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[MugaB]

Yeah but their competition is racking an absolute s*** tonne more money. I’d much much rather their money.

What money are you getting? What percentage? This is exactly why the dick measuring between these two codes, means shit... its like the billionaires in rat race, just betting on everything.. means absolutely nothing

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Eddie McGuire was once asked if afl would copy rugby league and force mergers or more relocations of Melbourne clubs

his answer was in response to what happened in rugby league and he said no they are part of the social fabric

but hey let’s weaken rugby league where it’s the strongest in the world to try and make it successful in small afl states

great argument !

surely if you are being logical then if we want to copy afl then clubs like Newcastle Canberra and the cowboys need to go for Perth and Adelaide

And obviously no rational person is arguing that.

end of the day the revival of rugby league in New Zealand is purely based on the strength of the game in Sydney and the expansionary vision of Quayle and arko

Why would you get rid of financially stable clubs like the Cowboys and Raiders but keep a financially weak club like the Sharks?

There's nothing logical about that.

Cowboys have a world class stadium and generated $8.9m in sponsorship when they finished 15th on the premiership ladder. Sharks play out of a shithole and generated just $4m despite being competitive on the field. So much for rugby league being part of the social fabric in Sydney when Cronulla is dwarfed by a club from a small regional city in FNQ.

 

[MugaB]

The biggest question about any expansion side (or any side really) is whether they can financially sustain themselves.

Absolutely bullshit again... viable doesn't mean theyll bring in talent, let alone grow it... then why the f**k expand there, if the competition isn't getting more players to add to the talent pool to pick from.... money... seems like every f**ker has money, who cares about a SA city that doesn't play the game, when you can have a emotionally charged PNG team, playing the game

 

[MugaB]

Why would you get rid of financially stable clubs like the Cowboys and Raiders but keep a financially weak club like the Sharks?

There's nothing logical about that.

Cowboys have a world class stadium and generated $8.9m in sponsorship when they finished 15th on the premiership ladder. Sharks play out of a shithole and generated just $4m despite being competitive on the field. So much for rugby league being part of the social fabric in Sydney when Cronulla is dwarfed by a club from a small regional city in FNQ.

Who cares fück face

 

[Colk]

What money are you getting? What percentage? This is exactly why the dick measuring between tgese two codes, means shit... its like the billionaires in rat race, just betting on everything.. mrans absolutely nothing

To a degree. For example it depends on what you are spending the extra money on.

Nevertheless, the game doesn’t want to get to the position where you are essentially in the same position as RU. The quality of their sport in this country has essentially been made terrible by the fact that League can attract the much better talent of the two.

League might still be the place to go for Pacific Islander talent but if all the rest of the talent becomes attracted by fumbleball because they can earn a lot more money in that sport than that doesn’t help our code.

 

[MugaB]

To a degree. For example it depends on what you are spending the extra money on.

Nevertheless, the game doesn’t want to get to the position where you are essentially in the same position as RU. The quality of their sport in this country has essentially been made terrible by the fact that League can attract the much better talent of the two.

League might still be the place to go for Pacific Islander talent but if all the rest of the talent becomes attracted by fumbleball because they can earn a lot more money in that sport than that doesn’t help our code.

What talent.. karmicheal hunt, Isareal Falou
Please, if anything we lose more to french rugby than we do to AFL...
You're blinded by the money game, stay in the lane, rugby league bro.. thinking about code wars solves nothing, and comparisons to each won't let you enjoy the product at hand...

 

[Colk]

Absolutely bullshit again... viable doesn't mean theyll bring in talent, let alone grow it... then why the f**k expand there, if the competition isn't getting more players to add to the talent pool to pick from.... money... seems like every f**ker has money, who cares about a SA city that doesn't play the game, when you can have a emotionally charged PNG team, playing the game

Sorry to disagree with MugaB but you have to deal in reality sometimes. PNG might love the game and that’s exciting but they will not be able to sustain itself financially in their current position.

 

[MugaB]

Sorry to disagree with MugaB but you have to deal in reality sometimes. PNG might love the game and that’s exciting but they will not be able to sustain itself financially in their current position.

I don't give 2 shits, they deserve a team ahead of some plastic set up in a city that doesn't play the game

 

[Colk]

I don't give 2 shits, they deserve a team ahead of some plastic set up in a city that doesn't play the game

So who is going to pay for it for then? What’s the point of putting in a team and then it having it collapse in the space of a short time? How does it benefit the sport in any way considering that is what happened during the SL war. Finances aren’t exciting sure but you have to think about these things particularly if the ARLC don’t want to put their own money into the exercise.

Also I’m not enamoured with the Adelaide option - they could definitely sustain a side though. I’m very pro Perth and another NZ side. It’s more than likely any other expansion beyond that would be another Brisbane side and I would be ok with that.

 

[MugaB]

So who is going to pay for it for then? What’s the point of putting in a team and then it having it collapse in the space of a short time? How does it benefit the sport in any way considering that is what happened during the SL war. Finances aren’t exciting sure but you have to think about these things particularly if the ARLC don’t want to put their own money into the exercise.

Also I’m not enamoured with the Adelaide option - they could definitely sustain a side though. I’m very pro Perth and another NZ side. It’s more than likely any other expansion beyond that would be another Brisbane side and I would be ok with that.

So there's like absolutely no money in PNG?
No government, no handouts... nothing huh?
Fk me. NRL could easily report at a loss if they wanted to just to have this exist... they wont, but they could... i mean Melbourne storm was the expansion no one thought would take... but after news ltd feeding millions into it annually, its taken 25 years now to have that team entreanched in a foreign market

 

[Wb1234]

Why would you get rid of financially stable clubs like the Cowboys and Raiders but keep a financially weak club like the Sharks?

There's nothing logical about that.

Cowboys have a world class stadium and generated $8.9m in sponsorship when they finished 15th on the premiership ladder. Sharks play out of a shithole and generated just $4m despite being competitive on the field. So much for rugby league being part of the social fabric in Sydney when Cronulla is dwarfed by a club from a small regional city in FNQ.

Because you all want rugby league to be like afl

afl doesn’t like regional clubs

 

[Wb1234]

I don't give 2 shits, they deserve a team ahead of some plastic set up in a city that doesn't play the game

Amen

png can change the game forever

and gws, the suns and the lions aren’t financially viable yet the afl is praised as visionary for spending billions of dollars to try and make them successful when for a fraction of that we can have a viable png team

 

[Colk]

So there's like absolutely no money in PNG?
No government, no handouts... nothing huh?
Fk me. NRL could easily report at a loss if they wanted to just to have this exist... they wont, but they could... i mean Melbourne storm was the expansion no one thought would take... but after news ltd feeding millions into it annually, its taken 25 years now to have that team entreanched in a foreign market

Firstly, NRL could potentially do that but how likely are they going to do that? The game is incredibly conservative and they don’t like spending money.

On the economics side and this is me being my boring risk adverse self but there isn’t a lot, particularly compared to Australia. People on average earn what $70 bucks a week with most of the population subsistence farmers. Average earnings in Australia are over $75k. It’s also a place that is more politically and economically unstable than ours - we recently had a Queensland Cup side trying to get out of going there because of security concerns.

Logistically, how would this work. How would you attract players? How would you keep any talent you produced? Are you letting in people for free because a lot of their people wouldn’t be able to afford the costs of going to a league match based on prices over here? Where are they based - if they are based in say Cairns and playing in PNG that presents nearly as many problems as basing them wholly in PNG would.

The only way any kind of PNG or Pacific side could ever function and actually compete in this competition would be if they were based totally in Australia or NZ and predominantly play their games in Australia or NZ. If they try and play all or a majority of their games in PNG or the Islands, it just won’t work.

 

[t-ba]

So what do these unnamed “investors“ want for their $15million? Part ownership, sponsorship for years to come? No one is giving team 18 $15mill out of goodness of their hearts!

They probably want to half arse a few seasons in Perth before moving the side full time to an oval near their homes in Lavender Bay.

 

[reanimate]

What talent.. karmicheal hunt, Isareal Falou
Please, if anything we lose more to french rugby than we do to AFL...
You're blinded by the money game, stay in the lane, rugby league bro.. thinking about code wars solves nothing, and comparisons to each won't let you enjoy the product at hand...

It’s about future talent; the Tommy Turbos, Nathan Clearys, Latrell Mitchells etc of the future. We don’t want kids growing up now having their parents encouraging them to play AFL over RL as there’s more money and opportunities on offer in AFL than RL. We need to ensure RL stays on level pegging with AFL in regard to money for that reason.

 

[Wb1234]

Firstly, NRL could potentially do that but how likely are they going to do that? The game is incredibly conservative and they don’t like spending money.

On the economics side and this is me being my boring risk adverse self but there isn’t a lot, particularly compared to Australia. People on average earn what $70 bucks a week with most of the population subsistence farmers. Average earnings in Australia are over $75k. It’s also a place that is more politically and economically unstable than ours - we recently had a Queensland Cup side trying to get out of going there because of security concerns.

Logistically, how would this work. How would you attract players? How would you keep any talent you produced? Are you letting in people for free because a lot of their people wouldn’t be able to afford the costs of going to a league match based on prices over here? Where are they based - if they are based in say Cairns and playing in PNG that presents nearly as many problems as basing them wholly in PNG would.

The only way any kind of PNG or Pacific side could ever function and actually compete in this competition would be if they were based totally in Australia or NZ and predominantly play their games in Australia or NZ. If they try and play all or a majority of their games in PNG or the Islands, it just won’t work.

You know that png hunters having been playing home games (before covid) without a problem ?

 

[Wb1234]

It’s about future talent; the Tommy Turbos, Nathan Clearys, Latrell Mitchells etc of the future. We don’t want kids growing up now having their parents encouraging them to play AFL over RL as there’s more money and opportunities on offer in AFL than RL. We need to ensure RL stays on level pegging with AFL in regard to money for that reason.

Yeh I can see Perth and Adelaide producing a whole lot of future nrl stars

 

[Colk]

You know that png hunters having been playing home games (before covid) without a problem ?

They are also funded by the government and would collapse in a heap if they weren’t.

 

[Wb1234]

They are also funded by the government and would collapse in a heap if they weren’t.

Pretty much all the afls expansion sides taking out the extra money the afl gives them so sure anything is doable

plus you said playing in png would be difficult

 

[reanimate]

Yeh I can see Perth and Adelaide producing a whole lot of future nrl stars

Perth’s a decent chance, yes.

It will also, like Melbourne, help generate money for the code once established.