WA BEARS

[MugaB]

Yep, good job WA has jnrs.

Not competetive juniors, no way can they beat anything in reserve grade anywhere at the moment, thats the point, you think that they'll get a license, then buy a 30 man squad from all round the league, then in 2-3 seasons when they need to promote from within, (You know those juniors) they'll be competitive, ......
the club will last as long as the reds did

 

[Perth Red]

Not competetive juniors, no way can they beat anything in reserve grade anywhere at the moment, thats the point, you think that they'll get a license, then buy a 30 man squad from all round the league, then in 2-3 seasons when they need to promote from within, (You know those juniors) they'll be competitive, ......
the club will last as long as the reds did

It’s chicken and egg, jnr systems won’t improve without an nrl club, theres only so far we can get them without funding and the opportunity an nrl club brings. There’s a very solid jnr foundation we’ve built over last 15 years here. An nrl club will take it to the next level.
will it happen in 2-3 years, no. Hence why we will need to also look at other partnerships like most nrl clubs do.
In ten years? Yes hopefully we will be producing wa local talent. very few clubs produce enough of their own talent not to be drawing some of it from elsewhere or signing established players from other clubs. you're being very biased saying perth should somehow be different to 99% of other current clubs, some of who have had 100 years head start on this!

look at dolphins, despite being a long established second tier club with supposedly a massive jnr nursery they have signed a 30 man squad of other teams established players and busy signing up as many talented 16-19 year olds as they can from other clubs for phase 2 squad. I mean what’s good for the goose and all that!

 

[Perth Red]

Perth have the juniors to support a reserve grade side now

it we are talking nrl then it would probably be a decade before they could rely upon thier juniors and not rely on others

of course juniors aren’t the only issue to look at for expansion but your argument we don’t have enough juniors to greatly expand should mean we should focus upon the clubs that do

Yes I totally agree, and if in ten years from inception a perth nrl club is producing a fair few nrl players for itself then that is a great success story for the game and a great return on investment in making rl a national sport. I still don’t quite understand why you think that is a bad thing? Some clubs have had a lot longer than that and havent achieved it. We’ve had two WA jnrs make their nrl debuts in nrl this year fir manly and bulldogs, there’s numbers and talent here waiting to be developed.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes I totally agree, and if in ten years from inception a perth nrl club is producing a fair few nrl players for itself then that is a great success story for the game and a great return on investment in making rl a national sport. I still don’t quite understand why you think that is a bad thing? Some clubs have had a lot longer than that and havent achieved it. We’ve had two WA jnrs make their nrl debuts in nrl this year fir manly and bulldogs, there’s numbers and talent here waiting to be developed.

No I said Perth should have a reserve grade team and then after ten years they can produce enough locals to support an nrl team they get a license lol

 

[Perth Red]

No I said Perth should have a reserve grade team and then after ten years they can produce enough locals to support an nrl team they get a license lol

Like dolphins? Oh hang on ……..

 

[Colk]

This conversation is pretty ridiculous. You could put a team anywhere and for the initial years, it will be filled with players from other clubs- GC, Melbourne (still filled with imports), Warriors, Cowboys, Crushers, Reds, Rams etc we’re all filled with blokes who came from other clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

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This conversation is pretty ridiculous. You could put a team anywhere and for the initial years, it will be filled with players from other clubs- GC, Melbourne (still filled with imports), Warriors, Cowboys, Crushers, Reds, Rams etc we’re all filled with blokes who came from other clubs.

Of course it is, wb and mugab want perth to be something that no other club is or has been lol
dolphins are supposed to be one of the best second tier clubs in the country and have filled their first squad with other clubs players and are busy signing other clubs young talent for jnr and reserve grade sides. But somehow WA should be able to produce jnrs, keep them from other clubs and have them sitting there ready for first grade when we come in. Ridiculous doesn’t do the argument justice lol.

 

[Wb1234]

This conversation is pretty ridiculous. You could put a team anywhere and for the initial years, it will be filled with players from other clubs- GC, Melbourne (still filled with imports), Warriors, Cowboys, Crushers, Reds, Rams etc we’re all filled with blokes who came from other clubs.

Perth red said a big obstacle to nrl expansion was lack of players

if he’s right then it makes sense to add teams to areas that can produce the most juniors and not waste a valuable nrl spot on Perth in the hope they might after ten years

we already have the storm that have raided Qld stocks to the detriment of the qld nrl clubs

 

[Perth Red]

Perth red said a big obstacle to nrl expansion was lack of players

if he’s right then it makes sense to add teams to areas that can produce the most juniors and not waste a valuable nrl spot on Perth in the hope they might after ten years

we already have the storm that have raided Qld stocks to the detriment of the qld nrl clubs

So let’s only ever add clubs from queensland and nsw? That makes sense lol.
WA has more jnr clubs than Christchurch. The only place in contention with more jnrs than WA is PNG, but guess what more, WA jnrs have debuted in the nrl in last couple of years than from png. Go figure!

 

[Wb1234]

So let’s only ever add clubs from queensland and nsw? That makes sense lol.
WA has more jnr clubs than Christchurch. The only place in contention with more jnrs than WA is PNG, but guess what more, WA jnrs have debuted in the nrl in last couple of years than from png. Go figure!

Sometimes when you make an argument you should think of the consequences of what your saying

I’m literally responding to your own argument about juniors to show you the consequences of it

me I don’t think juniors are an issue for at least 20 teams

and if we added png the juniors base would be almost infinite

 

[Wb1234]

Jeeze nsw has a lot of clubs

 

[Perth Red]

Sometimes when you make an argument you should think of the consequences of what your saying

I’m literally responding to your own argument about juniors to show you the consequences of it

me I don’t think juniors are an issue for at least 20 teams

and if we added png the juniors base would be almost infinite

what I said is there isn’t enough talent for 24 clubs, which there isn’t, no where near enough. But yeh make an argument out of something I didn’t say, again!

 

[Perth Red]

Jeeze nsw has a lot of clubs

You’d think with that many there’d be no need for Sydney cubs to be importing players from other states and countries wouldn’t you!

 

[siv]

The criteria for an expansion team should be (my opinion):

- Meet the demand for a new team from those that live and reside in the area
- Grow the popularity of the sport
-Generate more revenue for the overall competition by adding new fans, ticket sales, merchandise, new sponsors and increasing TV money
-Help increase participation and grassroots involvement in the local market

I can see Perth easily meeting all of those criteria.

Redcliffe had guidelines

With a basic requirement to invest $2 mi into a professional junior pathway and NRLW

Throw in a ability to run NRG NRLW U21 U19 U17 structure and use a 25k capacity and a CoE

And a ability to generate $25mil revenue

You have what is needed as a NRL club

 

[Colk]

Perth red said a big obstacle to nrl expansion was lack of players

if he’s right then it makes sense to add teams to areas that can produce the most juniors and not waste a valuable nrl spot on Perth in the hope they might after ten years

we already have the storm that have raided Qld stocks to the detriment of the qld nrl clubs

But what you are arguing?

You’re arguing to put more teams in areas where you already have sides because they currently produce talent and by adding sides will produce even more talent? What is the commercial point of this?

Essentially everywhere that currently produces talent already have a side and those that don’t have a side (Central QLD, Central Coast) are simply not big enough or commercially strong enough to have a side or have multiple sides close to them. Thus, it would be analogous to me as a business owner putting more stores in the same area in the hope of attracting customers I already have

Any team you add will dilute the playing talent, at least initially. It is unavoidable. At least beyond that initial time period, any chance that they have of developing any talent is dependant on many factors, most having nothing to do with location and more to do with ARLC and club investment, talent identification etc.

 

[Wb1234]

But what you are arguing?

You’re arguing to put more teams in areas where you already have sides because they currently produce talent and by adding sides will produce even more talent? What is the commercial point of this?

Essentially everywhere that currently produces talent already have a side and those that don’t have a side (Central QLD, Central Coast) are simply not big enough or commercially strong enough to have a side or have multiple sides close to them. Thus, it would be analogous to me as a business owner putting more stores in the same area in the hope of attracting customers I already have

Any team you add will dilute the playing talent, at least initially. It is unavoidable. At least beyond that initial time period, any chance that they have of developing any talent is dependant on many factors, most having nothing to do with location and more to do with ARLC and club investment, talent identification etc.

I’m taking the Mickey out of Perth red

he acknowledges the game needs to be producing more juniors then puts his own crappy club at the head of the expansion queue when in terms of solving the problem of more juniors nz2 or png would be a goldmine for the code in a way Perth never ever will

 

[Wb1234]

You’d think with that many there’d be no need for Sydney cubs to be importing players from other states and countries wouldn’t you!

I can understand when league fans not from nsw see that map they feel intimidated with the reality of rugby league in nsw

that’s why when the fumblers have spent hundreds of millions on juniors in nsw it’s been flushed down the toilet

 

[MugaB]

But what you are arguing?

You’re arguing to put more teams in areas where you already have sides because they currently produce talent and by adding sides will produce even more talent? What is the commercial point of this?

Essentially everywhere that currently produces talent already have a side and those that don’t have a side (Central QLD, Central Coast) are simply not big enough or commercially strong enough to have a side or have multiple sides close to them. Thus, it would be analogous to me as a business owner putting more stores in the same area in the hope of attracting customers I already have

Any team you add will dilute the playing talent, at least initially. It is unavoidable. At least beyond that initial time period, any chance that they have of developing any talent is dependant on many factors, most having nothing to do with location and more to do with ARLC and club investment, talent identification etc.

You give licences to clubs that can compete with the likes of the rest of the competition, they wanted another team in SEQ, so the dolphins, ipswich and easts could all do that, they all had juniors worthy of stepping up to 1st grade or atleast be able to compete, dolphins won it out of being richer, and being an area most away from both neighbouring teams... now ARLC wants to open up this 18th spot to areas that aren't in NSW, (and without saying it areas that aren't SEQ either)... going off those guidelines that dolphins were able to get the license, Perth only fits for being faraway... Nz2 doesn't have a club biding yet, and PNG has a club, talented juniors, and only lacks the richness, but you can't just buy local talent and sustain it, it has to be there already playing in that area for decades, im feeling they will lean towards PNG, but they'd rather NSBears out of Perth or NZ2, as it will tick all the boxes

 

[Canard]

I can understand when league fans not from nsw see that map they feel intimidated with the reality of rugby league in nsw

that’s why when the fumblers have spent hundreds of millions on juniors in nsw it’s been flushed down the toilet

It's pins on a map. No-one is "intimidated" by Google Maps.

You would get a sea of blue if you did the same thing with junior Soccer or Netball.

 

[Perth Red]

Don’t stress boys, more investment in wa jnrs and partnerships with png and a qlnd cup team and we’ll be producing more nrl players than you can shake a stick at! @Pirates2027