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Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

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Drew-Sta

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Cbf quoting.

Religion is obsolete. People do choose it, and that's fine. People also choose to continue using Windows 97. People's choices don't negate obsolescence. Secondly, I never said religions sole purpose was to explain the world before we understood it. It obviously became a lot more than that both for good and evil. But the reason religion exists, like any other superstition, is to explain that which could not be explained. Someone dies suddenly? Gods will. Crops fail? Gods angry. Something goes bump in the night? Evil spirits, need god.

I don't think it's obsolete, but I certainly think it has become irrelevant to many people. It will never die out completely, because, as Bazal alludes to, folks always need some faith to believe in. If it's in the name of God, then it's all good for them.
 

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The last census data gave a pretty good idea of the trend. A significant reduction in young adults identifying as religious, with older folk being roughly the same.

Basically it's going to come down to who can spit out the most babies :sarcasm:
 

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I think the lunatic element gets highlighted further as the overall amount of people who follow the religion goes down, because they make up a bigger and bigger proportion of those following said religion.
 

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Was walking up Foveaux Street to work this morning. Saw a lot of people around, staring at something. Followed their stare to see a garbage truck and a mangled bicycle next to it. Saw two people trying to help a person under the garbage truck. They weren't moving.

Everything feels very insignificant right now... :(

always pretty rough when that happens.

When i was living in ingham working up north i always got woken up by trucks that turned down the end of the street passing through town throughout the night and one sat morning was no different but when i waited for it to go pass is uddenly heard a massive thud and the wheels locking up. Was ont he 3rd floor of a little 3 story block of units and ran down to see what happened. One of the local indigenious folk decided it was a good idea to wear all black and stumble down the middle of a poorly lid road drunk at about 3 in the morning and by the time i had gotten down to the road i made out a few pieces of him scattered around and then saw what was left of his face looking at me on the side of the road and then took a last breath and rolled over.

Driveway was blocked for a few hours and couldn't drive to work and as the friends and family showed up sitting back and hearing the crying and screaming through the window was a pretty ordinary experience. Worst thing is the raceday was next weekend and the same thing happened to somone who fell alseep on the road and eventually got taken out
 

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The last census data gave a pretty good idea of the trend. A significant reduction in young adults identifying as religious, with older folk being roughly the same.

Basically it's going to come down to who can spit out the most babies :sarcasm:

Its a forgone conclusion. Australia is secular and becoming more so with every year. I'm not fussed TBH; Christianity is not about numbers but looking for true faith. We should never have 'imposed' our beliefs, but I do think they play / should play a large role in society because *surprise surprise* I think we're right :sarcasm:

Nevertheless, my concern is how far the swing will go. France pre revolution is where we are now.

I think the lunatic element gets highlighted further as the overall amount of people who follow the religion goes down, because they make up a bigger and bigger proportion of those following said religion.

Not really. I don't identify with Fred Nile TBH. Its more a case of emptiest drum making the loudest noise.
 

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always pretty rough when that happens.

When i was living in ingham working up north i always got woken up by trucks that turned down the end of the street passing through town throughout the night and one sat morning was no different but when i waited for it to go pass is uddenly heard a massive thud and the wheels locking up. Was ont he 3rd floor of a little 3 story block of units and ran down to see what happened. One of the local indigenious folk decided it was a good idea to wear all black and stumble down the middle of a poorly lid road drunk at about 3 in the morning and by the time i had gotten down to the road i made out a few pieces of him scattered around and then saw what was left of his face looking at me on the side of the road and then took a last breath and rolled over.

Driveway was blocked for a few hours and couldn't drive to work and as the friends and family showed up sitting back and hearing the crying and screaming through the window was a pretty ordinary experience. Worst thing is the raceday was next weekend and the same thing happened to somone who fell alseep on the road and eventually got taken out

That's horrendous. The bolded is just... words fail.

The whole morning all I could think of was something similar to that happening to my little girl. I've never had such a dark space present near me while I thought of that.
 

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Its a forgone conclusion. Australia is secular and becoming more so with every year. I'm not fussed TBH; Christianity is not about numbers but looking for true faith. We should never have 'imposed' our beliefs, but I do think they play / should play a large role in society because *surprise surprise* I think we're right :sarcasm:

Nevertheless, my concern is how far the swing will go. France pre revolution is where we are now.



Not really. I don't identify with Fred Nile TBH. Its more a case of emptiest drum making the loudest noise.
I'm not saying you do, I just think the vocal, moralistic types will make up a greater proportion (still a minority mind) of religious people as there are less observant people.

On a side note, dare you to slip into a sermon one day

Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you."
 

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I don't think it's obsolete, but I certainly think it has become irrelevant to many people. It will never die out completely, because, as Bazal alludes to, folks always need some faith to believe in. If it's in the name of God, then it's all good for them.

its definitely not obsolete

has anyone else noticed the amount of League players that cross themselves when they score or run onto the ground

the numbers seem to be increasing for mine because 10 years ago you never saw that
 

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I'm not saying you do, I just think the vocal, moralistic types will make up a greater proportion (still a minority mind) of religious people as there are less observant people.

On a side note, dare you to slip into a sermon one day

A brilliant passage from Ezekiel there.

Jesus is foreshadowed as the righteous man beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and tyrannous evils ala the 'religious right' of the time in the Pharisee's; He was the blessed one who was charitable and of good will; He is the great Shepherd, that brings the weak through the valley of the darkness; allusions to the Prodigal Son parable in the 'brothers keeper' and the parable of the lost sheep in the finder of the lost children.

Then He took the furious vengeance and anger we deserved in His propitiation for our sins on the Cross, where the LORD's vengeance was smote against Him for our iniquities. He took the cost so that we might have the gain.

Therein lies the gospel, dear friends :) Alleluia.

In short, Red Bear, I'd love to preach on that passage :D
 

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its definitely not obsolete

has anyone else noticed the amount of League players that cross themselves when they score or run onto the ground

the numbers seem to be increasing for mine because 10 years ago you never saw that

There's more islanders playing the game, and the majority of them are Christian (mostly Mormon, but not all).
 

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A brilliant passage from Ezekiel there.

Jesus is foreshadowed as the righteous man beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and tyrannous evils ala the 'religious right' of the time in the Pharisee's; He was the blessed one who was charitable and of good will; He is the great Shepherd, that brings the weak through the valley of the darkness; allusions to the Prodigal Son parable in the 'brothers keeper' and the parable of the lost sheep in the finder of the lost children.

Then He took the furious vengeance and anger we deserved in His propitiation for our sins on the Cross, where the LORD's vengeance was smote against Him for our iniquities. He took the cost so that we might have the gain.

Therein lies the gospel, dear friends :) Alleluia.

In short, Red Bear, I'd love to preach on that passage :D
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He took the cost so that we might have the gain.

Therein lies the gospel, dear friends :) Alleluia.

actually therein lies the humble beginnings of the welfare state, and the 'no blame' generation...
 
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