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TV rights thread part 4

BuffaloRules

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my understanding is that this conversation has already taken place, NRL acting CEO a few weeks ago came out and said as much with him suggesting they would play 3 NRL games in Perth next year in this time slot. Would suit us just fine. 4:30pm KO, still daylight, weather usually ok, give us 10 games in this slot and a couple on a Saturday night to give you a live 9:30pm. 6:30pm on the East coast is going to end up another dog crowd situation imo. with families refusing to attend on a school night.

Does seem like a good idea...

Would there be issues with getting the ground at the same time?
 

Kurt Angle

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Pirates vs Broncos could be a good live 9:30pm friday night game too.

7:30 EST - Bulldogs vs Titans
9:30 EST - Pirates vs Broncos.

It would own the Queensland FNF
 

docbrown

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The Ninth Game

For those who have just returned from their week long vacations on Mars, the last ditch efforts of a desperate, defiant and debt laden Channel 9 along with Fox Sports managed to snag the Australian NRL TV broadcast rights for the next five years. For quite some time certain journalists and industry experts had in fact scoffed that such an amount - $1.025 billion including $100 million in advertising – was even achievable.

Until the networks finally came out and made public announcements to the effect, many scoffed at suggestions that 7 and 10 were even interested, let alone trying to buy the rights to every game. The pundits were not only proven wrong on that front but also on regaining fixed scheduling, guaranteeing national coverage and breaking the Super League-era remnants of first and last rights. Rugby League is now free to choose its own best destiny.

So which destiny will they choose? When you observe the fan base’s criticism of the deal two key points emerge: the lack of live free to air coverage and a soft-footed approach to expansion.

For the record I have been a critic of Channel 9’s coverage for some time. Over their 21 years they have become somewhat complacent and conceited. While there are some personalities who have the character to put the game first and foremost, others have become apathetic or even cynical, which in turn has had a negative effect on the audience. We’re still all waiting for the retooling of the Footy Show. Nine have also made promises that they have failed to keep (remember all that tantalising HD coverage on Gem…?) and until this year when faced with pressure from other networks their performance outside NSW & QLD has been absolutely dreadful.

What the ARLC needs to be doing is exerting its influence over 9 in all these departments. It already has legal guarantees for some, what it needs to do is get Gyngell and Steve Crawley to genuinely commit to a long needed redevelopment (and not just by adding more tools…). The former NRL board never pushed this point but for the meantime I am willing to give the freshly minted ARLC the benefit of the doubt to keep 9 on their best behaviour.

That said the critics of 9’s winning bid also need to understand the nature of the negotiating process. Of course everyone wants as much money as possible and as much coverage as possible. Sometimes though you need to deal with the reality of what’s there on the table. People have accused David Gyngell of pure arrogance at the press conference. Perhaps they’re right – but don’t forget that he was also on about five seconds sleep and had just had his bank vault raided for a lot more than he was probably willing to give. In the end though the commission went with the deal that they believed would serve the game best for the next five years and when you consider what they need to do, I tend to agree with them. But to circle back, when David Gyngell says we need to delay the Sunday game to shove in ads, I can understand the logic behind it.

That said perhaps the fans need to put some pressure on Channel 9 here. By extending the coverage from 3:30pm onwards with an NFL style presentation they’d be picking up more ad dollars than what they get with a black and white Humphrey Bogart film. In fact we’ve seen 9 do this at other times for this express purpose – for the Good Friday game and finals. Kick off could begin at around 4:10pm with an extended 15 minute half time and a final siren at 5:55pm to then lead into the news. In effect though this would mean that in mid-winter games becomes partial twilight matches and we revert to one full day match only. But before you start writing your complaints, there is a way to keep the same amount of afternoon games – expansion.

We’ve had Todd Greenberg’s opinion on this: "In the next five years it is about a national footprint, playing games in new markets and developing new markets rather than adding new teams."

However for those taking that as gospel remember he’s not the CEO. John Grant spelled out the commission’s opinion at the press conference: "The proof of this deal is there is not a lot of value placed on that ninth game, that doesn't necessarily negate expansion but it forces us to put much more rigour around that in terms of financial analysis and long-term sustainability remembering that our first commitment is to existing clubs.” In my opinion that isn’t the definitive no - at least not at this stage.

Back when LEK was doing the heavy strategic lifting for the broadcast rights they developed three scenarios: $1 billion, $1.2 billion and $1.4 billion. Once the remaining New Zealand, mobile and internet rights are added, along with several other future properties such as the 2017 World Cup, expanded World Club Challenge, 9’s tournaments etc, it may well be that the final media rights value is above that middle target. For a competition that has indeed been run on the smell of an oily rag, does anybody truly believe that there’s not even a jerry can for expansion out of this new super tanker? And if we are talking about developing, as Greenberg puts it, a “national footprint”, then surely the best way to get people in places like Western Australia to follow the game is to give them an actual Western Australian based team to follow…

Also, if money is indeed the sole deciding factor here until 2017, then what if these new expansion clubs were able to fund a significant portion of their operating cost by themselves? By any estimates it takes around $20-$25 million to run a club. This comes from gates, memberships, sponsorships, hospitality, club grants etc. Tony Sage has made the claim that he’s willing to put up securities of up to $100 million to gain a bid. Now in my opinion the West Coast Pirates bid is actually the superior option there but – if there was a way of genuinely getting Sage to stump up the cash and to develop a working body that includes the WARL bid board members, then surely the whole the financial argument is sorted. Similar requirements could be presented to the other bidding groups in Queensland, NSW & PNG. The NRL would develop a set of criteria with a key component being a major financial security source in the years 2015 to 2017.

So circling around yet again, the financial question is potentially answered at a timeline that balances the needs of both the existing and expansion markets: we would have the miraculous 9th game in 2015 or 2016.

The question that truly needs to be asked: what provisions did the NRL allow for this in these negotiations? If the NRL does choose to expand, which network owns this game? No one at the press conference asked this rather glaring issue. If it hasn’t been sold yet, then perhaps this game could be a simulcast game on both 9 & Fox. If as we’ve been told, it’s worth nothing, then no party should be displeased by that (however I don’t buy that line). The NRL may even get some additional dollars for it. Channel 9 might get a shiny new Queensland team to drool over. What we then might also see is a Sunday smorgasbord – 12pm live on Fox (mostly New Zealand games), 2pm live on Fox & 9, 4pm live on 9 and of course the occasional live Sunday night game on Fox. That would be a win for the NRL, the networks, the expansion markets and the fans.
 
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Billythekid

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The frustrating thing is that right off the bat the pirates would almost certainly pull in bigger crowds and be better off financially than quite a few of the current clubs. Furthermore they have a specific importance in terms of tv ratings. They offer has access to different timeslots and also open the game up to the 4th biggest market in the country which we currently ignore (and is also growing rapidly).

The whole thing makes no sense to me. We are literally going to have more than double the money we had during the last 5 years. Is there seriously not enough there to allow for the addition of 2 new teams (especially when the likely candidates Perth, CC and Brisbane 2 would be better off than many existing clubs??!??).

I don't buy this stuff about the extra game being worth nothing either. Brisbane2 and Perth in particular bring are important strategically for tv ratings even if you ignore the fact that it would allow us an extra game.
 

CC_Roosters

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I have been in the UK for a week now so the whole tv deal caught me by surprise i also dont have internet access where i am staying.

So what is the general feeling in the public about it? I have the shits with nine retaining the rights and am a bit disappointed that fox wont be simulcasting nines games. They are my only gripes as the money looks to be excellent and i gather the radio, online and NZ rights have not been done yet so the total media rights should climb to 1.1 to 1.2 billion at a guess?
 

Desert Qlder

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On Nine's coverage, an overlooked point I picked up the day the announcement was made was the so-called 'broadcaster's academy' Nine would commit to. At face value, the idea sounds a little pie-in-the-sky, but looking deeper it indicates a key point.

That point being the Commission's negotiators had clearly held the view that the presentation of the game is now being seen as substandard, by both viewers and the administration. Otherwise why would Gyngell and Nine make such a pronouncement? It seems obvious to me that there are certain expectations of Nine that the Commission has in regards to their presentation.

Nothing has come of it in the days since, but I'd like to know more about Nine's proposal and how they would be looking to educate their presenters, and what improvements they will make. It would also be intriguing what part the Commission's negotiators had in this.
 

Perth Red

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Would cost $20mill to bring in two new teams. I doubt you couldn't get that if you offered it as a live FTA game to any bidder. Maybe Ch10 would take it up as an entree into 2018 bidding rights.

Ch9 aren't interested because they aren't interested in the game. There is nothing in the deal or their attitude that has any indication that Ch9 has any interest in growing the game or making it better what so ever. Smacks of being more afraid to lose it than actually wanting it.


Good article expect the bit about Sage. He isn't offering $100mill of his own money. He has been whinging like a stuck pig at having to spend $1mill a year on his beloved Perth Glory, do you really think he is going to chuck $100mill at a club and sport he has no interest in?

Re paying there own way, we went down that road in 1995 when the Western Reds were saddled with having to cover costs for every teams travel, it sent them bust and killed the game in WA for close to 10 years, lets not go there again by putting a financial yolk around their neck before they start.
 

docbrown

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The frustrating thing is that right off the bat the pirates would almost certainly pull in bigger crowds and be better off financially than quite a few of the current clubs. Furthermore they have a specific importance in terms of tv ratings. They offer has access to different timeslots and also open the game up to the 4th biggest market in the country which we currently ignore (and is also growing rapidly).

The whole thing makes no sense to me. We are literally going to have more than double the money we had during the last 5 years. Is there seriously not enough there to allow for the addition of 2 new teams (especially when the likely candidates Perth, CC and Brisbane 2 would be better off than many existing clubs??!??).

I don't buy this stuff about the extra game being worth nothing either. Brisbane2 and Perth in particular bring are important strategically for tv ratings even if you ignore the fact that it would allow us an extra game.

I don't buy the 9th game is worth nothing statement. It will have ads. It will have viewers. It will target markets. However 9 & Fox have been squeezed so you can understand why they would try and downplay having to cough any more dough.

However lets say for example that in exchange for getting live coverage in the 4pm Sunday slot that 9 gets this little to no cost extra game at 2pm (whose extra ad revenue would more than make up for dropping the delay) - by putting that 9th game on F2A what the NRL gets is 3 years of undeniable proof that the 9th game and the 2 expansion teams do rate.

That's a much better scenario than waiting till 2017 and hearing yet again that expansion and the 9th game has no value. That means that when 2018-2022 are negotiated the maximum possible value of the 9 game package is fully realized.

So to recap, if the NRL were to pursue this scenario:
* After a two year wait, F2A viewers could get 2-3 live games.
* Expansion is addressed and those clubs have little to no negative impact on existing clubs
* The NRL may be able to squeeze out addition dollars for 2015-2017
* The NRL proves the worth of the 9th game for the 2018-2022 open market negotiations
 

docbrown

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That point being the Commission's negotiators had clearly held the view that the presentation of the game is now being seen as substandard, by both viewers and the administration. Otherwise why would Gyngell and Nine make such a pronouncement? It seems obvious to me that there are certain expectations of Nine that the Commission has in regards to their presentation.

It may well be but for obvious reasons both 9 & the NRL would prefer to keep that private. The public will only see the big bold strokes of the deal whereas there are other mechanisms embedded in the fine print.
 

docbrown

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Would cost $20mill to bring in two new teams.

Perth Red said:
He isn't offering $100mill of his own money. He has been whinging like a stuck pig at having to spend $1mill a year on his beloved Perth Glory, do you really think he is going to chuck $100mill at a club and sport he has no interest in?

Agreed. The question is - are these multimillionaires bidders prepared to put their money where their mouths is for 2-3 years.

I included the financial aspect purely because that was the only direct negative assessment present by John Grant. If WARL don't want to get involved with Sage, perhaps they could find another security blanket.

To be honest I only suggest this because it would prevent any financial argument against it by the existing clubs. However I think the whole 'financial strains' argument is just a ruse to buy time until a proper final decision on expansion is made in the not too distant future.

I doubt you couldn't get that if you offered it as a live FTA game to any bidder. Maybe Ch10 would take it up as an entree into 2018 bidding rights.

I do not see Nine paying that much for this game. What I am suggesting though is that if the 9th game is brought in 2015 or 2016 that it could be offered to Nine in exchange for 9 conceding live coverage of the 4pm slot. It would also keep day games for fans at the same amount. 10 can't buy it as Nine own the exclusive F2A rights in Australia.

I am curious to find out what mechanism the NRL has put in the agreement for any future 9th game during this 5 year window. Who owns it? 9 or Fox? If nobody owns, does it go to whichever one bids the most for it? Like I said though I think the NRL should give it away for little to nothing to 9 in order to take the long term view. 9 will make money from it, especially if it's a gift and it would address the F2A live coverage concerns.
 
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beave

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If it were me, bring Perth in 2015, which will obviously result in a bye every week (not that bad an outcome really) and bring the 2nd team in for 2018 (first year of the next rights will then allow 9 games for the ARLC to get extra $$$$ for)

At least this allows the good work in Perth to finally come to fruition and and not go to waste and the weening of the 2 teams over 4 years gives the comp the chance to consolidate the new teams inclusion.
 

Ray Mosters

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The deal is the deal. We went for max money, I would have preferred our priorities be different, they weren't, the deal is still good and will be great for us all.
 

Billythekid

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The deal is the deal. We went for max money, I would have preferred our priorities be different, they weren't, the deal is still good and will be great for us all.

We went for a fixed schedule which as far as i'm aware meant a big decrease in how much money we got. So we didn't actually go for max money.
 
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We went for a fixed schedule which as far as i'm aware meant a big decrease in how much money we got. So we didn't actually go for max money.

The fixed schedule likely means more money directly in the clubs pocket , so they probably weren't that worried about that difference.
 

Perth Red

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Oh how pleased I am we have nine for the next five years. Not sure if it happened in other states but on gem in Perth on 65 mins packs down for a manly scrum, cut to a break, minute later episode of golden girls is suddenly playing! 8 mins later we cut back to the game. Outstanding ch9!
 

Fonzie

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My take is that on balance we have done very well.

We avoided the two disaster scenarios that many thought were real possibilities: 1) that news would again use its influence to underpay; 2) that we would bw forced to compromise the game itself (eg going to quarters, artificial stoppages) to get the money we need.

We will end up with between $1 and $1.1 bn in cash (as a comparison, afl got around $1.12 bn) plus $100m contra. That alone secures our game financially and gives us a platform from which to work on grassroots, attendances and player retention.

Aside from the cash, we made a massive strategic gain by getting rid of all future first and last rights. I don't know how to value that but it makes me more confident that we will only improve in future deals.

The (almost) fixed schedule and national digital coverage is a small win for fans. Overall, there's no doubt we traded off improved coverage for the cash, but that is absolutely what we needed on this deal. We have been on a shoestring for too long.

I am starting to get confident that the arlc know what they are doing. If they spend this money well, we should be able to win coverage benefits next time around.

Expansion iis disappointing, but again if the casj wasn't there for it we would have been spread too thin, and we just can't afford that. This is the deal that gets us off our knees and gears us up for the next deal. We can compare it against the ideal and be unhappy, or look at where it puts us compared to where we were - and smile.
 

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I have a very strong feeling Perth will be in for 2015 or 2016. The 18th team will be in for the start of the next deal. An odd number of teams for a couple of years isn't as bad as some people may think. It will just mean byes which we already have. As mentioned earlier, Perth will soak up the bulk of that 6.30pm timeslot with a few 9.30 sat nights thrown in for good measure.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...in-richer-league/story-fnca0von-1226457730540
Next deal expected to put game in even richer league

by: BRENT READ
From: The Australian
August 25, 2012 12:00AM

ONE of the key men behind the ARL Commission's billion-dollar broadcasting windfall predicts the increasing influence of the digital age will see significantly more money flow into the game when it comes time to negotiate the next deal in five years.

Media rights expert Colin Smith, whose company LEK was hired by the commission to help extract the most money from broadcasters, suggested the game had only scratched the surface with its announcement this week of a $1.025 billion deal with the Nine Network and Fox Sports.

Smith also dismissed suggestions the Nine Network had paid too much for the rights it is understood the broadcaster will pay $95 million a year, while Fox will pay $110m.

"The world is going to change," Smith said. "With the digital world coming on, the market is going to grow because increasingly people are going to dual screen. People under 30 years of age, 64 per cent of them are dual-screening they are watching the television and their iPhone or PC.

"If you can have complimentary packages between the two -- huge upside. The view is that the premium sports are going to continue to grow.

"There is some really sophisticated software out there now. That means you're actually not only growing what you do on the main screen, but also on the secondary screen.

"So I am saying, this is going to continue to grow. It's going to go significantly northwards from what it is."

That's good news for the ARL Commission, its clubs and its players, all of whom are expected to benefit greatly from this week's deal. The process of distributing the money will begin in earnest on Monday when the NRL Club Council holds talks with the independent commission.

The clubs want an agreement that their grants will exceed the salary cap by at least $1 million, meaning the handouts would be increased to $6m for each club from next season. That equates to $96m, barely half the broadcasting money received next year.

Smith also said the broadcasters would benefit well from this week's deal, even though rival networks have suggested Nine will struggle to make a profit on its investment in the game.

Smith said that view ignored the impact rugby league would have on other programming.

"The upside for a broadcaster of having premium sport is the halo effect -- to cover your costs or near-abouts, you use it to promote your shows and it grows news," Smith said. "The halo effect, if you include that, Channel Nine will make money out of this. You can actually analyse this, which is what we did."
 

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