WA BEARS

[Wb1234]

Actually I’d say that the ones with the creative thinking are the ones not in encumbered by nswrl suburban thinking all their lives.

Yep just what the nrl needs a team in Singapore and teams with no juniors.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes they are, they will always choose a place that gives the rest of the clubs more access to nrl ready juniors, as for redcliffe with cq and png, good on them, but the dolphins aren't some start up franchise whos not competetive, they are a real pathway to 1st grade, png could partner up with any 1st grade side, as it will give them an opportunity to fan out into the comp, whats in it for them to side with Perth, especially if you say that they'll be fielding a resreve grade side for 3-4 year lead up... png could do that themseves, so wtf do they need perth for? You're the one being disingenuous here, basically to anyone who isn't perth, the nrl don't want to start a franchise from scratch anywhere, so they had directed perth to seek out NSB, you dont like it, so want to go it alone by pilfering qcup clubs and png, imagine what the clubs would think about perth taking all their talent, offering nothing in return, perth would be great if they were already an reserve grade competetive ready club, be a shoe in, but they are not.... might as well be toronto

lol you do know that this is the reality NOW dont you? Like how many clubs have QRL or NSW cup partnerships? Canberra, Storm, Roosters, Dolphins, Souths etc etc But its ok for them but somehow it shows Perth shouldn't get an NRL team? You're having a laugh.

'as for redcliffe with cq and png, good on them' So its WA link up with PNG and QRL club bad, Dolphins link up with same good. Hmmm not bias much!

Vlandys probably suggested WA govt to speak with Bears to shut them up lol. Interestingly in the original article it said WA Govt had been suggested to talk to "clubs", plural. Of course the Sydney biased media jumped on the Bears bit without any consideration for who else they might have been directed to.

 

[Perth Red]

Yep just what the nrl needs a team in Singapore and teams with no juniors.

See there you go being disingenuous again. You're idea of expansion is to plonk a long dead Sydney club anywhere so it can be brought back to life, regardless of if its a good idea for that city. Typical NSWRL small time suburban mentality.

 

[Wb1234]

See there you go being disingenuous again. You're idea of expansion is to plonk a long dead Sydney club anywhere so it can be brought back to life, regardless of if its a good idea for that city. Typical NSWRL small time suburban mentality.

Nswrl is the only rugby league competition In the world that was able to expand successfully.

expanding to an area that has juniors is something most people would think is a good safe idea

 

[Perth Red]

Nswrl is the only rugby league competition In the world that was able to expand successfully.

expanding to an area that has juniors is something most people would think is a good safe idea

Yep, good job WA has jnrs.

 

[Wb1234]

Yep, good job WA has jnrs.

Yeh to support a reserve grade side

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh to support a reserve grade side

Is that the sound of goalposts moving I can hear? lol.

 

[Canard]

The criteria for an expansion team should be (my opinion):

- Meet the demand for a new team from those that live and reside in the area
- Grow the popularity of the sport
-Generate more revenue for the overall competition by adding new fans, ticket sales, merchandise, new sponsors and increasing TV money
-Help increase participation and grassroots involvement in the local market

I can see Perth easily meeting all of those criteria.

 

[Wb1234]

Is that the sound of goalposts moving I can hear? lol.

Your arguing with someone else about the nrl wanting to put teams in where they have established juniors

I’m agreeing with him and pointing out your error

I get it all you care about is a Perth nrl team and every argument is tailored to that

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

lol you do know that this is the reality NOW dont you? Like how many clubs have QRL or NSW cup partnerships? Canberra, Storm, Roosters, Dolphins, Souths etc etc But its ok for them but somehow it shows Perth shouldn't get an NRL team? You're having a laugh.

'as for redcliffe with cq and png, good on them' So its WA link up with PNG and QRL club bad, Dolphins link up with same good. Hmmm not bias much!

Vlandys probably suggested WA govt to speak with Bears to shut them up lol. Interestingly in the original article it said WA Govt had been suggested to talk to "clubs", plural. Of course the Sydney biased media jumped on the Bears bit without any consideration for who else they might have been directed to.

I think it's best to avoid arguing too much with dyed in the wool NSWRL fans. I've got most of them on ignore because they don't have anything meaningful to say. The forum is much easier to navigate without reading through their haphazard logic that changes more often than the weather in Melbourne to suit their agenda.

 

[Perth Red]

Your arguing with someone else about the nrl wanting to put teams in where they have established juniors

I’m agreeing with him and pointing out your error

I get it all you care about is a Perth nrl team and every argument is tailored to that

So when you said the NRL wont put teams in areas that have, and I quote "teams with no juniors" you weren't talking about perth? ok great glad we got that sorted out.

Perth has a growing junior base (around 21 Jnr clubs now, elite jnr programs a SHS scholarship program and massively growing female participation and currently produces the occasional first teamer), not good enough on its own for an nrl club yet, but could be by time we have an established one. Supplemented with other areas as most clubs do and all good in the West.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Your arguing with someone else about the nrl wanting to put teams in where they have established juniors

I’m agreeing with him and pointing out your error

I get it all you care about is a Perth nrl team and every argument is tailored to that

Perth has a good local competition for a non-RL state and it has potential to grow. Adding an NRL team to Perth that's based full time in WA and owned by locals will give RL and RU juniors a reason to play in Perth under the NRLWA system. Linking up with North Sydney Bears and playing out of NSO in the NSW Cup will do nothing for junior RL in Perth. We want to grow the game in Perth at all levels, and to do that we need a Pirates NRL club that's fielding teams from U/16s to Queensland Cup .

 

[Perth Red]

Perth has a good local competition for a non-RL state and it has potential to grow. Adding an NRL team to Perth that's based full time in WA and owned by locals will give RL and RU juniors a reason to play in Perth under the NRLWA system. Linking up with North Sydney Bears and playing out of NSO in the NSW Cup will do nothing for junior RL in Perth. We want to grow the game in Perth at all levels, and to do that we need a Pirates NRL club that's fielding teams from U/16s to Queensland Cup .

If the NRl cant make Perth work it really should just give up and revert back to a two state comp and not worry about anywhere else. The ground is so fertile here for RL growth, has been for over a decade. The idea that the only way it can work is to transplant a Sydney club is so laughable, but probably tells you an awful lot about the state of the game in some peoples minds.

And once again I'm not fully averse to a partnership with the Bears, under the right conditions: WA owned, WA branded, WA based in its entirety, WA jnr systems , all games in WA unless NS LC wants to buy one for NS oval.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If the NRl cant make Perth work it really should just give up and revert back to a two state comp and not worry about anywhere else. The ground is so fertile here for RL growth, has been for over a decade. The idea that the only way it can work is to transplant a Sydney club is so laughable, but probably tells you an awful lot about the state of the game in some peoples minds.

And once again I'm not fully averse to a partnership with the Bears, under the right conditions: WA owned, WA branded, WA based in its entirety, WA jnr systems , all games in WA unless NS LC wants to buy one for NS oval.View attachment 63668

Trying to reason with NSWRL fans about expansion is like telling a schizophrenic child in a psych ward that they're ill and need help. They'll just deny there's anything wrong and call you crazy.

The opinions of NSWRL fans are based solely on their feelings and they go crazy when people use facts to explain why a club in a full-time professional competition needs more than "tradition" to survive and thrive. When they're confronted with facts their arguments always revert back to them saying they'll go watch fumbleball if their team isn't kept alive, which is childish and shows they're not true rugby league fans. A real rugby league fan wants what is best for the game and won't let a small but noisy minority stand in the way of progress. I truly fear our game will become niche like RU if we continue to let the NSWRL and its fans hold back expansion.

I'll never trust North Sydney to do what's best for Perth and the game as they're bathed in the privilege and entitlement that's part and parcel of the NSWRL community. They genuinely believe they're special and deserving of special treatment based on their location. It's an archaic 19th century attitude they hold and the reason our game is struggling to progress into the 20th century in the 21st century.

 

[carinashark]

Perth is a big ask as a fly in from the east coast. A team takes up a lot of dollars on a plane. There and back for visitors.

 

[Perth Red]

Perth is a big ask as a fly in from the east coast. A team takes up a lot of dollars on a plane. There and back for visitors.

Mate we have sports teams doing it every week in EVERY sport. This isn't some ground breaking idea to include Perth in a national sports comp lol
NRL has a revenue of $500mill, travel costs to include a Perth team in the NRL come to around $240k a year. I'm sure the NRL can afford it!!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Perth is a big ask as a fly in from the east coast. A team takes up a lot of dollars on a plane. There and back for visitors.

Every other sports league in the country manages to field a team in Perth, even the Australian Ice Hockey League. They don't use teleportation to get from Perth to the east coast. They use on a plane. If they can do it then so can we.

It's the 21st century. Not 1832. Our game is flush with money.

 

[Wb1234]

So when you said the NRL wont put teams in areas that have, and I quote "teams with no juniors" you weren't talking about perth? ok great glad we got that sorted out.

Perth has a growing junior base (around 21 Jnr clubs now, elite jnr programs a SHS scholarship program and massively growing female participation and currently produces the occasional first teamer), not good enough on its own for an nrl club yet, but could be by time we have an established one. Supplemented with other areas as most clubs do and all good in the West.

Perth have the juniors to support a reserve grade side now

it we are talking nrl then it would probably be a decade before they could rely upon thier juniors and not rely on others

of course juniors aren’t the only issue to look at for expansion but your argument we don’t have enough juniors to greatly expand should mean we should focus upon the clubs that do

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Mate we have sports teams doing it every week in EVERY sport. This isn't some ground breaking idea to include Perth in a national sports comp lol
NRL has a revenue of $500mill, travel costs to include a Perth team in the NRL come to around $240k a year. I'm sure the NRL can afford it!!

The ARLC can easily afford the cost. Last year the NSWRL provided Cronulla with a grant of $223,833. If a state body can afford to provide $223,833 to an NRL club then the ARLC will have no problem funding the $240k for travel from Perth to the east coast.

https://sharksatkareela.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2021-Annual-Report.pdf

It's listed on page 29.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Perth have the juniors to support a reserve grade side now

it we are talking nrl then it would probably be a decade before they could rely upon thier juniors and not rely on others

of course juniors aren’t the only issue to look at for expansion but your argument we don’t have enough juniors to greatly expand should mean we should focus upon the clubs that do

Did Souths fill their 2002 NRL squad with 20 players from their NSW First Division team?

According to the Rugby League Project, 26 players were bought from other clubs.

South Sydney Rabbitohs - Gains & Losses - RLP

www.rugbyleagueproject.org