Victorian Born Storm Players

[dallymessenger]

ED, youve admitted you arent exactly sure about which eels players are juniors.

since you arent exactly an expert on the team you actually follow, what makes you an expert on a rival team which youd know even less about.

 

[El Diablo]

coming from the person who didnt know what the 2nd tier salary cap was i find that really amusing.

if youve learned nothing else from this thread, at least you know about the 2nd tier salary cap .

the guy didnt even know there was a 2nd tier cap.

since you are a little slow, there is a 2nd tier SC

coming from someone who didnt know about the 2nd tier salary cap, your a full brick wall yourself.

so youve not heard of the 2nd tier Salary cap then.

every time it's been addressed by me

but the broken record goes on and and on....

thick as a brick

 

[dallymessenger]

every time it's been addressed by me

but the broken record goes on and and on....

thick as a brick

i thought you said you were going to ignore me from now on.

couldnt help yourself could you.

ive done my job.

it wasnt that hard really showing how stupid your position was

cheers

 

[Stagger eel]

wherd you get 10 coming from your junior ranks. your other eel mate had it at 7 max.

and i hope you arent counting or ben smith as locals, as they were pinched from queensland and the country.

by juniors i dont mean local teams in the area. ie grew up around the area, played for some local teams in the area and then got spotted by the eels.

not noel cleal going to a schoolboys carnival in the bush and signing the player for the eels and chucking him in jersey fleg or harold mathews.

we are talking about players developed by that area

the 10 players do not include Ben Smith, Ben however is one of 7 who came through development system at a very young age.

if you care so much, I can list the 10 players if you want...but only if you really give a sh*t, but something tells me that you're only interested in bagging my club out of spite..

 

[Brycey]

You forgeting that Souths was out of the comp and had to rebuild a team from scratch. They had to buy players in those first few years to field a team.
When we came back in it was Gould that did alot of the recruitment. Now that we are back on our feet and have decent management we are back to how it use to be using our own and retaining as many as possible, trying to buy as many back as possible.
Except Anasta you guys can keep him.

I'm not saying you guys have noy done well, you asked in a previous post who was coming 2nd, which was abit short sighted to assume you are first.

They don't hand out golden stickers for effort, based on local juniors playing for their team its gotta be Knights or Penrith 1st.

 

[Brycey]

Theres more to Souths than just Redfern. But Roosters have 0% culture, take from everyone else and give back nothing to the game. Not saying this because I dont like them. It's just true. They should relocate to Central Coast. They would get actual crowds for a change, they will have a junior base for a change. But they probably wouldn't look after them.

Mate see thats where I feel sorry for you. You are so divulged by your hate for the Roosters you only look at the club side of things.

Say what you want, but at the end of day with 100 years and guys like Dally Messenger, Dave Brown, Arthur Beetson, Brad Fittler you learn to develop some kind of culture. I'm very proud of what my team has achieved.

For some reason you have it in your head that the club is the be all and end all of rugby league, rugby league is about what happens on the field, not some douche sitting behind the desk making all the decisions.

I don't agree with certain things my club do, and I'm sure you dont agree with whta your club has done in the past at sone stage and once the honeymoon is over with Rusty and Phac there will be times when the jury will out on them. But thats administration, its something you nor I can help, the only thing we can do is get out each week and support our team.

See as a team I respect Souths 100 years with us and some great achievements., but if I were to concentrate all of what they are about on their admin, I'd hate their guts for what they did to our juniors. Look at the team, not the man behind hte desk.

 

[dallymessenger]

the 10 players do not include Ben Smith, Ben however is one of 7 who came through development system at a very young age.

if you care so much, I can list the 10 players if you want...but only if you really give a sh*t, but something tells me that you're only interested in bagging my club out of spite..

10 out of 25 its 40%, so its hardly something to get cocky about.

ill give you a little tip, i dont actually hate the eels. i think they are a poor footy club that should be doing better given their resources though. their chief executive should be sacked as well. i think parra stand a good chance next year of making the GF, especially if tim smith gets sorted out.

BUT ....

if a parra fan (ED) wants to have a go at the most succesful club in the nrl over the past year, and probably the year before as well, ill just even up the score.

despite what people say, the storm do not get first choice at NRL players. they take players most other clubs dont want and improve them. theyve discovered how many origin players that the queensland nrl clubs missed out on ie inglis, slater and smith.

to really expect the storm to have any players in their FG squad after 10 years given RLs presence in victoria pre 1998 is really dumb. the swans have been around for 25 years and how many actual juniors do they have playing regular AFL each week. and thats with much more money to spend on juniors than RL has had to play with.

victoria is a big market in australia and we cant afford to ignore it. news ltd and the victorian government are investing millions into junior development now, we should be applauding that. there are 16 nrl clubs, and only 1 is in melbourne. why should we lose our melbourne club to gain a team in perth or the central coast. neither will add much to our TV deals like the storm could.

despite winning their premierships, we havent yet seen the real potential of the storm. the new ground, improved juniors and more access on victorian TV will all be achieved in the next 10 yrs

 

[Sonic Star]

Mate see thats where I feel sorry for you. You are so divulged by your hate for the Roosters you only look at the club side of things.

Say what you want, but at the end of day with 100 years and guys like Dally Messenger, Dave Brown, Arthur Beetson, Brad Fittler you learn to develop some kind of culture. I'm very proud of what my team has achieved.

For some reason you have it in your head that the club is the be all and end all of rugby league, rugby league is about what happens on the field, not some douche sitting behind the desk making all the decisions.

I don't agree with certain things my club do, and I'm sure you dont agree with whta your club has done in the past at sone stage and once the honeymoon is over with Rusty and Phac there will be times when the jury will out on them. But thats administration, its something you nor I can help, the only thing we can do is get out each week and support our team.

See as a team I respect Souths 100 years with us and some great achievements., but if I were to concentrate all of what they are about on their admin, I'd hate their guts for what they did to our juniors. Look at the team, not the man behind hte desk.

Those players you mentioned all brought from other clubs. That's the Roosters Culture.
Roosters have been around for 100 years but will probably get overtaken by the Broncos very soon when it comes to success.
No junior base because they couldn't give a toss about the kids in the area.
If you want to hate anyone about your juniors it's your own club that you should hate, than you should be thanking Souths for letting them play in our junior comp and for looking after them as the Roosters failed to do so.
No need to feel sorry for me I don't support the Roosters. If they want to gain my respect and the respect of others they should give back to the game, support the kids of their local area, stop trying to buy comps each season. None of that is in the spirit of the game.
They should just move to the Central Coast, it's for the good of the game. They not needed in Sydney, there is nothing there for them to stay. They can still buy everyone else stars and internationals from the Central Coast.

 

[Ryan]

the 10 players do not include Ben Smith, Ben however is one of 7 who came through development system at a very young age.

if you care so much, I can list the 10 players if you want...but only if you really give a sh*t, but something tells me that you're only interested in bagging my club out of spite..

If he went through your junior system, then I would class him as a local junior mate. He's playing in the juniors, through the development system, and therefore is currently local (probably).

Diabs - that's why I'm kind of swinging to the theory that this POM for Melbourne therefore should be classed as one of their juniors (local). He'll live there, and go through their junior systems.

I think everyone's opinion in this debate is relevant, and both sides can be correct here guys.

 

[El Diablo]

If he went through your junior system, then I would class him as a local junior mate. He's playing in the juniors, through the development system, and therefore is currently local (probably).

Diabs - that's why I'm kind of swinging to the theory that this POM for Melbourne therefore should be classed as one of their juniors (local). He'll live there, and go through their junior systems.

I think everyone's opinion in this debate is relevant, and both sides can be correct here guys.

you can't class them as a local junior

they started off playing elsewhere

Harry Kewell went to England after being spotted as a kid. he aint no pommy junior though

 

[Ryan]

you can't class them as a local junior

they started off playing elsewhere

Harry Kewell went to England after being spotted as a kid. he aint no pommy junior though

Fair call.

Didn't Kewell play for Leeds 2nd's? He also calls himself a Leeds "product" when interviewed.
He can still be an, and play for Australia mate.

I don't know if the term "product" and "local juniors" are the same thing, but I guess it comes down to interpretation.

As silly as it sounds, and I appreciate your argument, I consider the Stewart brothers (from Wollongong), Matai (NZ) as local juniors. They went through our lower grades & junior system, have never donned an opposition jersey, and have only ever played for Manly. They live IN Manly, have done so since they were 18 or something. Are they juniors (local)?

But that's just my opinion.

Based on this though, I hope you can see why OTHERS perception is that they have produced juniors......even Melbourne.

 

[El Diablo]

Based on this though, I hope you can see why OTHERS perception is that they have produced juniors......even Melbourne.

no, not really

you can't class Tim Smith and Hayne both as Parramatta juniors when one is from Queensland and the other is a local

One is a junior. the other was developed by the club

 

[Brycey]

Those players you mentioned all brought from other clubs. That's the Roosters Culture.
Roosters have been around for 100 years but will probably get overtaken by the Broncos very soon when it comes to success.
No junior base because they couldn't give a toss about the kids in the area.
If you want to hate anyone about your juniors it's your own club that you should hate, than you should be thanking Souths for letting them play in our junior comp and for looking after them as the Roosters failed to do so.
No need to feel sorry for me I don't support the Roosters. If they want to gain my respect and the respect of others they should give back to the game, support the kids of their local area, stop trying to buy comps each season. None of that is in the spirit of the game.
They should just move to the Central Coast, it's for the good of the game. They not needed in Sydney, there is nothing there for them to stay. They can still buy everyone else stars and internationals from the Central Coast.

Dally Messenger played at the Roosters due to boundry allocations for players to play within their own areas, Brown never played for any other australian rugby league club.

Say what you want, its pathetic you're blinded by your own hate...just a few years ago people were saying Souths should relocate, its amazing what money does to a club.

 

[Ryan]

no, not really

you can't class Tim Smith and Hayne both as Parramatta juniors when one is from Queensland and the other is a local

One is a junior. the other was developed by the club

Put it this way then. If a player was born in Mona Vale Hospital, has played (for example) Ice Hockey & Narrabeen skating rink all his life, and at the age of 17, a QLD Rugby League club sees his size, and thinks he might be a talent, and plays him. For whatever reason, a year later he get selected for State of Origin, which team does he play for?

Where do they determine him to play if his FIRST club is a QLD side?

 

[El Diablo]

you're being silly

these kids played League, not Ice Hockey

how can you possibly class Folau as a Melbourne junior when his first ever game in the state of Victoria was his NRL debut?

 

[Sonic Star]

Dally Messenger played at the Roosters due to boundry allocations for players to play within their own areas, Brown never played for any other australian rugby league club.

Say what you want, its pathetic you're blinded by your own hate...just a few years ago people were saying Souths should relocate, its amazing what money does to a club.

Has nothing to do with hate it's just true. I dont hate the Roosters I just don't like what they represent and they need to change their ways to gain any respect in the football world. Souths have to much in Sydney for it to relocate. Only reason some people wanted them to relocate was the fact they was broke. Which isn't the case at the moment. We have a juniors base set up and work within the comunity. Roosters need to look to the future cos Politis is getting old and his wallet won't be there to bail them out always.

 

[Stagger eel]

10 out of 25 its 40%, so its hardly something to get cocky about.

first of I believe there's only 24 players in our fulltime squad and secondly, who the f**k is getting cocky???? I'm merely defending my club in a thread where they shouldn't even be the subject of a conversation...

direct your arguement at ED and stick to the topic, that's not too much to ask is it???

 

[Brycey]

Has nothing to do with hate it's just true. I dont hate the Roosters I just don't like what they represent and they need to change their ways to gain any respect in the football world. Souths have to much in Sydney for it to relocate. Only reason some people wanted them to relocate was the fact they was broke. Which isn't the case at the moment. We have a juniors base set up and work within the comunity. Roosters need to look to the future cos Politis is getting old and his wallet won't be there to bail them out always.

Once again you focus on the club side of things and not the football that takes place on the field. Its just plain sad.

And you dont have a juniors base, there is a juniors base that chooses you but you dont have one, Roosters have 4 more juniors clubs than Souths.

 

[Sonic Star]

Once again you focus on the club side of things and not the football that takes place on the field. Its just plain sad.

And you dont have a juniors base, there is a juniors base that chooses you but you dont have one, Roosters have 4 more juniors clubs than Souths.

Club comes first always, I support my club, teams come and go. Players come and go. The club is the one thing that remains.
I follow more than first grade, I follow our junior teams etc. Nothing sad about that.
As much as you like to whinge about Souths and that they dont have a junior base we all know thats just sour grapes.
A Rooster fan shouldn't even be talking about Juniors.

 

[dallymessenger]

first of I believe there's only 24 players in our fulltime squad and secondly, who the f**k is getting cocky???? I'm merely defending my club in a thread where they shouldn't even be the subject of a conversation...

direct your arguement at ED and stick to the topic, that's not too much to ask is it???

rather than call the guy stupid for 10 pages, i thought id tackle it in a manner which is capable of debate.

why not look at the situation at other nrl clubs and compare them to what the storm are doing?

i think the comparison shows melbourne in a flattering light compared to established teams that really should be doing better.

if you are to use ED's criteria for junior development ie the number of kids that played in the junior system in the area and were not pinched from somewhere else like another state, club or the country, then parramatta dont stand up very well.

why shouldnt the amount of juniors the eels have in their FG team be examined, its relevant when discussing the storms achievements in that regard.

its all about perspective rather than just parroting ray hadlee or dennis fitzgerald. it shows how dumb people can be if they want to parrot those idiots