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Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

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Dutchy

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World War. Those Indonesians f**king hate us, even though we pump billions of dollars in aid their way.

They'll try to ream us from behind.
 

Misanthrope

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World War. Those Indonesians f**king hate us, even though we pump billions of dollars in aid their way.

They'll try to ream us from behind.

World War I had zero effect on Australians at home, yet we were fed into a meat-grinder to protect European interests.

World War II was the same story for much of the conflict, and the fact we'd gone to help abroad opened us up to direct assault from the Japanese and needing the Seppos to come in and bail us out.

If Indonesia got involved, I'd happily step in. I wouldn't be at all happy to go to war over Russia v Europe or Middle East v Israel.
 

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World War II was the same story for much of the conflict, and the fact we'd gone to help abroad opened us up to direct assault from the Japanese and needing the Seppos to come in and bail us out.

to be fair, i think even if we had all stayed home, we would still have needed the americans to help in that instance....
 

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to be fair, i think even if we had all stayed home, we would still have needed the americans to help in that instance....

Very true. We might not have made such an easy target had we had men still at home, though.
 

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Here's a new one for you.

If World War III did start and the government instituted a draft system, what would your reaction be?

Point out my rather fortuitous obesity. If that doesn't cut it my array of mental illnesses. If that still doesn't stop it, i'd pop a cap in my leg. f**k war.
 

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Point out my rather fortuitous obesity. If that doesn't cut it my array of mental illnesses. If that still doesn't stop it, i'd pop a cap in my leg. f**k war.

I would think my mental health issues would preclude me from active service, although I'd have no objection to helping out in a non combative role. Hell, it would probably be a better use of my skillset than trying to get me fit enough to fight.
 

madunit

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Here's a new one for you.

If World War III did start and the government instituted a draft system, what would your reaction be?

If WWIII did start, do you think there'd be much need for mobile infantry?

It'd be fought in the air with missiles. Nukes would come into the conflict very quickly and would decimate the combatants and render the rest of the world eventually useless when the fallout spreads around the world.

But if mobile infantry were required, I'd join up, but only to serve Australia. Be f**ked if I'm risking my life to protect yank interests.
 

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I'm a virtual pacifist who believes national service is indentured servitude.

No f**king way would I go to war.
 

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If God's plan involves the Israelis eradicating a minority whose land they stole with the help of the UN, I'm not sure what to make of God.

I'm not sure what Israel are doing is God's plan. I think they're using their own national desire to further their mission and believe it is God's plan, but there's no direct order from God to do it (ala God to Joshua in the book of Joshua).

To me, it seems like they're justifying their desire to be a nation again (and somehow 'correct' the wrong of the past) and using God's will as the cause.

Seems pretty standard God behaviour based on the Old Testament :D

Joshua is a pretty hectic book, I will say ;-)

That was when he last gave a shit about the Jews, if the New Testament is to be believed. Not that I blame him, they did kill his only son.

He's still concerned with the Jews. Romans 9-11 identify that. What He will do for them, however, is not known explicitly.

Maybe Jesus is a lie, the mashiyah sheker and the Jews were right all along?

Like I said before, I don't understand Israel's end game. The only way they win with their current strategy is if they turn the entire Islamic world into a glass sheet.

The end game is they want their country back. Jewish identity is based on the Kingdom of Israel. They believe its their inheritance. They believe what they're doing is reclaiming their inheritance. That's the end game. I'm not kidding either. As horrible as it sounds, they want to exterminate everyone in their path to get their country back because they believe God wants them to live there.

Here's a new one for you.

If World War III did start and the government instituted a draft system, what would your reaction be?

Sadness. I played paintball a few weeks ago. It is so easy to get shot / killed. The thought of kissing my kid goodbye and getting shipped off destroys me.

I'd only serve if Australia were directly threatened. f**k risking my life for British or American political interests.

Agree.

World War. Those Indonesians f**king hate us, even though we pump billions of dollars in aid their way.

They'll try to ream us from behind.

Possible. Some would prefer it from behind... :sarcasm:

World War I had zero effect on Australians at home, yet we were fed into a meat-grinder to protect European interests.

World War II was the same story for much of the conflict, and the fact we'd gone to help abroad opened us up to direct assault from the Japanese and needing the Seppos to come in and bail us out.

If Indonesia got involved, I'd happily step in. I wouldn't be at all happy to go to war over Russia v Europe or Middle East v Israel.

We needed to fight in WWII. I think that was a situation of necessity. Hitler had to be stopped at all costs. We had to go in if we wanted the States to help us with Japan.

If WWIII did start, do you think there'd be much need for mobile infantry?

It'd be fought in the air with missiles. Nukes would come into the conflict very quickly and would decimate the combatants and render the rest of the world eventually useless when the fallout spreads around the world.

But if mobile infantry were required, I'd join up, but only to serve Australia. Be f**ked if I'm risking my life to protect yank interests.

I think you're right re the type of warfare.
 

muzby

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I am a believer in National Service

i'm in kind of the same boat.. i think a designated service for young men would improve the attitudes of a lot of younger blokes.. hopefully mean less idiots running around..
 

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The end game is they want their country back. Jewish identity is based on the Kingdom of Israel. They believe its their inheritance. They believe what they're doing is reclaiming their inheritance. That's the end game. I'm not kidding either. As horrible as it sounds, they want to exterminate everyone in their path to get their country back because they believe God wants them to live there.
That's not an end game, that's just the end.

How do they intend to get there without being wiped off of the face of the Earth?

Like I said, it seems like they are angling towards nuking over a billion people as the only acceptable long term outcome for them.
 

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i'm in kind of the same boat.. i think a designated service for young men would improve the attitudes of a lot of younger blokes.. hopefully mean less idiots running around..

I tend to agree with this, but national service and a draft are a tad different.

Korean men all serve, but the capacity is pretty open. Some are extra police officers, some play football, some are army musicians, some are genuine soldiers etc.

I think that kind of service would be good for our youth. I don't, however, believe in sending people halfway around the world to die for political points.

Also, if its a draft, we have no say. Its jail or fight.

I'd take jail, tbh.

madunit is correct, though; it's unlikely there'd be a massive need for infantry in future wars. They'll need specialists, and I'd volunteer for that kind of work.

I'd just be useless on a battlefield.

We needed to fight in WWII. I think that was a situation of necessity. Hitler had to be stopped at all costs. We had to go in if we wanted the States to help us with Japan.

I think you've got your timeline all wrong. We were already involved in World War II well before Japan got involved by attacking the US. The US had no interest in the European side of things, and were only drawn into it when Germany allied with Japan.
 

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Also, if its a draft, we have no say. Its jail or fight.


There is more to the Army than Infantry. Being drafted doesn't always mean the pointy end of the firing range. It takes approximately 9 non combatants to keep an Infantryman in the field and at an acceptable stage of readiness. In saying that those 9 need to be trained in how to use a rifle & be prepared to if required.
 

Misanthrope

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There is more to the Army than Infantry. Being drafted doesn't always mean the pointy end of the firing range. It takes approximately 9 non combatants to keep an Infantryman in the field and at an acceptable stage of readiness. In saying that those 9 need to be trained in how to use a rifle & be prepared to if required.

See, I'd gladly do this. I've actually contemplated joining the armed forces in the past to fulfill a role like this.

I'd be a complete waste of space in the field, but I'd be useful in communications, propaganda/media relations (I guess it's only propaganda if you're the bad guy), or a bunch of other roles.
 

t-ba

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My Cousin is taking up a job as some kind of parachuting courier with the ADF...I'm pretty jealous.
 
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