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Victorian Born Storm Players

Brycey

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sydraider said:
wasnt a sh*thouse town in the late 80's to mid 90's.


If anyone has suffered out of expansion, it is the raiders.


Im going to blame the sydney media for making canberra an unattractive venue, it surely wasnt between 87- 94.

f**k the storm.
Canberra is just as bland now as it was then.

And what are you complaining about, Raiders have enough promising young juniors to be a force soon enough. How many do you want? Sounds like you're getting greedy, blame your own administation if you have problems keeping them.
 

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Raider_69 said:
its a start
i wish people would stop rubbishing this sort of thing, everything has gotta start somewhere

I have to agree with you here. I don't agree with alot of what our CEO said and this is one point. Vic is the sporting city of the world, if we can have a large enough RL bason comming out of Vic, it will only do good for the game. They have the talent to provide 12 or full AFL teams plus most of sydneys team are Victorians. We could quiet easly have 2-3 in melbourne if we can build some sort of system. IMO the u/20 comp will do good because now Melbourne has a jnr team based in Melbourne not in QLD, and so they can only help promote the game their. :(
 

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Kurt Angle said:
This seems to be a suitable thread to replace my question.

I watched the u18's affiliated states trials in perth this year.

The halfback for the Victorian side was a guy with the surname of 'Widdup', he was the best player amongst the 4 teams, he was a star. He was also one of only two caucasians in the Vuctorian u18 side.

Does anyone know if he is born in Victoria and nurtured through the VRL ?

or just an NSW'er/QLD'er who moved down in recent years?
Gareth Widdop has made Melbourne NYC side. He is from England and moved to Victoria in 2005.

Widdop grabs Storm place








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Big chance: for Halifax born stand off Gareth Widdop
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By James Roberts





A ONE time Calderdale schoolboy is targeting stardom in Australia's National Rugby League after penning a deal with reigning premiers Melbourne Storm.
Eighteen-year-old Gareth Widdop, who spent four years on Halifax's now defunct scholarship programme before emigrating to Victoria with his family in 2005, will be the only Englishman in the NRL next season following former Leeds full back Richie Mathers' departure from the Gold Coast Titans.
Widdop, the son of former Park Amateurs regular Gary, will initially line up as part of the Storm's under 20s side in next season's new national competition.
"To have come from where it started for me, playing at King Cross as a kid and those four years at Halifax, to having this opportunity is fantastic and a pretty good achievement," said Widdop, a goal kicking stand off who was one of only six locals picked out from the Storm's Academy set up this autumn.
"My main aim now is to have a couple of years in the under 20s and then push for a place in a first grade squad, whether it's at Melbourne or somewhere else.
"But if one of the top squad gets injured this year there is always the chance to get in there if you are playing well enough.
"Melbourne have a lot of great kids coming through and they are not afraid to give them a chance.
"The level of opportunity out here is just so much greater than it is at home."
Chances in the world's toughest competition do not come easy though, with Widdop currently committed to a frenzied training schedule that would put plenty of Super League sides to shame.
"We train in the morning and evening on a Monday and Tuesday, leaving home at 5am to get to the first session," said Widdop, who also spent a year in the rugby union ranks at Old Brodleians before leaving for Australia.
"Wednesday is a recovery day in the pool and then we're in again on Thursday and Friday.
"In all, it's about 10 sessions a week, which is a massive commitment for an under 20s player.
"It's pretty tough mentally as well as physically, but that's the way things are done here. It doesn't leave much room for anything else, so I'm just concentrating on doing as well as I can."
The Storm weren't the only team chasing Widdop's signature, with traditional powerhouses Newcastle and Canberra also fielding offers.
"I went up to Newcastle to have a look round but it would have meant leaving my family," said Widdop, who has been a regular in the Victoria state side over the last two seasons.
"In the end, I decided I was better off with Melbourne."
Bizarrely, Widdop's new team will clash with his old one at the Shay on February 22 in a World Club Challenge warm up, a game which has come a couple of years too early for the former Ryburn Valley High School pupil.
"It would have been nice to play in that," said Widdop.
 

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Some info on some junior players who i know have played in Victoria:

Nathan McKay has played in the Victorian juniors. He is in North Sydney's Premier League train-on squad for 2008 after he played Jersey Flegg for Norths in 2007. He also played some Jim Beam Cup with Seven Hills (early 2007) and Asquith (2006). And played SG Ball and Jersey Flegg with Souths in 2005. He is a giant Maori prop. He makes a lot of metres and hits very hard in defence (although players rarely run at him). He is unfit though and the reduction to 10 interchanges will hurt his chances.
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The Storm moved Victorian Jarrod Stack to the Norths Devils where he played in the Under-19s competition. I'd be very surprised and disappointed if he doesn't play in their NYC team. I heard some other clubs were looking at him.

Teiran Moselen is another player who has played in Victoria. He played 2 games for the Central Coast Storm Jersey Flegg side in 2007. Although i doubt the Melbourne Storm arranged that.


I've heard that Canberra signed Victorian centre/five-eighth Drury Low for their NYC squad for 2008.

I heard Victorian Adam Leslie will play with Burleigh Bears in 2008.

In North Sydney's SG Ball squad for 2008 is centre Jason Tanuvasa who previously played for Victoria at Under-15. I'm not sure how long he lived there, but he was in Sydney in 2007.

Kurt200 said:
Correct me if im wrong but weren't afew Victorian boys signed by the knights acouple of years back. I remember the storm werent real happy bout it when the knights already hav a large junior base to pick from. I think 1 of them is Beau Ryan who plays fullback for Hunter Sports H. Any1 know more bout that?

Beau Ryan was in Newcastle's SG Ball team in 2007 (4 games, 2 tries). He wasn't named in their NYC squad for 2008 but he may be young enough for SG Ball again in 2008.

Laurence Nathan, Petera Tamurua (now both in Melbourne's NYC squad) and James Sandbach were also on a scholarship with the Knights. But i don't think they ever played for Newcastle. Sandbach played Arrive Alive Cup for Hunter Sports High this year along with Ryan.


There were a few media articles when Zac Paczkowski trialled with Wynnum Manly colts in 2006. I’m not sure what came of that.
 

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This article says 8 locals in the Storm NYC squad will be Darcy Etrich, Malo Feterika, Will Naitoro, Laurence Nathan, Petera Tamarua, Pulou Vaituutuu, Russell Webber, Gareth Widdop.


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Storm hopes (from left) Will Naitoro, Petera Tamarua, Laurence Nathan, Gareth Widdop, Russell Webber, Malo Feterika, Pulou Vaituutuu.


MELBOURNE Storm is expecting its under-20s team, which will take part in next year's national competition, to provide it with things that would make this year's premier side even stronger.

Greater back-up to the main squad is one, a more seasoned younger list is another, but most encouragingly for the club, which was set up in a rugby league wasteland a decade ago, it could produce the first dinky-di Victorian to don the Storm's jersey.

The closest the Storm has come to boasting a local product has been former back Jake Webster and back-rower Jeremy Smith, who both spent time in Melbourne before moving to northern states. But that could change, as players such as Laurence Nathan and Petera Tamarua, who were born in Melbourne, have earned spots in the inaugural under-20s squad.

Even more encouraging for the Storm is that there are among eight teenagers who have come through the club's academy system - whose players have been competing in the local leagues - to claim their spots, and while some are relative newcomers to the scene, such as Malo Feterika, who is from New Zealand, and Gareth Widdop, from England, others have come through the junior ranks in Melbourne.

So the race is on to become the Storm's first local product and Nathan and Tamarua are keen to claim the title. "It would be my best achievement ever, I reckon," Tamarua said to Nathan's immediate agreement.

The pair both have parents who have come from New Zealand, a bastion for rugby union, but they said they withstood pressure from friends to remain in league. "When we were growing up our mates were telling us to change to rugby union because there was more competition but we stuck to league," Tamarua said.

And Storm's general manager of development Greg Brentnall, who oversees the academy program, said he was hopeful the current group of graduates in the under-20s squad, which also includes Russell Webber, Darcy Etrich, Will Naitoro, Pulou Vaituutuu, could become first-graders.

"I would like to think that one of these boys is going to get through . . . I would think we're as close as two or three years to bringing a player through the academy program and to the NRL level," he said.

"When the 20s were first mooted we were looking at maybe two players coming out of our local system to being in the squad and we've ended up with eight," Brentnall said. "So from that point of view it's a good indication that through the academy program we've been able to develop these players a bit quicker than we thought we were going to."

He said the under-20s competition would provide a pathway to the NRL that had previously been missing in Melbourne.

"The thing with having the 20s is that there's always been a bit of a void in our development pathway for the young kids coming through the Victorian system. They've always had to go away once they finished school to stay in the system," Brentnall said.

"They didn't see the local competition as part of the pathway to get through to the NRL but . . . we've now got a legitimate pathway where if they're good enough they're going to be able to get through the system here and be able to play in our 20s and hopefully go through and play in the seniors."

He said the under-20s team would also provide a path for those who have not made the squad who are playing in the local league. Storm officials would be keeping a close watch on local leagues as the squad members who were not named in the match-day teams and were not sent to the Storm's Premier League team on the Central Coast, would play locally.

"Last year in the academy program we had four kids that came out of the 18s who decided they had to leave Melbourne if they wanted to improve their rugby league," Brentnall said.

"This year we've got 14 over that age but now we've got a 20s squad and the fact is (even) if they are not in the squad there's still going to be opportunities for our Victorian kids. What we are trying to show them is that there is still a pathway for them, that they can be involved here.

"There's going to be injuries and whatever in the under-20s squad during the year and if they're playing good, strong, competitive league in the local competition they are going to be in prime position to getting a position in the under-20s."

Under-20s coach Brad Arthur said the academy players would not be out of place in the squad dominated by players from rugby league heartlands.

"To be honest, they were a little bit behind the eight-ball when we first came together, but it's just hard because Melbourne does not have a rugby league culture. But to the boys' credit they have really trained hard and picked up and they're back 'even stevens' with the other blokes now so it hasn't taken long," Arthur said.
 

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The best thing for Melbourne to do develop Victorian juniors would be for the Storm to introduce a SG Ball (Under-18s) and Harold Matthews (Under-16s) teams into the NSWRL Junior Rep competitions. With these sides made up of Victorians rather than imported players.

The Gold Coast have enterred a side in the SG Ball competition for 2008 even though they already have quality junior competitions in Queensland.
It's a short competition, only 9 or 10 rounds at the start of the year, so it would disrupt the players schooling.

It will get the Victorian juniors on par with juniors in NSW and Qld who get elite training from an early age. The players will develop so much more by playing in this comp. And it will provide a pathway for them into the NYC side.
 

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I think the way the Storm was set up was a big mistake. They set out from the outset with little intention of developing the game in Victoria and just parachuted player after player into the side from NZ/NSW and Q'land.

I am hoping the development model of the WA Reds will be far more succesful in terms of building the game at a local level so when a franchise happens we will have a strong playing base in which to draw our own developed players from.

From little acorns mighty oaks grow!
 

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Perth Red said:
I think the way the Storm was set up was a big mistake. They set out from the outset with little intention of developing the game in Victoria and just parachuted player after player into the side from NZ/NSW and Q'land.

I am hoping the development model of the WA Reds will be far more succesful in terms of building the game at a local level so when a franchise happens we will have a strong playing base in which to draw our own developed players from.

From little acorns mighty oaks grow!

Well said.

The Western Reds were doing a great job at bringing through local juniors into first grade by 1997 (six from my count, including in the WCC).

The Adelaide Rams in their final home game of 1998 (against Manly) had Dean Schifilliti ruled out on the morning of the match with back spasms. The Rams called upon local 17 year old Para Districts player Adam Glover as his replacement. He would have been the [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]first Adelaide local junior to play NRL. However, five minutes before team lists had to be submitted to the NRL, Schifilliti declared himself fit and Glover didn't play. Then the Rams got punted out of the comp, and Glover disappeared (along with every other Adelaide junior). [/FONT]

There is an Adam Glover playing for the Rockingham Coastal Sharks in WA - I wonder if this is the same person?
 

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Perth Red said:
I think the way the Storm was set up was a big mistake. They set out from the outset with little intention of developing the game in Victoria and just parachuted player after player into the side from NZ/NSW and Q'land.

I am hoping the development model of the WA Reds will be far more succesful in terms of building the game at a local level so when a franchise happens we will have a strong playing base in which to draw our own developed players from.

From little acorns mighty oaks grow!
Anything set up by John Ribot was sh*t.
 

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girvie said:
The best thing for Melbourne to do develop Victorian juniors would be for the Storm to introduce a SG Ball (Under-18s) and Harold Matthews (Under-16s) teams into the NSWRL Junior Rep competitions. With these sides made up of Victorians rather than imported players.

The Gold Coast have enterred a side in the SG Ball competition for 2008 even though they already have quality junior competitions in Queensland.
It's a short competition, only 9 or 10 rounds at the start of the year, so it would disrupt the players schooling.

It will get the Victorian juniors on par with juniors in NSW and Qld who get elite training from an early age. The players will develop so much more by playing in this comp. And it will provide a pathway for them into the NYC side.

Do you think theyd have the numbers of players in these grades reqd to make a bit of a go at it?

Not much point entering teams if they aint up to scratch, getting continual hammerings is no god for anyone.

Id doubt they have the numbers/quality at this stage. Even Sydney teams are using imports atthis level.
 
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yakstorm said:
Some of the Storm haters on here are really dillusional, I mean did they seriously think that the Storm would just appear in 98 and all of sudden would be filled with local players good enough to play in the NRL??

The Storm are making their mark in Victoria, TV ratings prove that, growing attendances prove that, growing sponsorship dollars prove that, and most importantly the fact that last year over 20,000 kids played Rugby League (the tackle version, thats excluding all the kids who played touch and league/oztag) and this year the stats look encouraging that the VRL could be pushing 30,000 (which is more kids playing League than Manly), they are making good progress in recent times.

No other place in Australia can offer the growth Victoria does to Rugby League, no where else outside of the existing places covered by teams can offer the sponsorship, the TV audiences and potential player and crowd depth of the Storm. I mean look they outdrew a Sydney Preliminary Final, sold out a Origin last year (something Sydney hasn't done for years) and got more to a Test Match than Sydney did and it had the Final as well.

Victorians do like an event, I can vouch for that, but at the same time they wont keep turning up to things if they don't like it, I think the fact that they are still turning up and more and more of them are turning up is showing they are having an increasing appietite for Rugby League.

great post.
 
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taxidriver said:
melbourne kids dreaming of becoming league stars, wanting to watch and play league ahead of afl.................................

you guys live in some sort of farkin' fantasy land, say hi to the oompa loompas for me.

FFS the storm can't even compete with the victory when it comes to attendances and overall interest.


central coast, perth, 2nd brisbane side are three names that took about a millisecond to think of and all more deserving.
i can think of millions of more people that are more deserving of being called RL fans than you.
 
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Woods99 said:
How much are you prepared to bet?

Current Swans players born in New South Wales: Lewis Roberts-Thompson, Nick Davis, Kieran Jack (son of Gary), Paul Bevan, Leo Barry, Brett Kirk, Jarrod McVeigh, Ben Matthews, Adam Schneider. About double this number are playing with other AFL franchises.

Australian Football has been solidly established in New South Wales for many, many, years - since long before the Swans moved here. Some of the more famous VFL/AFL players born in New South Wales include Haydn Bunton, the three Daniher brothers, Wayne Carey, Paul Kelly, Dennis Carroll, Troy Luff, Greg Stafford, and Russell Morris.

yes AFL was so strong in sydney that the melbourne clubs had to rescue the swans from going broke before SL came and gave AFL some fans.

lets see how financially stable the swans and lions are with RL back on its feet and now growing again
 
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taxidriver said:
so you want to look at sydney for the afl and all of victoria for league ?

fmd you are getting desperate

and for the record, Sydney had a self sustained afl comp for many many years

yep, thats the self sustaining comp. where the players wears jerseys which are copies of RL to get people interested.

like the time i saw this guy in club wearing a nice jersey that looked exactly like a balmain tigers on when i told him go the tigers, he sheepishly told me it was an AFL jersey, not a RL one.

the only way AFL can get people interested in sydney it appears is to take our heritage and copy it
 
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taxidriver said:
more lies from the storm rent a crowd.

the sydney afl competition enjoyed FTA coverage for many many seasons
and like the Sydney Swans, ill bet nobody watches.

more people watch RL from my area in sydney than the whole state watching AFL.

the ratings are an embarrassment
 

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girvie said:
This article says 8 locals in the Storm NYC squad will be Darcy Etrich, Malo Feterika, Will Naitoro, Laurence Nathan, Petera Tamarua, Pulou Vaituutuu, Russell Webber, Gareth Widdop.
that earlier article you posted in this thread points out Widdop came over from England in 2005 and isn't a local at all http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/local/Widdop-grabs-Storm-place.3614208.jp

i wonder how many of the others really are?
 

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