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Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

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Misanthrope

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Sneaky!

I clicked it four times and started to get pissed off.

"Why is this one LU page not working??"

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Cue post movement. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....LIFT OFF! :crazy:
 
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http://www.boredpanda.com/powerful-social-advertisements/

Have a look over those and tell me which one is the one that engages you most.

For me, there were quite a few:


  • The UN Women one saddened me, but it also kind of made me laugh because I'm a bastard.
  • The ones showing kids holding guns and a banned substance made me sad for America.
  • The pandas = tuna one :(
  • The smart phone pedophile one was really confronting IMO.
  • The 'one species dies every minute'. That's true? Holy f**k, we're terrible.
  • The very cool child soldier one with the see through panel. I can see that one affecting a lot of people.
  • I laughed out loud at the 'Likes don't change things' one because of all those cheesy Facebook spam things.


What did everybody else think?
 

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You completely miss the point.

It is the fact that it can happen, not the statistical chances of it not happening, that creates the fear.

You can get struck by lightning during a storm if you go outside, too. That was my entire point and it reduces this entire argument to nonsense. Of course it's about the relative chance of it actually happening. People subconsciously think that the chance of this happening to them is now bigger because of a recent event. It is, but not by much really.

Something bad could happen to you every single day. Why don't you live every single day in fear of other things happening to you? Because you know in the back of the mind that a) that's stupid and b) statistically speaking it's unlikely to happen to you.

You trust it to not happen because of the proactive measures to ensure the safety of a person. Just like every aspect of human society, which is to protect against death.

I 'trust' it not to happen because all the evidence in the world suggests it won't. That evidence being the overwhelming odds in favour of it not happening.

My point is death happens, and unless you have confronted that and dealt with the reality of human mortality, then these 'issues' which crop up every so often are going to cause fear - fear of death, mainly. People avoid dying because of its finality. These events highlight that and the fear caused isn't that the plane will fall out of the sky (which is statistically improbably but still possible); it is the fact that it can happen and the result of that which causes the fear / panic.

Of course these issues are going to cause fear in some people. I don't think I've ever argued against that. My entire point is that rationally there is no basis for this fear of a plane crashing, and that it is entirely a emotional and illogical reaction to events. If you're trying to argue that these events can bring about a fear of death then sure I don't disagree, but that's not what you seemed to be arguing originally, especially with the car analogy.

You call it superstitious mumbo jumbo, and I appreciate that is your view of life and death - you're pragmatic and dismissive of what death is. It happens, you move on.

I think there has been a pretty big misunderstanding here on both ends so apologies for that. I was calling being afraid of planes crashing because of recent events superstitious mumbo jumbo - not the fear of death itself. I respect that many people hold the fear of death and that events like this bring that fear up again. That fear is not the one I was arguing against.

I am pragmatic, yeah, but certainly not dismissive of what death is. Honestly I think I take it much, much more seriously than you ever possibly could given you believe in an afterlife. It is final in every sense of the word to me, if anything people who believe in an afterlife are the ones who need to give it a hell of a lot more thought.

But that simply highlights you're never thought about death and its occurrence. Spend a day thinking about death and its reality, and I am certain you would have a different outlook to it as a consequence.

Yeah I've never thought about death and occurrence. :crazy: I've spent a hell of a lot more time seriously thinking about it, especially during the last five years or so of my life. Good god where do you come up with this stuff? What a bizarre, yet unsurprising in the least, assumption.


Edit: You can still read it if you wish but I've removed some of my comments about death because I seriously don't want to get into an argument about the reality and finality of death with a Christian because I think you're just completely and fundamentally wrong on this point and not even worth discussing it with, quite frankly.
 
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This is starting to get sensitive so I'm going to only make a few comments then drop it. I like you a lot Apey, so I am conscious that I am possibly upsetting you; but I also want to represent what I'm saying right as I feel I haven't done so.

You can get struck by lightning during a storm if you go outside, too. That was my entire point and it reduces this entire argument to nonsense. Of course it's about the relative chance of it actually happening. People subconsciously think that the chance of this happening to them is now bigger because of a recent event. It is, but not by much really.

Something bad could happen to you every single day. Why don't you live every single day in fear of other things happening to you? Because you know in the back of the mind that a) that's stupid and b) statistically speaking it's unlikely to happen to you.

The point I'm trying to make is that incidents like plane crashes bring home the mortality of a person to the stage where they are acutely aware of it. This changes behaviour as they then reassess their choices to reflect this brief brush with mortality.

It isn't that the randomness of the event is feared; it is the fragility of life that is recognised.

I 'trust' it not to happen because all the evidence in the world suggests it won't. That evidence being the overwhelming odds in favour of it not happening.

Again, you miss my point. You use the statistics to warrant your decision to live life. I am ok with this. What I am suggesting is we have 'child proofed' life so much we have lost any sense of the danger it presents to us.

Of course these issues are going to cause fear in some people. I don't think I've ever argued against that. My entire point is that rationally there is no basis for this fear of a plane crashing, and that it is entirely a emotional and illogical reaction to events. If you're trying to argue that these events can bring about a fear of death then sure I don't disagree, but that's not what you seemed to be arguing originally, especially with the car analogy.

The car analogy was a poor one but I am arguing what I have bolded. What I was trying to suggest by the car crash is that that the random death of someone they know makes them reassess what they are doing because of it and because of a realisation of their mortality.

I think there has been a pretty big misunderstanding here on both ends so apologies for that. I was calling being afraid of planes crashing because of recent events superstitious mumbo jumbo - not the fear of death itself. I respect that many people hold the fear of death and that events like this bring that fear up again. That fear is not the one I was arguing against.

I am pragmatic, yeah, but certainly not dismissive of what death is. Honestly I think I take it much, much more seriously than you ever possibly could given you believe in an afterlife.

I'm genuinely glad you are dwelling; not because its morbid but because it is such a huge deal. I am very happy to talk offline about it (without pushing an agenda) if you are keen to discuss or have a venting avenue :)

It is final in every sense of the word to me, if anything people who believe in an afterlife are the ones who need to give it a hell of a lot more thought.

It is because I believe in deaths finality that I hold the convictions I do. It is not through lack of thought. My understanding of an afterlife was one borne out of a young boy's realisation that such a finality seems entirely at odds with the existence we live and the human condition I was experiencing.

Yeah I've never thought about death and occurrence. :crazy: I've spent a hell of a lot more time seriously thinking about it, especially during the last five years or so of my life. Good god where do you come up with this stuff? What a bizarre, yet unsurprising in the least, assumption.

I'm truly sorry for offending you, mate. I was not attempting to. The away you phrased your posts made me think otherwise so I retract my statement and unreservedly apologise for being insensitive.

Edit: You can still read it if you wish but I've removed some of my comments about death because I seriously don't want to get into an argument about the reality and finality of death with a Christian because I think you're just completely and fundamentally wrong on this point and not even worth discussing it with, quite frankly.

I might, but won't comment on them.
 

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Something bad could happen to you every single day. Why don't you live every single day in fear of other things happening to you? Because you know in the back of the mind that a) that's stupid and b) statistically speaking it's unlikely to happen to you.

yet, on the flipside.....

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This is starting to get sensitive so I'm going to only make a few comments then drop it. I like you a lot Apey, so I am conscious that I am possibly upsetting you; but I also want to represent what I'm saying right as I feel I haven't done so.

Yeah I only removed some of my comments mainly because I don't feel like making it into an argument about religion, ya know? Not because I was trying to spare either of our feelings or anything like that. So no worries.

The point I'm trying to make is that incidents like plane crashes bring home the mortality of a person to the stage where they are acutely aware of it. This changes behaviour as they then reassess their choices to reflect this brief brush with mortality.

It isn't that the randomness of the event is feared; it is the fragility of life that is recognised.

Again, you miss my point. You use the statistics to warrant your decision to live life. I am ok with this. What I am suggesting is we have 'child proofed' life so much we have lost any sense of the danger it presents to us.

The car analogy was a poor one but I am arguing what I have bolded. What I was trying to suggest by the car crash is that that the random death of someone they know makes them reassess what they are doing because of it and because of a realisation of their mortality.

tbh this is all pretty moot now seeing as we seemed to be talking about different things. :lol:

It is because I believe in deaths finality that I hold the convictions I do. It is not through lack of thought. My understanding of an afterlife was one borne out of a young boy's realisation that such a finality seems entirely at odds with the existence we live and the human condition I was experiencing.

Completely disagree what you're getting at but I don't think that's surprising nor worth getting into, lol.

I'm truly sorry for offending you, mate. I was not attempting to. The away you phrased your posts made me think otherwise so I retract my statement and unreservedly apologise for being insensitive.

Nah, you didn't offend, it just irked me the way you had it written; it came off a bit holier than thou is all. All good. You aren't bad for someone who believes in something I am just so vehemently against :lol:
 

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^ indeed... infact, when i do buy a lottery ticket, i quite literally tell the missus that i'm off to pay "my tax on the stupid"
 
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