foot), tees (merely placing the ball ready to be kicked) and synthetic balls offered a significant advantage to kicking accuracy, those very same advantages would be of benefit to toe pokers as well, thus if it was a better technique it would still be used today. Toe poking is not used today, though. The advantages of quality round the corner kicking over toe poking was widely accepted and became the norm well before synthetic balls, tees, and manicured grounds. League has subsequently caught up to other codes thanks in a large part to the success of Ridge and subsequent work of people such as Halligan and Botica. Its plain and simple. Your inabaility to grasp this I think your could blame on your lack of education, but personally at your age, I think its just your very limited intelligence.
 
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manoj p

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What a wank...

:lol:

Back to the thread, union also clearly pinched leagues.

The idea of union is to play lots of challenge matches; they pinched the idea of playing rugby leagues from which sport?

Lollipop for the winner...
 
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Everlast, I'm, sorry you didn't have the intellectual capacity or means, let alone the drive to get to university and study a science such as physics or a humanity such as philosophy, but to defend toe poking in any era with regards round the corner is ridiculous and plain stupid.

You seem to think there is some testing stuff in keeping up with you.

There isn’t.

If you had got to a professional level of study, you'd have developed an ability to reason critically and realise this, or fallen by the wayside. But you didn't and thus you continually miss the point.

If you’re the product of a “professional level of study” I’m more than happy to have missed it.

But thanks for your concern.

Now I am pleased for you that you spell 'ouija' but concerned you do not know what a spelling mistake is. Spelling a word out phoenetically is probally the second most common type of spelling mistake to typos. To be honest, I do not care I spelt the word phoenetically to you.

Well you do, otherwise the debate regarding your stupidity and the word “widgee” would have petered out long ago.

You will have to do something here that you have never had to do before, you have to lose the ego.

Good luck with that. LOL

One - you must be use to people not caring less about how they present their communication to you by now.

It’s not the only error you’ve made by the way, you’ve made plenty of spelling errors/typos but I’ve let them slide, as I would expect one to allow mine to slide.

But “widgee” for “ouija” goes well past acceptable levels of stupidity in this form of communication. If you are intending to take the intellectual high ground in an argument, you must hold yourself to higher levels than your adversary.

You don’t because you can’t.

Two - I'm surprised you know the spelling of a 19th century trademarked product with a hybrid French and German name.

But…but you’re the one with the professional education? lmao

Congratulations on working out how to find the etymology of the word ouija by the way. For you, that's impressive. Makes one wonder why you couldn't think to look up the word in the dictionary earlier though.... Which makes it less impressive.

Three - writing to you does not necessitate me spell checking or looking through a dictionary because you're not worth the effort.

Well you should because this post is embarrassing coming from someone who has been “professionally educated”. It's not the only embarrassing one by the way.

Four - You got the intended meaning thus my idea was effectively communicated to you and no harm done.

You’re assuming that I instantly knew that when you said “widgee” you meant “ouija”?

You’re right, I did.

I’m that good.

Thus you still got the benefit of my clear expression, even if it was spelt incorrectly. Now I do not know what your industry is, and good for you for being industrious and entreprenuerial,

I must stop you there.

You gave me some benefit, a laugh. But it wasn’t the content that gave me a laugh.

but my industry involves among other things reading and comprehension, process data into information, and critically analyse and construct arguments. I mean you no insult but believe me, you clearly just do not get it.

My industry involves the same. I’m getting the impression that we’re in similar industries at a similar level.

Which would kill you wouldn’t it.

You appear to have the processing skills of an pre-enlightenment styled ignoramus being who is doctrinally engrained, the modern equivalent of which is commonly a religiously fundamental who would refute inductively prooved Darwinian arugments and still believe in divine creation till offered deductive proof for alternative claims.

Again, you’re trying in this post to belittle me by using what you would consider your superior intellect.

It would be closer to working if you had spelt proved and arguments correctly. You have to learn to take that extra few seconds to show that you’re intellectually superior. Just saying it won’t cut the mustard chum.

To show you what a good person I am though, forget MS Word, you PM me your posts and I’ll proof read them for you.

Except this is physics, and there is deductive proof - but you'd still deny it and claim to know more than the last 20 years of goal kickers, sport scientists and coaches who widely implement this superior method of round the corner. Round the corner kicks have more accuracy (through use of instep) and more distance (through use of hip movement) but you try to say its era specific. Its not - its a human body kicking a ball. Any ball, made of any material, on any ground, with or without a tee, sand or just a garss divet. Not only do you deny the decuctive evidence, you also deny the inductive evidence which refutes all your ridiculous claims beyond reasonable doubt, such as A Johns utilising D Halligan's coaching to kick round the corner better. Coaching helps round the corner kickers improve to greater auccuracy. Its a difficult task to perfect, much like a golf swing is. If it weren't common sense to you then I've offered the conclusive evidence.

Physics was around well before around the corner kickers.

Around the corner kickers existed, it could have been taught without too much fuss to NSWRL kickers but it wasn’t until the mid-1980s’ to any degree.

What part of that still confuses you?

And it’s grass divot, deductive and accuracy. Sorry, just honing my proof reading skills in advance.

I feel very sad for you that there must be so many things in life you cannot understand.

Yes, thanks for that. LOL

It must be very frustrating for you.

Not at all, I have a great life. I wouldn’t swap it for anyone else’s.

Still - you have your own business where uneducated people are useful to society.

Where did I say I have my own business?

This is still commendable, even if it is not a service offered of the literal professions and a mere occupation. Good for you. I'd hate to think anyone who been through years of higher level education to sharpen their thought processes should have to work for a inconsistent and blunt sledge-hammer like you. It would be cruel and uncommon punishment for a sharp thinker to have to work for an intellectually-short-man such as yourself who possesses a chip on his shoulder toward the intelligent and educated because he lacks the ability to reason and understand.

Now that just looks really stupid. You made an assumption, you were incorrect and now you’re babbling on like Rain Man harping on about QANTAS.

When I interview people to work with me, guys like you generally spend more time impressing themselves on the employment application than they do being interviewed.

I'm sure you've heard the expression "We'll call you" more than a couple of times.

League was behind the times with limited use and success of round-the-corner kicking in the 1980's compared to union.

Here we go again.

No, it wasn’t. Toepoking was fine in the eras it was used in as the main form of goalkicking in the NSWRL.

Round the corner did not come after synthetic balls, tees and manicured grounds - it came before.

I didn’t say it did.

You have real trouble reading what’s actually been written don’t you?

This a key fact you manage to miss and ignore.

No, it isn’t key.

Another one is that if manicured grounds (stable footing - more essential for toe poking as you're not stabilising your balance by pivoting on a foot), tees (merely placing the ball ready to be kicked) and synthetic balls offered a significant advantage to kicking accuracy, those very same advantages would be of benefit to toe pokers as well, thus if it was a better technique it would still be used today.

No. It's not just one of the things I mentioned, it's a combination of them.

Toe poking is not used today, though.

How many times do I have to say it?

I think this is time # 5.

Toepoking is around, it’s just not where you're looking.

The advantages of quality round the corner kicking over toe poking was widely accepted and became the norm well before synthetic balls, tees, and manicured grounds.

Not in the NSWRL.

League has subsequently caught up to other codes thanks in a large part to the success of Ridge and subsequent work of people such as Halligan and Botica.

You keep saying Botica, Mr 5 games. Is that you Frano?

He is was and always will be a NSWRL Rugby League nobody just like every other 5 games or bloke who made a few quid by teaching players how to kick around the corner.

In the annals of Rugby League history, Botica won’t even be worthy of a footnote.

Sorry to tell you that Frano.

Its plain and simple.Your inabaility to grasp this I think your could blame on your lack of education, but personally at your age, I think its just your very limited intelligence.

Oh trust me, it’s much simpler than you think.

Limited intelligence maybe, but more than enough to keep a bozo like you occupied for as long as is required.

I guess that “professionally educated” intellect of yours is missing a few things to do with commonsense. To be fair though, in my experience that’s a fairly standard problem with University-educated people. It takes a few years to beat it out (metaphorically) of them and I’m guessing you missed out on that part. Pity, you really needed it.

What you should do is sue the University you went to and punch everyone you’ve ever worked for or with since the day you left Uni. They deserve it.
 
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ANTiLAG

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Dear oh dear. You really are ignorant. You'd really think toe poking is superior on leather balls, without a tee on dodgy grounds. What were Willie Horne, John Gray, and Ridge before the transfer to synthetic thinking doing round the corner, they should have been poking at 50-60%. And Fox, Lynagh, Porta, Bootha, Hastings, Paul Thorburn. They really missed the boat. Oh let me guess - the difference in shape of steeden vs adidas makes ALL the difference. Well not to Ridge anyway. He made his name for himself with a leather ball in the NSWRL.

Any ball. Any ground. Any equipment or lack thereof. Round the corner is better, thus toe poking is extinct. If toe poking was the superior technique - it would be used with tees, on manicured grounds with synthetic balls. Oh wait it apparently is in some weird games you watch? What games are those? Golden Oldies? So while you rally around your team to get another toe poker Halligan will continue to teach Luke Burt. What do they know?

But I'll bite - what is your occupation involving arguments similar to my level in a similar industry without necessary university qualification Mr Does Not own his own business? Because the only thing I think you're good for in my industry without qulaification (there is one for you) is to proof read my subs for typos and do dictation. You are that good that you would get the phoentic words in the recording and spell them correctly. Not that there is anything wrong with that occupation - just the extent at which in my industry you can go with no university qualification. Can you photocopy?
 
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Loudstrat

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Antilag - just give up.

The league wrld has had many laughs at your dememnted view on goal kicking. The latest - What would Ricky Stuart know about kicking footballs - EVER HEARD OF KICKING IN GENERAL PLAY YOU DUMB F*CK???? But only goal kickers kick with their feet-is that your reply?

Pity you have to crap on about mythical degrees in every post to give some indication that you are intelligent, because no way would anyone think you had any intelligence from your posts! :lol:
 
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Dear oh dear. You really are ignorant. You'd really think toe poking is superior on leather balls, without a tee on dodgy grounds. What were Willie Horne, John Gray, and Ridge before the transfer to synthetic thinking doing round the corner, they should have been poking at 50-60%. And Fox, Lynagh, Porta, Bootha, Hastings, Paul Thorburn. They really missed the boat. Oh let me guess - the difference in shape of steeden vs adidas makes ALL the difference. Well not to Ridge anyway. He made his name for himself with a leather ball in the NSWRL.

You forgot to mention Botica.

Do I have to write your posts for you now?

And no. If Willie Horne's way was so great, why did it take another 40 - 50 years to get taken up in any numbers.

We'll make that question rhetorical to save your blushes shall we. The answer is there but you just can't bring yourself to say it.

Any ball. Any ground. Any equipment or lack thereof. Round the corner is better, thus toe poking is extinct. If toe poking was the superior technique - it would be used with tees, on manicured grounds with synthetic balls. Oh wait it apparently is in some weird games you watch? What games are those? Golden Oldies? So while you rally around your team to get another toe poker Halligan will continue to teach Luke Burt. What do they know?

Sure, and what would every NSWRL coach prior to John Gray's arrival know.

Oh wait, they knew it was too hard to teach around the corner.... :lol:

But I'll bite - what is your occupation involving arguments on my level without necessary university qualification Mr Does not own his own business?

Pfft, if you want a life story, you're asking the wrong person. But feel free to regale us with stories of your achievments in your chosen field. I'm sure you're something like CEO of BHP by now with your massive intellect.

Cretin.
 

mrpwnd

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I hope people don't use antilag as a model representative for all university blokes here.
Really, we're not all arrogant wankers who develop a hard-on for Kiwi union converts, around the corner kicking and 'widgee'.
 

Loudstrat

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Of course not.

People who quote their university degrees (and usually something alluding to law) repeatedly on forums are usually desperate to gain cred. Generally, something follows about a large expensive car and a mega hot woman. We all remember PBB.

Antiknob's reality is more likely yr 8 special ed.
 

ANTiLAG

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Loudstrat we're talking about goal kicking. Not kicking in general play. You're wayyy off the mark with that one Dumb dumb.

Everlast - embarrassed of your life story? Oh dear. Maybe you should choose a career where you're not embarrassed to say what it is. :)

And please tell us oh why wise one - why did people take 40-50 years (only 30 in union) to take up round the corner kicking after Willie Horne?

Because he was a pioneer who did not teach people is the obvious answer. I would love to hear your explanation...

And you still have not answered what levels of league are you watching presently with the toe poke? Golden Oldies or under 8's?
 
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ANTiLAG

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Of course not.

People who quote their university degrees (and usually something alluding to law) repeatedly on forums are usually desperate to gain cred.
Antilag's reality is year 8 special ed...

Sorry Freud - I drive a small car.

Degrees are qualifications, to be qualified of the skills taught is to have credibility. Its why people study to be qualified in professional fields. It gives them credibility to reassure the client or patient. Sorry, you're falling short. But yes - I am proud of my occupation and my qualifications. I'm glad I put all that effort in to get where I am, and where I am going, because "Trust me - I'm a natural genius who does not need university" just does not cut it these days and certainly won't have you admitted to the bar.

I love the year 8 special ed comment... Your denial displays envy to me. Don't worry, from what I've seen on this forum over the years Dumb dumb, you never had the chops to be a lawyer.
 
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Loudstrat

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So now the entire career of Mick Cronin was played in the under 8's?

I have had more intelligent conversations with small pieces of sheep turd after a couple of bottles of Wild Turkey that I have had with you. It is more possible to train a pygmies ear wax to reverse park a B-Double than to make you understand simple points about kicking.

If a change in ball structure, shape and material alters how it behaves when kicked in general play - how the hell does that not apply to place kicks? :lol:

You do realise that we keep this conversation going because it continues to incite you to expose to the world how f*cking brainless you are.

Yes, you will reply with some cutting edge insult like "dumb dumb". Yes, your spermatozoa will continue to wonder why on earth you expect it to fertilise with a pic of Matthew Ridge every hour or so, when the last pics have never gotten pregnant. Yes, you will somehow find a way to claim that Churchill and Langlands were nuffies because they were toe pokers, and hold some unheard of Kiwi Union player up as though he is a cross between Bradman, Federer, Ali, Niklaus and Hindmarsh.

At least I hope so. I enjoy a good laugh.
 

Loudstrat

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Sorry Freud - I drive a small car.

Degrees are qualifications, to be qualified of the skills taught is to have credibility. Its why people study to be qualified in professional fields. It gives them credibility to reassure the client or patient. Sorry, you're falling short. But yes - I am proud of my occupation and my qualifications. I'm glad I put all that effort in to get where I am, and where I am going, because "Trust me - I'm a natural genius who does not need university" just does not cut it these days and certainly won't have you admitted to the bar.
The only qualification needed for the only bar you'd ever be admitted to is to have your fly done up.
I love the year 8 special ed comment... Your denial displays envy to me. Don't worry, from what I've seen on this forum over the years Dumb dumb, you never had the chops to be a lawyer.
I never wanted the "chops" to be a lawyer.

And you haven't got them either.

In Australia we call them solicitors. Only gumby work-for-the-dole schemers who think they are smart because they watch Law and Order call them "lawyers" :lol:
 
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ANTiLAG

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Wow: you are in denial. Guess my chosen profession and qualifications irk you so much you deny that it is possible. Deary me. Not only do I have the chops, I've proven I do.

In Australia lawyers are not titled solicitors solely as this would exclude barristers as lawyers. Barristers are most certainly lawyers. So to are 'barristers and solicitors'. By the way - lawyers in the US as depicted in Law & Order should be referred to as attorneys as opposed to barrister or solicitors or both. Anyone who is admitted to the bar or holding a practising certificate (sometimes both necessary) in any recognised jurisdiction is a lawyer. Often legal academics are called lawyers even when never having been on the roll. I think if you're struck off or disbarred you can still refer to yourself as a lawyer - just not a practising one.

So that's me. How about Dumb dumb - what field did/do you apply your intellectual mettle too? You have never answered my question.
 
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ANTiLAG

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No - It is law degree with honours thankyou very much. Calling someone with a law with honours degree a whole host of adjectives for below average intelligence or not understanding logic, arguments or reasoning is a fail.

You may want to at least know a bit about ratio decidendi, stare decisis, canons of construction and the common law's greatest hits (Donahue v Stevenson, CCSU, ICS and the equity cases of High Trees and my favourite Australian case Diprose v Louth) before 'trying' it to people at the pub. You'd be surprised just how curious people can become thus ask you questions about the law. Better yet, go get a law degree and just be honest to people at the pub. :)
 

t-ba

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EA Mate, mind telling Mr Lag what I have a degree in? Complete with a University Medal. ;-)

Law Graduates trumping degrees is a bit like that old adage about Ejusdem Generis, except you need to replace the word 'birds' with 'wankers'.
 

perverse

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and suddenly we're in the bar scene from good will hunting...

anyone want a drink? my shout.
 
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t-ba

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I just skimmed what he's been writing. Jesus Christ what a wank.

FYI mate, you can be made a Magistrate without a degree (f**king hard, but it isn't outside the realms of possibility). You can be a Police Prosecutor without a degree...I did a couple of summary trials before I completed CoL...And a sh*tload of pleas (my partner was a very important, very lazy man).

Much Advocacy in your job mate?

Perverse - Dime a dozen in this field mate. The amount of times I've wanted to smash my head through a table beggars belief.
 

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