Ultrathread I: Thread of the Year - 2014

[Misanthrope]

If we're going to start euthanizing dog owners, I'd like for it to be the people who refer to their pets as 'fur babies' or post pictures of their dogs with captions like 'What are you eating, Mummy?'.

 

[Apey]

In all seriousness I think killing the dog is a bit of a copout. Oh we f**ked up training this one not to be a dangerous merkin and the parents f**ked up letting their child wander off into someone else's yard (i'm too lazy to read what actually happened so that's the assumption i'm making) so to fix these issues... we... we kill the dog. Lesson learned. :sarcasm:

 

[Misanthrope]

Well, it's not likely you'll be able to train 'baby killing' out of the dog at this point. What else should they do? Fine the owners and wait for the dog to do it again?

 

[thorson1987]

Well, it's not likely you'll be able to train 'baby killing' out of the dog at this point. What else should they do? Fine the owners and wait for the dog to do it again?

How about people not going into a yard that apparently had warning signs clearly staying they have guard dogs.

It's not as though the dogs attacked some kid on the street ffs.

 

[thorson1987]

I will say I speak from experience from when I was a teenager, except I was lucky enough to be nearly back over the fence when it got me. Nice scar on the back of my leg.

 

[Apey]

No mention of how old the dogs were in the article I've just read, but retraining them is not necessarily impossible and it's an option I'd explore before simply killing them for other's mistakes.

Based on the circumstances I'm betting a hefty fine for the owner would cause them more pain than having to put their dogs down, it wouldn't seem they care about them much.

Anyway it seems like the child was pretty daft to enter the property in the first place.

From http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/two-dogs-...in-bellambi-20140709-zt0sa.html#ixzz36yx4KcVe

The 10-year-old entered a fenced property on Waley Avenue in Bellambi in search of his brother when two dogs - reportedly a German Shepherd cross and a Staffordshire Terrier cross – attacked him.

"The fence is 1.2 metres high, and on that street it's usually wire mesh," he said. "There were 'beware of the dog, enter at your own risk' signs."

The boy lived on the street, inspector Brian Wyver said, and was told his brother was at a particular address.

 

[thorson1987]

What makes you think they don't care about the dogs Apey?

 

[Apey]

Well originally I was thinking that they haven't done a very good job in training the dog (and hence ultimately care for the dog) if it's attacking children on a whim. It's just a given that if this was to happen your dog is going to get killed and if you haven't trained your guard dog for it then it's pretty careless of you.

But I suppose as far as kids are concerned where do you draw the line of what should be considered an intruder to a dog. They aren't smart enough to be taught to distinguish between a cut off point for ages and sizes I wouldn't think. I suppose you'd try to train them based on what the intruder is doing in your yard but even then it's kind of sketchy. Obviously the easiest choice is in your yard without owner present = bad.

Either way I'd blame the kid/the parents before the dog and you'd be hard-pressed to come up with an argument that convinces me simply killing the dog is the solution.

 

[Didgi]

Agree generally that dogs kept in their own yard with warning signs etc shouldn't be put down, but as an interesting side note owners are responsible for any harm caused by dangerous animals and putting up 'beware of the dog' signs can be proof that the animal is dangerous... I think the solution when I looked at it was they should've been further confined but obviously this isn't always practical.

Putting a dog down should involve some independent assessment that the dog is basically bad-natured and a threat to the community. That wouldn't be determined just because it had a bad day or perceived an intruder in a fenced property.

 

[Rhino_NQ]

Only if the cyclists were attacked by dogs

 

[RHCP]

Punish the owners, not the dogs.

 

[Bazal]

Alba's status on Facebook got me thinking, so I thought I'd get a conversation going over here:

If a dog you own attacks somebody who enters your property, should they still be put down? What if the person entering your property is a child who may not know better?

I think that vicious dogs should not be tolerated in society. That said, I think the owners should bear the punishment, not the dog. If a dog attacks someone, confiscate it, charge the owner, ban them from owning a dog in future, make them pay for retraining and, if that's impossible, make them pay the cost of euthanising the dog. Putting the dog down should be the last option, stamping out the people who make them that way is more important. Otherwise they just get a new dog and do it all over again.

 

[Joker's Wild]

I think that vicious dogs should not be tolerated in society. That said, I think the owners should bear the punishment, not the dog. If a dog attacks someone, confiscate it, charge the owner, ban them from owning a dog in future, make them pay for retraining and, if that's impossible, make them pay the cost of euthanising the dog. Putting the dog down should be the last option, stamping out the people who make them that way is more important. Otherwise they just get a new dog and do it all over again.

If you have a dog that has been labled dangerous or been put down due to a dangerous act, there are restrictions on you registering a dog in the future. At least that is the way of things in the Brisbane council

Of course, you can get around this by just not registering your dog but at least the councils do something

 

[Joker's Wild]

Dogs should not be attacking kids, if it were my kid the dog would be 6 feet under.

As a parent and a dog owner I agree, they shouldnt

However I am on the fence about putting them down straight away. I guess it all depends on the childs injuries (a bite on the leg as opposed to being "mauled") which is very grey.

My dogs are sooky as but at the end of the day I cant be sure exactly what they would do if a stranger came into the yard unannounced, child or not. Dogs are territorial animals and even the most timid ones will use their only weapon, their mouth, if they feel threatened physically.

 

[Misanthrope]

How about people not going into a yard that apparently had warning signs clearly staying they have guard dogs.

It's not as though the dogs attacked some kid on the street ffs.

He's a ten year old. I'm sure he could read the signs, but children are not possessed with a great deal of common sense. If he believed his brother was at the address as the news reports, he probably assumed that the dogs were safe.

Hell, if he lived across the street, he's probably seen them every day and thought they wouldn't attack him.

Stupid of him, perhaps, but the owners still should be able to teach their dogs to differentiate between a dangerous intruder and a ten year old kid.

 

[Dragon2010]

I got attacked by a goat once. True story.

 

[Rhino_NQ]

I got attacked by a goat once. True story.

well no means no

 

[Rhino_NQ]

just read this and thought of the previous mental health topic

It is a widely known and accepted fact that most young boys have a tendency to be a bit on the wild side, but most parents do not usually have to go as far as chaining their sons up like dogs.
But such is the case with a severely mentally handicapped boy named He Zili, an 11-year-old living in Zhejiang, the eastern coastal province of China. He Zili has spent the majority of his life chained up and cared for by his intellectually handicapped father and his physically handicapped grandfather since the death of his mother, who died from cancer years ago.
He Zili suffers from acute brain damage. His family says he injured his head when he was just one year old, and has unfortunately never been able to return to normal. His family say that they have no choice but to keep him locked up to a chain because he has a tendency to attack people at random, unpredictable moments. His bondage is also partly for his own safety, as the mentally handicapped boy is additionally prone to running away on his own and getting lost.
At his home, young He Zili is always strapped to a metal chain that his father and grandfather keep securely locked on one of his ankles. When the whole family must go into public together, He is led around by his chain and must be constantly watched and stopped from attacking random strangers. It is difficult for He’s father and grandfather to care for him, as the family is impoverished and lack adequate means to support the special needs of the boy.
This unfortunate situation is just one example of how mental disorders are poorly dealt with in China. China’s National Center for Mental Health recently released statistics showing that in 2013, roughly 100 million, or one out of every 13 Chinese people suffer from some form of mental illness, including paranoid psychosis and schizophrenia

 

[Misanthrope]

A man ended up behind bars after catching a boy showering with his daughter, police in Georgia said.

Athens Police said that they arrested the 49-year-old father of the girl on Tuesday, on charges of assault and cruelty to children after he allegedly beat the teen for showering with his daughter.

The incident began when police responded to a call from Clinton Antonio Ward, who said that he caught a teen inside his apartment.

When officers arrived, they spoke to Ward outside of the home, but when they entered, the saw Ward’s 16-year-old daughter and her 16-year-old boyfriend.

Ward told police that when he came home and sat down on his couch he heard his daughter talking in the bathroom, and at first he thought she was on the phone. However, suddenly, he heard a man’s voice.

After a few minutes, Ward’s daughter came out of the bathroom wrapped in a towel while her boyfriend came out without clothes. That is when Ward began cursing and yelling at the two teens.

The two teens quickly ran into a bedroom, and as the boy was picking up his clothes, Ward pushed him against a wall, and punched him in the chest and face. The girl said that she was also hit in the face.

Police arrested Ward, and charged him with battery and cruelty to children.

While I don't condone the man hitting his daughter (allegedly), I am all on board with him putting a beating on the boy in his house trying to (if not already having succeeded to) violate his daughter.

When I went to stay with my girlfriend in the US I was 25 and she was 24. Her father respectfully asked that we have separate rooms while I was under his roof, and that was fine with me. It meant we had to get a little inventive, but it was his house and his rules.

If I ever caught anybody touching my daughter - a minor - under my roof, he'd be lucky to get off with a couple punches IMO.

 

[Johns Magic]

While I don't condone the man hitting his daughter (allegedly), I am all on board with him putting a beating on the boy in his house trying to (if not already having succeeded to) violate his daughter.

When I went to stay with my girlfriend in the US I was 25 and she was 24. Her father respectfully asked that we have separate rooms while I was under his roof, and that was fine with me. It meant we had to get a little inventive, but it was his house and his rules.

If I ever caught anybody touching my daughter - a minor - under my roof, he'd be lucky to get off with a couple punches IMO.

Really?

I'm all for having rules but beating up a young kid that your daughter is willingly with is a bit OTT to me. Unless he was obviously a complete ratbag or something but even then.

Would be madder at her than him.