WA BEARS

[siv]

Qld Cup currently has 14 teams, NSW Cup has 12 teams.

I'd add them to NSW Cup, make each competition 14 teams, and have some "inter-league" rounds each year (NSW Cup teams vs Qld Cup teams) - hell, even play them as part of stand-alone rep weekends.

Understand what your saying

But NSW Cup will need to transform to include NSW Country regions and Adelaide

After NRG is setup

 

[siv]

The Capras have struggled throughout much of the last decade due to having no reserve grade players in their ranks. It would be a similar situation for Perth.

So solve the problem by removing RG players

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So solve the problem by removing RG players

A national second division is the ideal competition for teams like the Central Queensland Capras, Northern Pride, Mackay Cutters, Sunshine Coast Falcons, Ipswich Jets, Logan Magpies, Central Coast, North Sydney Bears, Illawarra Steelers and PNG Hunters.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Back on topic, has Dickson done another video?

I'm looking forward to hearing how there's mass interest in the Bears from Alaska to the UAE...

 

[MugaB]

Back on topic, has Dickson done another video?

I'm looking forward to hearing how there's mass interest in the Bears from Alaska to the UAE...

Im betting you wouldn't be such a smart arse, if was the North Singapore Bears

 

[Colk]

Png
Tonga
Samoa
Cook islands
Nz
Queensland
Sydney
Wa
Union
Super league

only four Sydney clubs really produce juniors too. You think the roosters actually produce many players

every Sydney club should be investing in juniors like Penrith are

I don’t agree with going to 24 sides, not with the population with Australia/NZ. However, in saying that we can produce a lot more talent with greater pathways and talent spotting from the Pacific, as well as much better coaching and high performance preparation at the first grade level.

 

[MugaB]

I don’t agree with going to 24 sides, not with the population with Australia/NZ. However, in saying that we can produce a lot more talent with greater pathways and talent spotting from the Pacific, as well as much better coaching and high performance preparation at the first grade level.

You forgot PNG

 

[MugaB]

AFL has the same amount of competing clubs in its metropolitan area... if you're going to quote me do it properly and in context..

Plus quote this... GROTD IS A MASSIVE f**kWIT and only chimes in to push his agenda to rationalise sydney, for some fanciful idea that there is only a limited amount of NRL licences, when there is not, and a competition like the NRL can sustain upto 24 teams, which would make NSWs 10 clubs very minimal in percentage of that make up of clubs.. if anything its better to have 9 Sydney teams all fighting over scraps, as it gives the expansion sides a leg up..

To me if I name another 7 expansion areas (obviously not in NSW) and then look at the make up of the competition with all its current 17 teams/licenses

PERTH REDS
ADELAIDE RAMS
PNG/CAIRNS HUNTERS/PRIDE
WEST QLD JETS
CHRISTCHURCH BULLS
WELLINGTON BEARS (NsB)
MELBOURNE ACES

Space these 7 expansion areas over the next 25 years and we'll get to 24 comfortably, obviously not in this order or exact mascots, but the regions

 

[Colk]

You forgot PNG

PNG is part of the Pacific.

 

[MugaB]

PNG is part of the Pacific.

You mentioned Aus/NZ population, add PNGs 9mil

 

[Wb1234]

Im betting you wouldn't be such a smart arse, if was the North Singapore Bears

Hahhahaaa hahhaaaaa

 

[Wb1234]

I don’t agree with going to 24 sides, not with the population with Australia/NZ. However, in saying that we can produce a lot more talent with greater pathways and talent spotting from the Pacific, as well as much better coaching and high performance preparation at the first grade level.

20 is an easy target

that still leaves Adelaide png central coast and somewhere else

I don’t think population or finances will be an issue either

as the nrl expands more players and money will come into the game

I don’t care what anyone says my dream is a png team. That would be massive for the sport

people can say it’s third world all they want it’s nine million people and it’s largely untapped

the two expansion teams that excite me the most are nz2 and png

 

[Colk]

You mentioned Aus/NZ population, add PNGs 9mil

Even if you add PNG’s population and those from other Pacific nations like Fiji, Samoa, Tonga etc the joint population wouldn’t be much north of 40 million. Even say in 20 years time, that population wouldn’t exceed 60 million.

There are not many competitions exceeding 20 and if they do, they are in much bigger populations than that; or inversely in the examples of European soccer competition they have promotion/relegation systems (and they are also the dominant sport in those regions)

I honestly think if you are going to include every or most expansion options, there would have to be a couple of relocations (Adelaide would be one for example, maybe Perth is the other if they are not willing to start a franchise there). Essentially not impossible but not likely.

 

[Perth Red]

No bias just pointing out, there is no difference between having WA involved in the league over any other area, that would do the same thing, if Perth is no good on its own, then why bother, if all you want to do is strip png or any other qcup side of their best juniors, just as you claim the current NRL clubs does to WA, then why isn't the league just handing out a license straight to the source, again its dots on the map stuff
Perth only became a talking point coz origin and the bears, otherwise it was once again tucked away in the ether... they want the talent pool expanded, not adding cities for the sake of cities sake... so having a pirate acedemy set up via a 10.5hr flight is pretty stupid, it also shows how desperate you are talking up perth to no avail...
Like ive said many times before, Perth is a great idea once they are competitive at junior levels, you want to speed that up, join up with the bears, be that club, till the juniors come thru on your own, you cant expect the NRL to hand out a license to a franchise that has no competitive club already running

It’s like you don’t understand that the nrl isnt going to choose a team based on whose already got jnrs lol. There will be a wide range of factors at play for how they decide who club 18 will be.

Dolphins have just signed up png and CQ for player pathways despite having its own established jnr systems, you’re being very disingenuous to say it’s an issue for WA to do this but happy Redcliffe have done it.

Perth won’t get competitive at jnrs without an nrl team, it’s as simple as that. Our best kids head east or to union, how are we supposed to compete when that is happening?

Bears carry a great deal of risk for WA in a partnership, much more than just joining up with a qrl cup for pathways would do.

 

[MugaB]

It’s like you don’t understand that the nrl isnt going to choose a team based on whose already got jnrs lol. There will be a wide range of factors at play for how they decide who club 18 will be.

Dolphins have just signed up png and CQ for player pathways despite having its own established jnr systems, you’re being very disingenuous to say it’s an issue for WA to do this but happy Redcliffe have done it.

Perth won’t get competitive at jnrs without an nrl team, it’s as simple as that. Our best kids head east or to union, how are we supposed to compete when that is happening?

Bears carry a great deal of risk for WA in a partnership, much more than just joining up with a qrl cup for pathways would do.

Yes they are, they will always choose a place that gives the rest of the clubs more access to nrl ready juniors, as for redcliffe with cq and png, good on them, but the dolphins aren't some start up franchise whos not competetive, they are a real pathway to 1st grade, png could partner up with any 1st grade side, as it will give them an opportunity to fan out into the comp, whats in it for them to side with Perth, especially if you say that they'll be fielding a resreve grade side for 3-4 year lead up... png could do that themseves, so wtf do they need perth for? You're the one being disingenuous here, basically to anyone who isn't perth, the nrl don't want to start a franchise from scratch anywhere, so they had directed perth to seek out NSB, you dont like it, so want to go it alone by pilfering qcup clubs and png, imagine what the clubs would think about perth taking all their talent, offering nothing in return, perth would be great if they were already an reserve grade competetive ready club, be a shoe in, but they are not.... might as well be toronto

 

[flippikat]

Understand what your saying

But NSW Cup will need to transform to include NSW Country regions and Adelaide

After NRG is setup

I actually think inter-league play is a potential quick win, that doesn't *necessarily* have to wait for NRG or NSW Country teams in NSW Cup.

You could even schedule it as "magic weekend"-style events at two of the better suburban venues.

For instance, with 14 teams in each comp, the 14 games could be played as 7 games each at Campbelltown and Dolphins stadium.. or 4 games at venue A, 5 games at venue B, 5 games at venue C.

As far as Country NSW teams go, the added profile of inter-league play & the prospect of playing similar regional clubs from Qld may help spur NSW Cup expansion outside Sydney.

I don't believe we have to wait for them to join before trying a concept like this.

 

[siv]

I actually think inter-league play is a potential quick win, that doesn't *necessarily* have to wait for NRG or NSW Country teams in NSW Cup.

You could even schedule it as "magic weekend"-style events at two of the better suburban venues.

For instance, with 14 teams in each comp, the 14 games could be played as 7 games each at Campbelltown and Dolphins stadium.. or 4 games at venue A, 5 games at venue B, 5 games at venue C.

As far as Country NSW teams go, the added profile of inter-league play & the prospect of playing similar regional clubs from Qld may help spur NSW Cup expansion outside Sydney.

I don't believe we have to wait for them to join before trying a concept like this.

Do you see this as a midweek style knockout or just 2 carnival weekends with not competition? Ie like the old 1950s bush week

 

[flippikat]

Do you see this as a midweek style knockout or just 2 carnival weekends with not competition? Ie like the old 1950s bush week

Initially one carnival weekend, with points counting towards the respective competition tables, and maybe an interstate cup on the line for the competition that has the most winning teams.

I was thinking of it as a mid-season event when a stand alone Origin game is on Sunday, but with women's origin, tests etc making that a pretty full weekend, you could run it as "round zero" in that weekend before the NRL has round 1, when NRL teams don't typically play trials... so it has a clear space in the calendar.

 

[Wb1234]

Reading this thread the guys that “get” expansion are the ones from traditional arl areas

the guys that have the weird ideas are the ones which either never had a rugby league team or were added after the 90s

 

[Perth Red]

Reading this thread the guys that “get” expansion are the ones from traditional arl areas

the guys that have the weird ideas are the ones which either never had a rugby league team or were added after the 90s

Actually I’d say that the ones with the creative thinking are the ones not in encumbered by nswrl suburban thinking all their lives.