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Commercial punk is still punk.
Commercial punk is still punk.
Oh and Bad Religion are just about the greatest band in existance.
Well thats your issue right there.
Propagandhi are one of the most politically motivated bands i have heard, but along with them bands such as the clash and the dead kennedys are obvious bands who wrote songs with alot of substance. NOFX when they were at their peak, around the ribbed - white trash two heebs and a bean - punk in drublic era were supurb. Had their share of 'jokey' type songs but also had some very well written songs, musically and lyrically. Even my favourite band of all time, Frenzal Rhomb, have some songs with some decent social commentary (although they also have alot of jokey type music). If you want to get into the darker side have a listen to the Subhumans, very moody lyrics but pretty well put together. And if you want to class At The Drive-in as a punk/hardcore band they are right up there also. Rise Against, especially Revolutions per Minute, is another excellent example of some meaningful punk rock. Stiff Little Fingers are a brilliant Northern Irish band who convey some anger in their music.
Punk has long been my favourite genre of music, and it was the happy go lucky punk that first got me into the music, stuff like blink. Once you hear that and decide to explore the genre past these 'gateway' bands you find alot of excellent work. I dont think any other genre quite captures the raw energy of music like punk, and it came about as a reaction to the self indulgance of early 70's rock n roll.
And yet their is also the fun side to it, with bands like The Descendents who really wrote the copy book on good pop-punk, Milo Goes to College being of the finest albums released. Screeching Weasel and the Meanies are other good examples of really high quality pop punk music.
The no substance comment is pretty rediculous IMO. I personally think stuff like Muse is where you go for no substance, decent music, not particularly my cup of tea, but generally wanky lyrics and not much too it. Silverchair are the epitome of no substance. Michael Jackson was no substance. I see electro as being music of no substance, because having seen a bit of it live half the bloody show is about the visuals, the stage show etc, the entertainment factor rather than the music itself, and that is what I cant stand (Lights and Music by Cut Copy sums up the genre IMO, there is not much too it other than those two things). Im sure there are exceptions because I sure as f**k havent explored it fully because the music does not appeal to me. I just think that stuff such as the presets, cut copy is pretty rubbishy.
Just listened to Propagandhi and I swear I've heard their songs done a million times before by other Punk groups. The genre just fails to evolve and everything derives from the mind of Strummer.
Musically is where punk fails to deliver. Lyrically it can deliver at times, but musically "it's all been done". Electro on the other hand is continually evolving in that department. Up until their last album, Muse were exploring new ways to present rock and roll with their sound and trying to reach all kinds of demographic with their synthetic rock. They've always been weak lyrically though - not terribly weak mind you but they're certainly no Lennon (although, I doubt they'd want to be, they'd want to be more Mercury if anything).
Fish Eel, ask any major publication, they'll tell you Greenday, The Offspring and Blink 182 was where punk was at in the 90's...unfortunately.
Bingo, it was an average year. Not all modern music is crap (although personally electronica sh*ts me no end) but it was a very average year for music anyway, when mumford and sons look like topping the charts with a song which is popular because people love to say f**k.
And the best release of the year (Propagandhi) have no songs on the main list.
Just listened to Propagandhi and I swear I've heard their songs done a million times before by other Punk groups. The genre just fails to evolve and everything derives from the mind of Strummer.
Musically is where punk fails to deliver. Lyrically it can deliver at times, but musically "it's all been done". Electro on the other hand is continually evolving in that department. Up until their last album, Muse were exploring new ways to present rock and roll with their sound and trying to reach all kinds of demographic with their synthetic rock. They've always been weak lyrically though - not terribly weak mind you but they're certainly no Lennon (although, I doubt they'd want to be, they'd want to be more Mercury if anything).
Fish Eel, ask any major publication, they'll tell you Greenday, The Offspring and Blink 182 was where punk was at in the 90's...unfortunately.
Gee Pete, quit with the generalizations.
Everyone has different opinions on what is good and bad music, but it seems you have listened to a couple of sh*tty "punk" bands and concluded that the entire genre is tripe. You need to look harder and deeper, cause there is a lot to like.
Look beyond what is considered mainstream and you will hit gold.
Gee Pete, quit with the generalizations.
Everyone has different opinions on what is good and bad music, but it seems you have listened to a couple of sh*tty "punk" bands and concluded that the entire genre is tripe. You need to look harder and deeper, cause there is a lot to like.
Look beyond what is considered mainstream and you will hit gold.
Punk's a decent genre that's got a few awesome bands attatched to it, but generally the music IS poor and cheap - like a take away dinner and isn't the brand of music many claim it is.
A listen to Rancid will change your opinion on that. Add some Dropkick Murphys in for good measure, and maybe a little bit of The Hives. The Transplants will set you in good stead too.
I can see where you're coming from though. Unless they look hard enough, the average person is only exposed to the alleged "punk" that makes it to commercial radio, craptastic bands such as All-American Rejects, Simple Plan, Sum 41, Fountains of Wayne, Fall Out Boy, and I could go on forever here.
The point is not that punk as a genre is poor, but that it has been bastardised beyond all recognition by record companies and commercial radio so that most people don't even know what it is anymore. They've even tried to pass off Pink as punk... please. I know she's collaborated with Tim Armstrong, but so what?
This bastardised version of punk, which is really no more than pop with guitars and a whiny voice, is absolutely everything that you describe. Look deeper though and you'll find some absolutely amazing bands that far surpass anything that's commercially successful.
Oh and the songs I voted for:
Muse - Resistance
Something With Numbers - Sex On Fire/Hits From The Bong
Rancid - Last One To Die
Dead Letter Circus - The Space On The Wall
Grinspoon - Run
Billy Talent - Rusted From The Rain
Kasabian - Fast Fuse
Weezer - I Want You To
Drapht - Where Ya From
Phoenix - Fences
WTF Skeepe?
Fountains of Wayne are a great band (one of my favourites) with some really good songs, but being labelled punk? Who has ever done that? They'd wet their pants laughing if someone told them they were 'punk'....
Throwing FOW in with the bands who are 'no more than pop with guitars and a whiny voice' tells me you havent really listened to much of them at all. Nothing whiny about them in the least. Just classic, big star influenced guirat driven pop with a sense of humour and tongues planted firmly in their cheeks.
Everything else you said about 'bastardised version of punk' is on the money though. There's more to being a punk band than looking like one and sounding like one....