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Ryan

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Brycey said:
Which salary cap were they in breach of?

Just Quickly (at work, don't have time to get ALL 7 years straight, but will find later):-

2001 to 2005:-

Melbourne Storm has fallen foul of the NRL salary cap police for the fifth straight year, being fined $120,000 for breaches dating back to 2001.
The Storm was one of five clubs fined a total of $275,000 yesterday for infringing the cap. The other clubs were Penrith and the Sydney Roosters ($25,000 each), the Bulldogs ($72,295) and St George Illawarra, which plans to appeal against its $32,286 fine.
Melbourne's breaches relate to third-party agreements between sponsors and players who are no longer at the club.
"Fortuitously it's finished now, we've got to the bottom of it," Storm chief Brian Waldron said.
"The club has obviously had a short history of this type of issue but I'm very confident going forward that this will be end of it."
The club has been slugged a total of $431,858 since its initial fine in 2001, including a $130,000 penalty last year for breaching third-party agreements. But Waldron said the latest fine related to different deals.

"It is open to interpretation and it is a convoluted process the way a lot of the deals have been done," said Waldron.
"But it's pretty straightforward that they were issues that should have been aired in one way or another and unfortunately they weren't.
". . . To be brutally honest we've probably been treated favourably given the offences that took place. From that point of view we certainly take our punishment at this time and make sure that we manage it more diligently in the future."
The breaches were brought to the attention of the NRL last year by Waldron's predecessor Frank Stanton, who is also a senior News Ltd executive.
"The NRL is absolutely committed to making this place (Melbourne) work but we can't be exempt from any rules," said Waldron. "Just because we're a News Ltd organisation, that really means nothing. From my point of view that should mean we're as diligent as anyone to make sure we act within the rules."
Waldron said the fine would have no impact on the Storm's ability to re-sign players or target recruits for next season.
Last night, several NRL chief executives called on the league to dock points from clubs that repeatedly breached the salary cap.
Manly chief executive Paul Cummings said last night a fine was a slap on the wrist to a club with lots of money.
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2003 article:-

Storm fined $66,000 over cap
January 30 2003




Four National Rugby League clubs, including Melbourne, were hit with fines totalling more than $400,000 last night for breaching the salary cap.
The Storm, Sydney Roosters, Brisbane and Newcastle became the latest victims of the NRL's salary-cap auditors, less than five months after the Bulldogs' high-profile breach of the $3.25 million limit.
The Roosters, the reigning premiers, were the hardest hit, fined a total of $150,000 for two breaches relating to a contract involving half-back Craig Wing.
Newcastle was ordered to pay $115,000, the Broncos $82,533 and Melbourne $66,698.

Despite the size of last night's fines, NRL chief executive David Gallop said he was confident the salary cap was having the desired effect.

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"I would suggest that the cap is absolutely working and that it's only a natural part of policing the cap that at times there will be fines," he said.
"Almost all relate to payments put in place some years ago but are still washing out of the system.
"The Melbourne Storm, for instance, have been locked into some of their contracts for several years and have been fined previously over the same issue. Those contracts should now have expired."
The NRL board also last night approved the introduction of "sudden-death" extra time to resolve drawn matches in this year's premiership.
AAP
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Ryan

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Also guys...in the year The Storm got caught cheating the cap for 1/2 a decade straight, Waldron DEMANDED that Schubert do an investigation into Manly, as we bought Matt Orford.

It was done, and we were found to be completely clean.

This is what turned me from Melbourne. I liked them before that.

Hypocracy at its best. Paying mountains of cash in fines, then accusing a perfect record clean skin in Manly !!
 
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El Diablo said:
if every club operated like Melbourne then league would die. you keep believing they're somehow helping the game buy poaching players for big bucks instead of developing them and all will be sweet

what a funny little world you live in

so we have melbourne storm. a club which plays in a dump of a ground, yet still averages around 11,500 with hardly any away fans making the trip.

parramatta on the other hand are in RL heartland in a modern all seater ground and with the benefit of away fans only average around 3000 more.

the storm have won 2 comps. in 8 years, whilst parra havent won one in 21 years.

the storm have a great history of discovering new talent whilst parra sign timan tahu, a player the newcastle knights spend lots of money developing.

lets be honest, without Parramatta Leagues covering the losses of a poor footy team, the eels wouldnt be around at all. as a footy club, its the eels that would die.

at least the storm are helping the game grow by developing the game in a new market. parra can hardly do well in getting fans in their own area interested.
 

Brycey

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E.D I'm not out to try and destroy your 'credibility' or anything by saying you said something to its exact, once again use your common sense, the general jist of this thread is Melbourne's conduct. I haven't even checked to see if you said it or not, I'd rather argue the issue not the man...if you want to throw some spanners in the works to avoid the subject then go ahhead, your childish games dont work on me.

Ryan - thanks for at least trying to tackle the issue head on. But somehow I don't think this issue of the Woolford Jr relates to the 1st grade salary cap; its the 2nd tier one. I'm not denying Storm hasn't done something wrong in the past, but that issue is first grade, the thing being asked at the moment is how have Melbourne done anything wrong when abiding by (until proven guilty) the 2nd tier salary cap and having the same amount to spend on young players as does Canberra.
 

Ryan

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dallymessenger said:
so we have melbourne storm. a club which plays in a dump of a ground, yet still averages around 11,500 with hardly any away fans making the trip.

parramatta on the other hand are in RL heartland in a modern all seater ground and with the benefit of away fans only average around 3000 more.

the storm have won 2 comps. in 8 years, whilst parra havent won one in 21 years.

the storm have a great history of discovering new talent whilst parra sign timan tahu, a player the newcastle knights spend lots of money developing.

lets be honest, without Parramatta Leagues covering the losses of a poor footy team, the eels wouldnt be around at all. as a footy club, its the eels that would die.

at least the storm are helping the game grow by developing the game in a new market. parra can hardly do well in getting fans in their own area interested.

Mate, I'm not disagreeing with you to disagree with you (and I'm a Manly fan), but Parramatta find a HEAP of junior talent and develop it:-

(Examples only)
Inu
Hayne
Mateo
Burt
Tonga
Ryan
Lyon
Hindmarsh

then in the past:-

Sterling
Kenny
Grothe

etc etc...

to suggest they don't produce juniors is a tad harsh mate.
 

El Diablo

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dallymessenger said:
so we have melbourne storm. a club which plays in a dump of a ground, yet still averages around 11,500 with hardly any away fans making the trip.

parramatta on the other hand are in RL heartland in a modern all seater ground and with the benefit of away fans only average around 3000 more.

the storm have won 2 comps. in 8 years, whilst parra havent won one in 21 years.

the storm have a great history of discovering new talent whilst parra sign timan tahu, a player the newcastle knights spend lots of money developing.

lets be honest, without Parramatta Leagues covering the losses of a poor footy team, the eels wouldnt be around at all. as a footy club, its the eels that would die.

at least the storm are helping the game grow by developing the game in a new market. parra can hardly do well in getting fans in their own area interested.

off on another tangent again

the Storm have one of the lowest crowd averages in the NRL and they've been minor premiers two years running

the Storm have no history of development. not 1 junior.

Tahu mentioned again. why not mention the local juniors in the side?

without News Ltd the Storm would die

you've again come up with nothing
 

Ryan

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Brycey said:
E.D I'm not out to try and destroy your 'credibility' or anything by saying you said something to its exact, once again use your common sense, the general jist of this thread is Melbourne's conduct. I haven't even checked to see if you said it or not, I'd rather argue the issue not the man...if you want to throw some spanners in the works to avoid the subject then go ahhead, your childish games dont work on me.

Ryan - thanks for at least trying to tackle the issue head on. But somehow I don't think this issue of the Woolford Jr relates to the 1st grade salary cap; its the 2nd tier one. I'm not denying Storm hasn't done something wrong in the past, but that issue is first grade, the thing being asked at the moment is how have Melbourne done anything wrong when abiding by (until proven guilty) the 2nd tier salary cap and having the same amount to spend on young players as does Canberra.

Fair enough mate....and that would be a really hard one to prove either way. I actually think the under 20's comp will help them out in that area. It will also make it a lot easier to manage NRL auditor wise as well.

That said, and this is where I think there may be some confusion.

The Storms alignment with clubs in QLD for example sometimes mean that there may be an uncontracted player that kills it (these special finds they come up with). The Storm recognise the talent, then register the contracts prior to the cut off. I think this gives the IMPRESSION they have a larger pool to draw from. The Norths Devils on that side of things would still have their own contracts with their players. I just think they tear em up if Melbourne require a players services. It's a partnership type arrangement, and Melbourne have it with a few clubs.

Manly have entered into an agreement this year with (I'm guessing the name) The Gold Coast Eagles or something, so hopefully we'll see some talent in God's Country (hehehehe) as well.
 

Brycey

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That is true Ryan, but it's something that any club can/does do. For several years Roosters were drawing from the talent pool of the Redcliffe Dolphins.

If we are to persecute anyone for the crimes being mentioned it would be the Broncos who have shown time and time again disrespect to the QRL, and have drawn from the ranks even not within their own region giving little in return.

Manly have aligned with a Sunshine Coast team, or is it the region. I'm not sure what Melbourne's relationship with Norths was in the past but you cannot blame them for trying to run a successful team, and I'm not 100% sure if they cut all ties with Norths, I know it was being talked about.
 

Stagger eel

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Dallymesenger appears to have lost this agruement completely on the basis of continually changing the subject, it doesn't matter how right or wrong ED is, the fact remains that ED is sticking with the topic in a thread that he didn't even create and yet messenger continually changes the subject by bagging off another club and attacking ED!!

pissweak form messenger..
 

Brycey

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eelavation said:
Dallymesenger appears to have lost this agruement completely on the basis of continually changing the subject, it doesn't matter how right or wrong ED is, the fact remains that ED is sticking with the topic in a thread that he didn't even create and yet messenger continually changes the subject by bagging off another club and attacking ED!!

pissweak form messenger..
ED has not even stepped forward to argue the validity of the 2nd tier salary cap with regards to how Melbourne are doing something wrong by signing Woolford Jr when Raiders have spent their fair share of equal money on promising juniors they must want more.
 

Stagger eel

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tbh I understand the arguement on both sides of the fence and there's a clear arguement against ED's opinion and theory but you need someone smarter than messenger to put it to him imo.
 

El Diablo

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Brycey said:
ED has not even stepped forward to argue the validity of the 2nd tier salary cap with regards to how Melbourne are doing something wrong by signing Woolford Jr when Raiders have spent their fair share of equal money on promising juniors they must want more.
do people accuse your club of poaching top players year after year? yes

do they do this? yes

have they been busted rorting the cap? no

the Storm do it differently except with top juniors
 
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dallymessenger said:
the storm have a great history of discovering new talent whilst parra sign timan tahu, a player the newcastle knights spend lots of money developing.

lets be honest, without Parramatta Leagues covering the losses of a poor footy team, the eels wouldnt be around at all. as a footy club, its the eels that would die.

at least the storm are helping the game grow by developing the game in a new market. parra can hardly do well in getting fans in their own area interested.

As much as I enjoy your work in TFC this is one of the most irrelevant and idiotic posts (especially as it relates the actual topic) I've ever seen... Anyone who would even try an argument that the Parramatta District isn't developing juniors knows absolutely ZERO about the game...
 

Stagger eel

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Brycey said:
ED has not even stepped forward to argue the validity of the 2nd tier salary cap with regards to how Melbourne are doing something wrong by signing Woolford Jr when Raiders have spent their fair share of equal money on promising juniors they must want more.

I agree..check my post straight after, but it appears that messenger's stupidly attacking another club on the basis that ED supports him.
 

Brycey

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El Diablo said:
do people accuse your club of poaching topl players year after year? yes

do they do this? yes

have they been busted rorting the cap? no
So where are your precious sources to prove your argument.

Or is this one of those things called an opinion that you keep going on about. :lol:
 

El Diablo

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Brycey said:
So where are your precious sources to prove your argument.

Or is this one of those things called an opinion that you keep going on about. :lol:

prove what argument?

are you denying your club has signed top players from other clubs in recent years?

Souths are heading that way a bit too now. read recent threads on it
 

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