WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

Qld Cup currently has 14 teams, NSW Cup has 12 teams.

I'd add them to NSW Cup, make each competition 14 teams, and have some "inter-league" rounds each year (NSW Cup teams vs Qld Cup teams) - hell, even play them as part of stand-alone rep weekends.

Problem is 1. there is no money in joining either comp (clubs in them are only there because an nrl club or a pokie den is paying for them) 2. WA would currently be uncompetitive as current sides are stacked with NRL reserve graders and the best players go to clubs with direct pathways, not clubs without.

Only point to joining would be if it was a time announced period prior to guaranteed entry to NRL. So say they said Pirates are in NRL in 2027, then yes we need a team in either comp from 2024 that we can be signing development players to develop ready for 2027 kick off and avoid the current Dolphins issues.

 

[Wb1234]

Nope I was right when I have consistently said that Australian Tv partners are not paying any more cash in this deal than the last one and that the Dolphins have not brought in any extra money from Fox than they were paying for 16 clubs. Them's the facts.
Thankfully someone else in NZ was interested in the rights there or else we would likely not have seen any increase at all which would have been even more of a massive failure of vlandys negotiating skills than him not getting any more money out of Ch9&Fox!

You just admitted you were wrong above

you can’t take it back

 

[Perth Red]

You just admitted you were wrong above

you can’t take it back

You really hard of understanding arent you lol

Ive been very consistent in what Ive said, because its the facts

SkyNZ deal upped
Fox deal same
Ch9 deal same cash upped contra

For the umpteenth time, the 17th club did not bring in any more cash from Fox or Ch9 that we got for 16 clubs. There I cant tell you it any clearer terms lol

 

[Wb1234]

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You really hard of understanding arent you lol

Ive been very consistent in what Ive said, because its the facts

SkyNZ deal upped
Fox deal same
Ch9 deal same cash upped contra

For the umpteenth time, the 17th club did not bring in any more cash from Fox or Ch9 that we got for 16 clubs. There I cant tell you it any clearer terms lol

Ok I’ll dumb this down

first you said the tv tv deal didn’t rise

now you said it rose by 5 percent

did someone else steal your account and post the last statement or was it you

 

[Perth Red]

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Ok I’ll dumb this down

first you said the tv tv deal didn’t rise

now you said it rose by 5 percent

did someone else steal your account and post the last statement or was it you

Now you are being disingenuous, I said the Fox deal didnt rise. Ive also said the tv deal didnt rise because of expansion. At no time have I said the tv deal didn't rise at all. You're either lying or have delusional thoughts lol

 

[Wb1234]

Now you are being disingenuous, I said the Fox deal didnt rise. Ive also said the tv deal didnt rise because of expansion. At no time have I said the tv deal didn't rise at all. You're either lying or have delusional thoughts lol

Honestly I wanted to see if you would admit your error or try and bs your way out of it lol

 

[Perth Red]

Honestly I wanted to see if you would admit your error or try and bs your way out of it lol

So you're lying? fair enough. Show me where I said the tv deal hasnt increased at all or shut up.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

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Ok I’ll dumb this down

first you said the tv tv deal didn’t rise

now you said it rose by 5 percent

did someone else steal your account and post the last statement or was it you

Perth Red always stated there was a rise, just not from the Australian component of the deal. Sky NZ threw in more money due to competition from Spark Sport.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Problem is 1. there is no money in joining either comp (clubs in them are only there because an nrl club or a pokie den is paying for them) 2. WA would currently be uncompetitive as current sides are stacked with NRL reserve graders and the best players go to clubs with direct pathways, not clubs without.

Only point to joining would be if it was a time announced period prior to guaranteed entry to NRL. So say they said Pirates are in NRL in 2027, then yes we need a team in either comp from 2024 that we can be signing development players to develop ready for 2027 kick off and avoid the current Dolphins issues.

The Capras have struggled throughout much of the last decade due to having no reserve grade players in their ranks. It would be a similar situation for Perth.

 

[Perth Red]

The Capras have struggled throughout much of the last decade due to having no reserve grade players in their ranks. It would be a similar situation for Perth.

And the capras are funded by a pokie den.
It'd be a waste of the games money here, Id rather see the $2mill a year or whatever it costs going to the NRLWA comp to strengthen it. Unless it was part of a staged plan for NRL entry then its a different scenario

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It'd be a waste of the games money here, Id rather see the $2mill a year or whatever it costs going to the NRLWA comp to strengthen it. Unless it was part of a staged plan for NRL entry then its a different scenario

If the ARLC funded travel and accommodation and created an academy in Perth for the best young players across the country not signed by an NRL club then it might work. A national academy in Perth with teams in the QRL competitions could help convince young Western Australians to choose RL over RU, especially if the Pirates are the 18th team.

 

[Perth Red]

If the ARLC funded travel and accommodation and created an academy in Perth for the best young players across the country not signed by an NRL club then it might work. A national academy in Perth with teams in the QRL competitions could help convince young Western Australians to choose RL over RU, especially if the Pirates are the 18th team.

Not without a home town club to play for. Our best currently head east or head to union, especially now Twiggys $'s are behind the Force.
Like I said unless part of a staged entry into the NRL there is no point in thinking about a nsw or qrl cup side for WA and may as well just keep doing what we are doing with our U15's academy and SG Ball to unearth occasional talent for Eastern clubs.

 

[MugaB]

Not without a home town club to play for. Our best currently head east or head to union, especially now Twiggys $'s are behind the Force.
Like I said unless part of a staged entry into the NRL there is no point in thinking about a nsw or qrl cup side for WA and may as well just keep doing what we are doing with our U15's academy and SG Ball to unearth occasional talent for Eastern clubs.

Well if there's no point thinking about a nsw or qld cup team, then there's buckleys chance at an NRL team, unless you partner up with either a nsw or qld cup team

 

[Perth Red]

Well if there's no point thinking about a nsw or qld cup team, then there's buckleys chance at an NRL team, unless you partner up with either a nsw or qld cup team

How are the two even remotely related? A nsw or qrl cup for WA makes no sense, an NRL club for WA makes total sense.

Ideally we will partner with a QRL club and PNG to help develop talent for the game as well as more investment into WA pathways to bring through our local jnrs. Good times ahead for the game if we get the nod.

 

[MugaB]

How are the two even remotely related? A nsw or qrl cup for WA makes no sense, an NRL club for WA makes total sense.

Ideally we will partner with a QRL club and PNG to help develop talent for the game as well as more investment into WA pathways to bring through our local jnrs. Good times ahead for the game if we get the nod.

You'll be sitting at the bottom of the ladder in all competitions you enter regardless, again why would png or qld cup join up, when they are already miles ahead of where perth is, and what is perth going to give back to them, that they aren't getting alone already

 

[Perth Red]

You'll be sitting at the bottom of the ladder in all competitions you enter regardless, again why would png or qld cup join up, when they are already miles ahead of where perth is, and what is perth going to give back to them, that they aren't getting alone already

They are already joined up so I guess they must be getting something! Hopefully Perth can offer them more than they are currently getting from their current NRL partnerships and they decide we are a better option for them.

I'd be going hard at PNG, its a massively untapped bed of talent and without getting an NRL club of their own a genuine partnership and pathway for long term gives them a lot and also provides a Perth NRL club with a lot.

It also gives a Perth NRl club a secondary market to appeal to. We've seen how popular Storm are in PNG with Olam in the side, imagine if we had 3 Olams, PNG on our jersey, PNG colour representation (Pirates current jerseys not far off) and took a pre season friendly to Port Moresby! Thats far more exciting to me than resurrecting the dead Bears in an already oversaturated Sydney market.

There is no reason to believe a well run Perth club would be sitting at the bottom of the NRL ladder any more than any other club. That's just your bias showing through.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They are already joined up so I guess they must be getting something! Hopefully Perth can offer them more than they are currently getting from their current NRL partnerships and they decide we are a better option for them.

I'd be going hard at PNG, its a massively untapped bed of talent and without getting an NRL club of their own a genuine partnership and pathway for long term gives them a lot and also provides a Perth NRL club with a lot.

It also gives a Perth NRl club a secondary market to appeal to. We've seen how popular Storm are in PNG with Olam in the side, imagine if we had 3 Olams, PNG on our jersey, PNG colour representation (Pirates current jerseys not far off) and took a pre season friendly to Port Moresby! Thats far more exciting to me than resurrecting the dead Bears in an already oversaturated Sydney market.

There is no reason to believe a well run Perth club would be sitting at the bottom of the NRL ladder any more than any other club. That's just your bias showing through.

If the WA Government signed a deal with PNGRFL to get talented juniors into the Western Australian school system so they can develop their rugby league skills and get an education then it would a huge positive. I'd be going down this route as a bargaining chip with the ARLC to get the Pirates into the NRL as it promises far more than the Bears can offer. It'll help rugby league become a more mainstream sport in Perth and provide more talent for the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

If the WA Government signed a deal with PNGRFL to get talented juniors into the Western Australian school system so they can develop their rugby league skills and get an education then it would a huge positive. I'd be going down this route as a bargaining chip with the ARLC to get the Pirates into the NRL as it promises far more than the Bears can offer. It'll help rugby league become a more mainstream sport in Perth and provide more talent for the NRL.

There's a few things we could do like a school scholarship program, a mining apprentice program, a Pirates academy in PNG, supporting the Hunters and adding another PNG side to QRL cup eventually, coaching and ref link ups etc. Apparently there is a mining company who has interests in WA, Qlnd and PNG keen to back a WA NRL club. They'd be a perfect partner in supporting something like this.
For the NRL they are killing two birds with one stone in this approach, strengthening player development and the game significantly in PNG, and strengthening a genuine expansion club. Its a win-win whichever way you look at it. Probably too visionary for NRL though.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There's a few things we could do like a school scholarship program, a mining apprentice program, a Pirates academy in PNG, supporting the Hunters and adding another PNG side to QRL cup eventually, coaching and ref link ups etc. Apparently there is a mining company who has interests in WA, Qlnd and PNG keen to back a WA NRL club. They'd be a perfect partner in supporting something like this.
For the NRL they are killing two birds with one stone in this approach, strengthening player development and the game significantly in PNG, and strengthening a genuine expansion club. Its a win-win whichever way you look at it. Probably too visionary for NRL though.

It also helps the federal government build stronger ties with PNG at a low cost. Definitely far cheaper than funding a PNG NRL club to the tune of $10m to $15m per annum.

 

[MugaB]

They are already joined up so I guess they must be getting something! Hopefully Perth can offer them more than they are currently getting from their current NRL partnerships and they decide we are a better option for them.

I'd be going hard at PNG, its a massively untapped bed of talent and without getting an NRL club of their own a genuine partnership and pathway for long term gives them a lot and also provides a Perth NRL club with a lot.

It also gives a Perth NRl club a secondary market to appeal to. We've seen how popular Storm are in PNG with Olam in the side, imagine if we had 3 Olams, PNG on our jersey, PNG colour representation (Pirates current jerseys not far off) and took a pre season friendly to Port Moresby! Thats far more exciting to me than resurrecting the dead Bears in an already oversaturated Sydney market.

There is no reason to believe a well run Perth club would be sitting at the bottom of the NRL ladder any more than any other club. That's just your bias showing through.

No bias just pointing out, there is no difference between having WA involved in the league over any other area, that would do the same thing, if Perth is no good on its own, then why bother, if all you want to do is strip png or any other qcup side of their best juniors, just as you claim the current NRL clubs does to WA, then why isn't the league just handing out a license straight to the source, again its dots on the map stuff
Perth only became a talking point coz origin and the bears, otherwise it was once again tucked away in the ether... they want the talent pool expanded, not adding cities for the sake of cities sake... so having a pirate acedemy set up via a 10.5hr flight is pretty stupid, it also shows how desperate you are talking up perth to no avail...
Like ive said many times before, Perth is a great idea once they are competitive at junior levels, you want to speed that up, join up with the bears, be that club, till the juniors come thru on your own, you cant expect the NRL to hand out a license to a franchise that has no competitive club already running