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taipan

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Yes we do, or we did until,he hid the numbers. Accountability is over rated!

$402x 5
v
$473 x 2
$643 x 7

hmmmmmm, I don’t think contra is going to make much difference lol

Let's dissect based on those numbers you cited.
Before we do that ,The NRL achieved a $43m surplus last time, more than the other codes.Minor point but valid nonetheless.
The NRL deal finishes end 2027 ,the AFL deals finishes 4 years later.So there is a gap time wise giving the NRL 4 years to increase and draw comparisons.Or creep up to if you will to the AFL.
The AFL deal according to the Australian and Abdo includes Telstra and free advertising, that seems to be a decent consideration.LOL
Channel 10/Paramount were the 2nd bidders for the AFL and missed out.That means 9 /Fox/Ch10/Paramount will be available to bid competitively for the 2028-2032 NRL deal.
NRL execs have admitted there will be a decent $ gap between the AFL and NRL.Hardly rocket science.
V'landys has stated the NRL will be negotiating the next rights(2028-2032) deal pretty soon.It appears the 10/Paramount involvement in the AFL and missing out, may well be a blessing in disguise with competitive tension.
Now you may be lucky or maybe not, that there could be 18 teams available for the 2028-2032 period, which will provide an extra viewing slot and money.
You cite figures but don't mention ,the AFL has 18 teams, the NRL still can only offer 8 games per round(despite 17 teams) so that must be taken into account, especially when V'Landys/Abdo negotiated the last deal, there was only 8 games per round.
Of course there will be comparisons between the two codes ,but until they have matching no of teams (where the ratings and interest are ,coz that's where TV advertisers aim),breaking into a sweat is futile.Regardless of who leads the code .
It appears all clubs have their heads above the water now.If V'Landys doesn't perform like any CEO his tenure will be cut short, just like Smith's when he went feral.
 

taipan

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No idea if they would or wouldn’t, smith probably, Greenberg unlikely.
he took a punt and it paid off, I’ll give him that. But in reality every sport got through covid, every sport got started back up that year, some did so and managed to negotiate deals that covered their losses and didn’t sign long term deals at a time of weakness that cost them hundreds of millions of $’s.
in all honesty would you rather have been first in starting back up or second and not lost hundreds of millions of $’s? I know which I’d have preferred!
you can not believe it all you like but reality is we signed a deal that cost us tens of millions in covid years, afl signed a deal that clawed all that back in 23/24. We signed an extended deal well below market value for 23- . afl waited, went to open market and reaped the rewards.
We got shafted, shafted ourselves, allowed ourselves to be shafted, take your pick, by Vlandys poor decisions.
It is the brave in business who take the punt, like the Bransons.
NRL led the way and they saw it was the way to go when others followed.
the nRL made $34m last years more than the other codes,
I've spelt out my response the latest NRL deal.The answer was COVID years, the code was near going out the back door if it had continued. The AFL has signed a deal that ends 4 years after the NRLs current one.That gives the NRL 4 years to get bids from 9/Fox/10/Paramount.
V'landys ,Abdo and the people he had on the board would have taken all issues into account, rather than a key board jockey.Where they were financially, the situation and uncertainty of COVID when they signed.
Anyway I've said my piece on TV deals

This thread Is all about the Perth Bears of which I don't have a problem, provided they come up with certainty, guarantees, long term plans, sponsors, conservative crowds expectations etc.
 

Perth Red

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Back to the bears…..

financially what would the bears bring to a WA partnership?
?5000 NS members, maybe
increased merch sales
Other potential consortium investor members if needed
? Sponsors
some LC investment in Sydney based elite pathways for the team

anything else?
 

The Great Dane

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If you wanted to fast track Adelaide and not spend twenty years getting it ready for an nrl club of its own then yes it would make a lot more sense.

I suspect there would be a massive push back from perth if ns bears were given the perth license.
If they did it like swans and moved the club, ownership, brand change etc all to perth then it would be better received.

A fifo sydney club playing in perth would be mocked mercilessly by other sports and the media, perth is incredibly parochial.
Adelaide doesn't need the Bears anymore than Perth does.

If the NRL really wanted to they could launch a side in Adelaide within the next 5 or so years. All they'd need would be the support of broadcasters and to find some solid local partners, which though likely to be time consuming, shouldn't be too difficult to organise in a market the size of Adelaide.

Yes it'd be an expensive investment, but all expansion into new markets are expensive long term investments. I doubt that Adelaide would cost the NRL too much more to bankroll than the annual grant anyway.

All of Adelaide's problems are caused by lack of exposure, and the only real way you're going to change that problem in the modern market is with an NRL side to push publicity and interest. All 20 years of grassroots work and the odd RL event is going to achieve is RL and the NRL continuing to be totally ignored by the mainstream in Adelaide for another 20 years.
 
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It’s staggering there has only been two news articles challenging the disaster that was the 2023 tv deal! I guess you really can buy the media! still clubs are happy, short term at least, they used it as leverage to make Vlandys pay to keep his job.

Ch9 and New Ltd own most of the media. They benefited from V'landys' shoddy deals.
 

The Great Dane

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Back to the bears…..

financially what would the bears bring to a WA partnership?
?5000 NS members, maybe
increased merch sales
Other potential consortium investor members if needed
? Sponsors
some LC investment in Sydney based elite pathways for the team

anything else?
Increased merch sales in NSW, QLD, and the ACT than a pure Perth side could expect is a given IMO, but who knows what impact, if any, that Sydney's sloppy seconds would have on merch sales in WA (i.e. the target market). I'd also be willing to bet that the majority of those extra sales would be in heritage/retro ranges that the NRL produces as well.

It's hard to tell with member numbers. I guess it depends on how you define members and whether you value cheap gimmick memberships as a way to make a quick buck and pump up your numbers.

I mean if you're willing to sell stuff like $1 memberships then it could net you tens of thousands more members, but if we're talking about serious active supporters then I'd guesstimate that after the novelty effect wore off you'd end up with somewhere around 3-5k members on average depending on how the team's going. Maybe a bit less than that if the side are cellar dwellers for an extended period, maybe a bit more if they are in the penthouse.

With the exception of an LC, which is a model the sport should be trying to move away from anyway, the rest of that stuff a Perth side could achieve on their own without needing assistance from the Bears.
 
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Then you know what the actual deals were and the contra values for deals under Smith, Greenberg ?
Because if you don't know the actual break up, you're p*ssing in the wind.

You forgot Smith f.d up the Tv deal by going early and excluding News, who happen to pay the larger % .
Yeah Gallop brought in the Titans ,and got caught when they got into deep financial trouble.Greenberg wanted to be best friends with everyone,business don't work that way.
You're straying from the topic.

NRL defends media deal after fears of a widening financial gap to AFL
Mark Di Stefano Reporter

Updated Sep 11, 2022 – 6.08pm,
first published at 5.51pm


Pressure continues to mount on the country’s top rugby league executives after the AFL was able to secure a $4.5 billion broadcast rights deal, raising questions about a large financial gap developing between Australia’s two football codes.

The Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’Landys, along with NRL executives, took the decision to extend the broadcast rights deal with Nine Entertainment and Foxtel at the end of 2021 – in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.

That decision has come under scrutiny over the past week, particular as the rights were not subject to a similar competitive tender process which saw the AFL clinch its record seven-year deal.

The NRL’s CEO Andrew Abdo defended the broadcast partnership which will kick-in from 2023. He told The Australian Financial Review the AFL’s moves showed there would be interest from competing broadcasters when the game negotiates its rights beyond 2027.

“The NRL has never been financially stronger,” Mr Abdo said. “Last financial year we recorded a $43 million surplus – much larger than any sporting code.”

“The AFL deal announced this week extends four years beyond the expiration of the new NRL deal. The increased interest in sports rights sets the NRL up to grow our financial strength even further for our next rights.”

‘An absolute disaster for the NRL’

But news of the AFL’s bumper deal continues to reverberate around the NRL. On Sunday, The Sun-Herald’s NRL columnist Danny Weidler reported that club bosses are “seething” that the AFL was able to negotiate a deal that would reportedly leave the NRL between $100 to $170 million worse off each year.

Dr Hunter Fujak from Melbourne’s Deakin Business School and author of the recent book Code Wars - The Battle for Fans, Dollars & Survival said the deal was “an absolute disaster for the NRL” because the AFL now has millions more to fund grassroots operations.

“When you have that much more money over and above your biggest competitor, that translates to hundreds of more development officers in NSW and Queensland, which can further erode the cultural strength of rugby league in its heartland,” he said.

Last week, the academic produced an economic analysis showing that the AFL could be getting more than 50 cents of every $1 going from broadcasters to Australia’s four major football codes by the middle of this decade. Those numbers are believed to be circulating among some NRL stakeholders.

A source close to the NRL said the numbers were incorrect because they included the AFL’s deal with Telstra and free advertising attached to the agreement, known as contra. But they conceded there will be a financial gap between the codes by 2025.

“I liken the situation to the Tour de France sprint, where the leader whips away and creates a gap to the field,” Dr Fujak said. “This puts such a gap between the AFL and the NRL, soccer and rugby union that you could see this as the singularly momentous act in the battle between the codes.”

A third player emerges

During an interview last week, Mr V’Landys said the NRL would be negotiating the next rights to 2031 “pretty soon” and assured the game “we’ve got a few things up our sleeves”.

But the executive also took credit for keeping Foxtel afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic by extending the current deal – comments which have irked some within the pay-TV company.

There are reasons for Mr V’Landys and NRL executives to remain bullish. Paramount/Channel 10 were in the final hunt for the AFL rights last week, which suggests the US-owned broadcaster could push Channel Nine and Foxtel if they bid for ownership of the rugby league rights.

As AFR Weekend reported, Paramount/10 came in second for the AFL rights, bidding around $570 million cash a year in an effort to take the prized asset from under the noses of Channel Seven and Foxtel.

That strong showing raised the eyebrows of many within the media industry, particularly as potential bidding for rugby league, cricket and tennis are on the horizon.
Paramount/Channel 10 is currently home to the A-League soccer, but the broadcaster’s lead Australian executive Beverley McGarvey appears to have the green light to poach more local sport. US-based Paramount Global chief executive Bob Bakish was among those who personally called AFL CEO Gill McLachlan last Monday to make the media group’s final pitch.

Mark Di Stefano is the media and tech correspondent at The Australian Financial Review. Connect with Mark on Twitter. Email Mark at mark.distefano@afr.com

 

Wb1234

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Let's dissect based on those numbers you cited.
Before we do that ,The NRL achieved a $43m surplus last time, more than the other codes.Minor point but valid nonetheless.
The NRL deal finishes end 2027 ,the AFL deals finishes 4 years later.So there is a gap time wise giving the NRL 4 years to increase and draw comparisons.Or creep up to if you will to the AFL.
The AFL deal according to the Australian and Abdo includes Telstra and free advertising, that seems to be a decent consideration.LOL
Channel 10/Paramount were the 2nd bidders for the AFL and missed out.That means 9 /Fox/Ch10/Paramount will be available to bid competitively for the 2028-2032 NRL deal.
NRL execs have admitted there will be a decent $ gap between the AFL and NRL.Hardly rocket science.
V'landys has stated the NRL will be negotiating the next rights(2028-2032) deal pretty soon.It appears the 10/Paramount involvement in the AFL and missing out, may well be a blessing in disguise with competitive tension.
Now you may be lucky or maybe not, that there could be 18 teams available for the 2028-2032 period, which will provide an extra viewing slot and money.
You cite figures but don't mention ,the AFL has 18 teams, the NRL still can only offer 8 games per round(despite 17 teams) so that must be taken into account, especially when V'Landys/Abdo negotiated the last deal, there was only 8 games per round.
Of course there will be comparisons between the two codes ,but until they have matching no of teams (where the ratings and interest are ,coz that's where TV advertisers aim),breaking into a sweat is futile.Regardless of who leads the code .
It appears all clubs have their heads above the water now.If V'Landys doesn't perform like any CEO his tenure will be cut short, just like Smith's when he went feral.
Nrl clubs grants 18 million per club vs 14 million per afl club

every Sydney nrl side gets a bigger grant than the swans do

wtf is afl doing with its money if it’s tv deals are so large. It isn’t going to the players or clubs that’s for sure
 

Pippen94

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Nrl clubs grants 18 million per club vs 14 million per afl club

every Sydney nrl side gets a bigger grant than the swans do

wtf is afl doing with its money if it’s tv deals are so large. It isn’t going to the players or clubs that’s for sure

Gws
 

Perth Red

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Not thats it got anything to do with WA Bears but AFL club contributions in 2021 avg'd out was $16.7mill a club. Expect it to go up significantly come 2025 when the riches kick in. It also gave the players assoc. $60million and is buying a $1billion asset.
 

Pneuma

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Not thats it got anything to do with WA Bears but AFL club contributions in 2021 avg'd out was $16.7mill a club. Expect it to go up significantly come 2025 when the riches kick in. It also gave the players assoc. $60million and is buying a $1billion asset.
Well we know how much you love the afl and your hero Gil. You are his number 1 fan boy! He can do no wrong. For you Gil is gorgeous and Peter is naughty!!
 

Wb1234

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Well we know how much you love the afl and your hero Gil. You are his number 1 fan boy! He can do no wrong. For you Gil is gorgeous and Peter is naughty!!
Yeh

nrl clubs are getting 18 million dollars each with squads of 30

afl has squads of 60? And their clubs are getting 2 million less than ours

its clear that the afl tv deals must include a lot of contra or their clubs would be getting at least as much as our clubs are
 

Pneuma

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Yeh

nrl clubs are getting 18 million dollars each with squads of 30

afl has squads of 60? And their clubs are getting 2 million less than ours

its clear that the afl tv deals must include a lot of contra or their clubs would be getting at least as much as our clubs are
The whinging Pom has a blatant anti rugby league agenda. Every single inference for rugby league is negative. Every single inference for afl he jizzes his pants. It’s an established agenda.
 

Wb1234

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Well we know how much you love the afl and your hero Gil. You are his number 1 fan boy! He can do no wrong. For you Gil is gorgeous and Peter is naughty!!
Actually it’s even worse for the afl

their salary cap is 13.45 million vs ours at 12.1 million

so with their much larger squad sizes that means their players are significantly behind ours as well
 

Wb1234

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The whinging Pom has a blatant anti rugby league agenda. Every single inference for rugby league is negative. Every single inference for afl he jizzes his pants. It’s an established agenda.
Yeh pretty much

afl is the golden child which can do no wrong
 

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