TWO new Brisbane teams

[MugaB]

Personally i like the idea of a Northern Brisbane/QLD Coast Dolphins, whatever it might be, but realistically If the Redcliffe Dolphins came in they play 8 in Redcliffe, with remaining 4 at Suncorp for blockbusters.
Sunshine Coast is affiliates with Melbourne Storm, very doubtful that would deteriorate just to be a few games added to the dolphins pockets, but things change, so if storm looked elsewhere, maybe sunshine coast becomes the "illawara" to redcliffes "dragons"

I also prefer the firehawks brand as the brisbane city rival, something about the colors reminds me of the crushers, although similar but not exact, these two brands for me, not a ipswich or bombers bid

 

[pennywisealfie]

LOL this whole thread. Can't believe that not only are talks about Brisbane expansion not dying down, but have ramped up to two new Brisbane teams.

You know what, let's do it. Rugby League is struggling already, two new teams with f**k all support will be fun.

 

[Quidgybo]

To add a bit of context, here’s a composite map that shows the local government areas, the population distribution (2006) and the locations of the relevant venues.



Leigh.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

LOL this whole thread. Can't believe that not only are talks about Brisbane expansion not dying down, but have ramped up to two new Brisbane teams.

You know what, let's do it. Rugby League is struggling already, two new teams with f**k all support will be fun.

Are you a Broncos fan worried about the club losing some of its advantages?

Not everything is about the Broncos. Their lowly situation is one of their own making. If a second or third team put them out of business it will be down to the incompetence of their head office.

Personally i like the idea of a Northern Brisbane/QLD Coast Dolphins, whatever it might be, but realistically If the Redcliffe Dolphins came in they play 8 in Redcliffe, with remaining 4 at Suncorp for blockbusters.
Sunshine Coast is affiliates with Melbourne Storm, very doubtful that would deteriorate just to be a few games added to the dolphins pockets, but things change, so if storm looked elsewhere, maybe sunshine coast becomes the "illawara" to redcliffes "dragons"

I also prefer the firehawks brand as the brisbane city rival, something about the colors reminds me of the crushers, although similar but not exact, these two brands for me, not a ipswich or bombers bid

Easts are also affiliated with the Storm, but have launched a bid of their own. My guess is the Falcons will go with whoever gives them the best deal.

To add a bit of context, here’s a composite map that shows the local government areas, the population distribution (2006) and the locations of the relevant venues.

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Leigh.

Logan now has about 335,000 residents. In the southern suburbs of Logan there are new settlements in Flagstone and Yarrabilba. Both are growing at a very fast rate. Yarrabilba is projected to have over 120,000 residents of its own within 20 or 30 years. Logan has lots of junior and senior RL clubs.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Another spin is, what if 2 Brisbane clubs were added, and struggling Sydney clubs were encouraged to relocate to Perth, Adelaide, New Zealand or Central Coast?

I think Adelaide and Perth should be reserved for Sydney clubs who are squeezed out of that market. NZ needs to have its own teams, just like Brisbane.

Time for the NRL, WA Government and businessmen of Perth to offer a deal to a Sydney club, in exchange for its relocation to Perth, that's too sweet to resist. That's the only way I can see Perth getting a team. The broadcasters will not agree to fund a team in Adelaide or Perth because neither region will deliver them a financial return. Brisbane 2 and 3 are guaranteed to deliver a financial return to the broadcasters. That's why Brisbane 2 and 3 are viable and valuable, whereas Perth and Adelaide will never happen. The NRL does not have a warchest to fund expansion into WA and SA, so unless the broadcasters do it, which they won't as next to no one will tune in to see these teams, then the NRL won't be interested. There's plenty of evidence showing the broadcasters want more content in Brisbane.

Salary cap is $10m and annual grant $13m. No way will Ch9,7,10 or Foxtel squander $23m a year on a team in Adelaide or Perth when they are struggling to make money in the face of competition from streaming services. Gyngel said the Broncos are the only team who provide a 100 cent to the dollar return for Ch9. All the other clubs return less than half of that.

 

[Quidgybo]

Personally i like the idea of a Northern Brisbane/QLD Coast Dolphins, whatever it might be, but realistically If the Redcliffe Dolphins came in they play 8 in Redcliffe, with remaining 4 at Suncorp for blockbusters.
Sunshine Coast is affiliates with Melbourne Storm, very doubtful that would deteriorate just to be a few games added to the dolphins pockets, but things change, so if storm looked elsewhere, maybe sunshine coast becomes the "illawara" to redcliffes "dragons"

Whether the Falcons are affiliated with an NRL team is immaterial to whether a new Moreton Bay-Sunshine Coast NRL team run by the Redcliffe Dolphins played at Sunshine Coast Stadium. The Falcons don’t own the ground and would have no say in who hires it when they’re not using it.

The parallels between the Redcliffe Dolphins and the Cronulla Sharks are real. Both clubs founded in the 60s, both built on the foresight to obtain large parcels of undeveloped land at the fringe of the big city, both stuck out on a peninsula, both self developed their home grounds, both with leagues club right next door.

Leigh.

 

[pennywisealfie]

Are you a Broncos fan worried about the club losing some of its advantages?

Not everything is about the Broncos. Their lowly situation is one of their own making. If a second or third team put them out of business it will be down to the incompetence of their head office.

No mate, the Broncos will be fine.

The other clubs will fail. How long will they last when the honeymoon period is over and they have no true fans, just a bunch of people that like them as their 2nd team to the team they've already been supporting for years.

I know you exist, but you're a rarity. There just aren't enough people who say "I''ll go for a Brisbane team if they enter the comp. Oh that's right there's already a Brisbane team, I just don't like them".

 

[pennywisealfie]

I would love it if V'landys really showed some BDE and said, "if you live in Brisbane and wanna watch NRL, go to Broncos games. The games never sell out. If you hate the Broncos too much, then f**k off to another sport."

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No mate, the Broncos will be fine.

The other clubs will fail. How long will they last when the honeymoon period is over and they have no true fans, just a bunch of people that like them as their 2nd team to the team they've already been supporting for years.

I know you exist, but you're a rarity. There just aren't enough people who say "I''ll go for a Brisbane team if they enter the comp. Oh that's right there's already a Brisbane team, I just don't like them".

There's 2.4 million people in greater Brisbane. RL is by far the number 1 sport here by a country mile. Only an average of 35,000 people turn up to Broncos games at Lang Park, yet TV ratings for all 3 QLD clubs and Storm, Queensland's adopted 4th team, are through the roof in Brisbane. There's more than enough support for a 2nd and 3rd team.

There are plenty of people in Brisbane who support one of the other 15 clubs. They will attend Bris 2 and 3 to see their team play. The point of Bris 2 and 3 is to give non-Broncos fans and kids an alternative that they will attend. There are plenty of people up here who hate the Broncos. Growing up in the 90s I was surprised by how many people up here hated their guts. I still see just as many, if not more, saying the same thing. Whether it's because they killed the BRL or are in bed with the hated Murdochs, people have their reason to hate them. Broncos embody everything that RL has fought against since 1895. Working glass RL fans aren't going to have much in common with a corporation that is the antithesis of the game. That's what the Broncos and Bombers are and why people don't like them.

If you think there aren't enough people in RL's second largest city, Brisbane, to support 2 or 3 teams, how do suppose a Perth or Adelaide team will go?

Have you seen the abysmal ratings in Perth and Adelaide for NRL games shown on 9Gem?

Adelaide and Perth are not RL cities and never will be. They draw about 5,000 in each of those cities for NRL games on 9Gem. Over 100,000 people in Brisbane watch when no Queensland team is playing on Ch9. 150k when Cowboys, Titans or Storm are playing. 170k when Broncos play. Do the maths.

I would love it if V'landys really showed some BDE and said, "if you live in Brisbane and wanna watch NRL, go to Broncos games. The games never sell out. If you hate the Broncos too much, then f**k off to another sport."

I'd expect that sort of insanity from Perth Red and The Great Dane, hence the reason I have them on ignore.

 

[MugaB]

I would love it if V'landys really showed some BDE and said, "if you live in Brisbane and wanna watch NRL, go to Broncos games. The games never sell out. If you hate the Broncos too much, then f**k off to another sport."

That's pretty derivitive, coming from a broncos fan, posting on a forum related on Expansion in Brisbane

 

[mongoose]

No mate, the Broncos will be fine.

The other clubs will fail. How long will they last when the honeymoon period is over and they have no true fans, just a bunch of people that like them as their 2nd team to the team they've already been supporting for years.

I know you exist, but you're a rarity. There just aren't enough people who say "I''ll go for a Brisbane team if they enter the comp. Oh that's right there's already a Brisbane team, I just don't like them".

There's a lot of advantages to a second Brisbane team if done right.
The best rugby league stadium in the country shouldn't be so under utilized for one. Also Brisbanes population has almost doubled since 1988. To my surprise I've actually heard a number of people say they would consider changing teams to support them..
But when you introduce any new team you should be thinking long term at attracting future generations and those kids parents.

 

[pennywisealfie]

Yep, some in Brisbane hate the Broncos. But they already have other teams that they aren't going to just drop after years of going for them to support some new franchise.

Sure there will be some diehard (not Valleys) Rugby League fans that will go to every game just to watch Rugby League (should be going to Broncos games), there will also be some opposition fans for sure. But this is not going to fill a crowd. Ideally you want 25k per game. They won't come close.

I think the only mildly realistic shot, would be Redcliffe.

 

[T-Boon]

LOL this whole thread. Can't believe that not only are talks about Brisbane expansion not dying down, but have ramped up to two new Brisbane teams.

You know what, let's do it. Rugby League is struggling already, two new teams with f**k all support will be fun.

A second and third Brisbane team would have a bigger impact on the Storm (the best Qld team of the past 20 years) more so than the two already struggling south east queensland teams Titans and Broncos.

 

[pennywisealfie]

There's a lot of advantages to a second Brisbane team if done right.
The best rugby league stadium in the country shouldn't be so under utilized for one. Also Brisbanes population has almost doubled since 1988. To my surprise I've actually heard a number of people say they would consider changing teams to support them..
But when you introduce any new team you should be thinking long term at attracting future generations and those kids parents.

If the Broncos were coming close to selling out games, then I'd be all for a 2nd Brisbane team. But there's always plenty of seats free at Broncos games. If Brisbane was such a massive rugby league town, then the games would sell out.

 

[pennywisealfie]

A second and third Brisbane team would have a bigger impact on the Storm (the best Qld team of the past 20 years) more so than the two already struggling south east queensland teams Titans and Broncos.

hahaha tip of the cap to you, sir. Quality.

 

[T-Boon]

If the Broncos were coming close to selling out games, then I'd be all for a 2nd Brisbane team. But there's always plenty of seats free at Broncos games. If Brisbane was such a massive rugby league town, then the games would sell out.

That is because the Broncos are lazy and have been allowed to be for 30 years. They need competition.

 

[Perth Red]

A second and third Brisbane team would have a bigger impact on the Storm (the best Qld team of the past 20 years) more so than the two already struggling south east queensland teams Titans and Broncos.

not really, Storm only have 4 Queenslanders in starting 17 this year. A second Nz team would hurt them more.

 

[Perth Red]

That is because the Broncos are lazy and have been allowed to be for 30 years. They need competition.

don’t buy that, they are a for profit making company with shareholders to answer to and stock price to grow. It would make no sense for them not to be motivated to keep growing their revenue and profit margins.

 

[Perth Red]

If the Broncos were coming close to selling out games, then I'd be all for a 2nd Brisbane team. But there's always plenty of seats free at Broncos games. If Brisbane was such a massive rugby league town, then the games would sell out.

that’s partLy nrl and tvs fault. On fta every weekend so easier to stay home to watch, Brisbane fta audience is substantially bigger per pop than Sydney, Thursday night games which no one likes, Friday night games which deter families. Ticket pricing is broncos doing and they should have some dynamic pricing and free kids deals to fill their 35% unused seat capacity.

A second Brisbane team Is a no brainer but it won’t be as smooth sailing as many on here seem to think.

 

[T-Boon]

Seeing as there are a lot of Broncos fans but many of them stop going once the team performs badly you have to wonder how keen they are as Broncos fans.
Are they just Broncos fans because there is no other team to support in Brisbane and would they drop the Broncos or possibly decide to support both teams. Valid question.
The new teams would not just target non Broncos fans, existing Broncos fans are a target as well.