vs Broncos Rd 2

[JJ]

EVERYONE KNOWS that the first LINE is to blame for any LINE breaks not the fullback. The fullback did not make the initial miss tackle, he is the one to sweep up some one ELSE'S mistake. That's what you hear the expert panel say, the coaches say, those in the know sat..it's just plain and simple.

Like I said before, it's a given that ALL players should make their tackles even the fullback BUT if the defence is solid and everyone is making their tackles then the fullback shouldn't have to make any.

Other thing is when the fullback makes a tackle it DOES NOT MEAN it's over especially if it's midfield. RTS makes a tackle and there's tackles left for the attacking team it's still on.

Yes, but once Reed was through, RTS should have made that tackle... stupid debate

Alexander was spot on though, they just don't do the little professional things - no desperation when their line is broken, Robson gets a loose ball, breaks the line, and stands for an age with no support, many other things like that - just not the standard that will do consistently well in this comp

 

[Fast Eddie]

EVERYONE KNOWS that the first LINE is to blame for any LINE breaks not the fullback. The fullback did not make the initial miss tackle, he is the one to sweep up some one ELSE'S mistake. That's what you hear the expert panel say, the coaches say, those in the know sat..it's just plain and simple.

Like I said before, it's a given that ALL players should make their tackles even the fullback BUT if the defence is solid and everyone is making their tackles then the fullback shouldn't have to make any.

Other thing is when the fullback makes a tackle it DOES NOT MEAN it's over especially if it's midfield. RTS makes a tackle and there's tackles left for the attacking team it's still on.

Um so what are you arguing about? My point was that RTS needs to improve his one on one ability at the back, sure sometimes you're just gonna get done by great ball runners like Tedesco but the effort against Reed last night was pretty bad. The fact of the front line being responsible for line breaks etc etc is irrelevant. In an ideal world there would be zero line breaks a game or season but thats not kinda how it goes unfortunately so part of a fullbacks duties is to make one on one try savers often.

And again irrelevant last point. Make the tackle on Reed and he has shut down a certain try, at least gives us a chance of getting back and scrambling.

 

[Fast Eddie]

And Billy Slaters the best fullback in the world. I don't care how good RTS goes but he's not my favourite.

Where did I say RTS was the best fullback in the world? I said he should be trying to be, Billy Slater has been there or there abouts for the last 5-6 years at least and has always been an excellent defensive fullback, which is what RTS should be striving to become.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Yes, but once Reed was through, RTS should have made that tackle... stupid debate

Who did Reed go through? Who had Reed?

Like I said before, ALL are expected to make their tackles including RTS who looked like he just ran up to REED and tried to grab his shoelace. However to concern ourselves with RTS missing tackles and not our defence line is the biggest stupidity.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Um so what are you arguing about? My point was that RTS needs to improve his one on one ability at the back, sure sometimes you're just gonna get done by great ball runners like Tedesco but the effort against Reed last night was pretty bad. The fact of the front line being responsible for line breaks etc etc is irrelevant. In an ideal world there would be zero line breaks a game or season but thats not kinda how it goes unfortunately so part of a fullbacks duties is to make one on one try savers often.

And again irrelevant last point. Make the tackle on Reed and he has shut down a certain try, at least gives us a chance of getting back and scrambling.

Where did I say RTS was the best fullback in the world? I said he should be trying to be, Billy Slater has been there or there abouts for the last 5-6 years at least and has always been an excellent defensive fullback, which is what RTS should be striving to become.

Oh you got no idea seriously. You definitely haven't played League ever. It's always easy on the couch.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Alright ban all posts about the Warriors and players performances that are not entirely about the front defensive line. What a great forum of discussion.


This place has a 2nd ozbash, I'm out.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Alright ban all posts about the Warriors and players performances that are not entirely about the front defensive line. What a great forum of discussion.


This place has a 2nd ozbash, I'm out.

Leave then. Your the one that starts off with 'Load of rubbish' when someone disagrees with you.

 

[ozbash]

Alright ban all posts about the Warriors and players performances that are not entirely about the front defensive line. What a great forum of discussion.


This place has a 2nd ozbash, I'm out.

no relation..

leave me out of your tantrums,, pulease

 

[JJ]

Who did Reed go through? Who had Reed?

Like I said before, ALL are expected to make their tackles including RTS who looked like he just ran up to REED and tried to grab his shoelace. However to concern ourselves with RTS missing tackles and not our defence line is the biggest stupidity.

Yes, first issue is the front line, obviously - nobody is saying that it's not... but RTS should have made that tackle, plain and simple - even if they score from the next play he still has to make those - no front line is impenetrable...

 

[jaseg]

I'd like some of whatever a few people here are smoking tbh...

Luke was much improved - popped out of dummy half quite a bit. I still want more of that (particularly actually taking the line on, but his passing after jumping out was fine), but at one point his presence at dummy half was forcing the Broncos defensive line to stop rushing up so hard. A couple of good ideas with kicks into space (one of which was admittedly not well executed) too.

Robson was alright... dunno what people were expected when he signed him - that's pretty much his game. Loads of better halves on the market, but we got the bog average one, and guess what? He's playing really average footy. At least his dummy and run stuff was causing a bit of an issue with the Broncos line. We definitely need to lock down that edge harder in D (how is the Hoff's lateral movement? can we swap them?) though. The idea with the high kicks was a good one (and often actually Johnson taking them, not Robson), as the ball was moving quite a bit in the air.. would've liked more at Boyd & Kahu for sure, though.

Essentially the lost game boiled down to two factors: 1) Our edge defense is rubbish. 2) The Broncos defensive structure is very good at limiting points / our attack didn't create enough opportunities (pick whatever side of that you want, it's the same result).

Broncos weren't stupid enough to play the linespeed trick on Johnson's outside and force him to run the ball, so he didn't (a flaw in his game - if not forced to, he just doesn't take the ball to the line often enough), and thus we saw little from him. Little things like that are the difference between an average coached team and a good one.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Sorry Fast Eddie please come back. I was wrong.

RTS does need to make all his tackles so the Warriors d line can afford to let someone through cos its up to RTS and he's responsible for the break altogether so I should never even dare look or even MENTION who was marking Reed as we should focus on when Reed beat RTS. To focus on that part would be genius. I'm 100% wrong.

 

[Mr Angry]

I'd like some of whatever a few people here are smoking tbh...

Luke was much improved - popped out of dummy half quite a bit. I still want more of that (particularly actually taking the line on, but his passing after jumping out was fine), but at one point his presence at dummy half was forcing the Broncos defensive line to stop rushing up so hard. A couple of good ideas with kicks into space (one of which was admittedly not well executed) too.

Robson was alright... dunno what people were expected when he signed him - that's pretty much his game. Loads of better halves on the market, but we got the bog average one, and guess what? He's playing really average footy. At least his dummy and run stuff was causing a bit of an issue with the Broncos line. We definitely need to lock down that edge harder in D (how is the Hoff's lateral movement? can we swap them?) though. The idea with the high kicks was a good one (and often actually Johnson taking them, not Robson), as the ball was moving quite a bit in the air.. would've liked more at Boyd & Kahu for sure, though.

Essentially the lost game boiled down to two factors: 1) Our edge defense is rubbish. 2) The Broncos defensive structure is very good at limiting points / our attack didn't create enough opportunities (pick whatever side of that you want, it's the same result).

Broncos weren't stupid enough to play the linespeed trick on Johnson's outside and force him to run the ball, so he didn't (a flaw in his game - if not forced to, he just doesn't take the ball to the line often enough), and thus we saw little from him. Little things like that are the difference between an average coached team and a good one.

And Mr Johnson?......1 run...

 

[Rich102]

I'm wondering if SJ was playing to a plan..

Robson seemed to be the designated paymaker and SJ was left with the scraps..

worst Ive seen him play in a long time.

Or since the same thing happened with Chad.

 

[vvvrulz]

Load of rubbish

x 2

 

[vvvrulz]

We're fielding close to our best lineup in our history
Serious questions need to be asked of the coaching if we keep turning in shows like that

 

[Iron Lion]

Has it ever occurred to be people that Shaun Johnson is not an NRL half?

Guy pulls out miracle plays out his ass 1 every 3 games he plays and people think he is a half.

He aint a 7
He aint a 6

He resembles a fullback and plays like one. You aint going to win shit with that.

Warriors are so screwed. Season over already.

Next week can we put dresses on mannering and lillyman before they run out. If we are going to watch our players get their A$$es rammed at least dress them up a little.

 

[jaseg]

And Mr Johnson?......1 run...

I agree it's not enough, not even close - hence my comment about the flaw in his game, and compliment to the Broncos defensive actions around him - Johnson was great against Sheens' Kangaroos in large part because they stupidly kept forcing him to run the ball (his big play in the WC semi? surprise surprise, came off the back of Sinfield forcing him to run). Good coaches know how to limit Johnson (doesn't always work, of course - occasionally he gets it in his head to run at the line regardless and create some havoc.. but nowhere near enough) - either force him to make a decision well before the line and he'll probably pass it on early (or attempt an easily-read short ball on the outside, almost never on the inside), or the much much harder / dodgier attempt to get up fast enough to take him as he catches the ball... the Roosters last year was an example of this - though the ref's 10m in that game was farcical and a big reason why Johnson was totally ineffective...

 

[JJ]

Has it ever occurred to be people that Shaun Johnson is not an NRL half?

.

Week to week, no I don't think he's up to it

I'd have liked him to have a season at fullback to learn more, but that won't happen now... he just drifts too much, and the odd miracle game isn't enough

 

[vvvrulz]

It's customary for SJ to phone in his first few games of the season
And it's f*cking annoying

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

I'm a Load of rubbish x2

OK lol. X3?