WA BEARS

[Pippen94]

Look at you and your purity tests lol.

Not personally, but he wouldn't tell randoms like us anything important anyway.

Not as much as I'd like to in recent times because of Covid and other happenings, but normally I get out to see them at least a few times a year when I'm in Sydney and they're in Canberra. More than most people whom claim to be Bears fans for sure.

Yes, but I don't really use Facebook anymore and didn't really participate that much even when I did. Mainly just ghosted.

I found it pretty boring frankly. It's a little echo chamber largely made up of a relative handful of diehards whom reminisce about the long past glory days. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but to present it as particularly representative of the average NS Bears fan wouldn't be very accurate.

I do know what most Bears fans want broadly speaking. It's not as if it's hard to find out, all you've got to do is have discussions with them and actually listen to what they have to say about the subject, which isn't hard when you're a Bears fan whom moves in those circles and personally knows a bunch of them.

On some level each individual wants different things in their ideal scenario, but very broadly speaking there're three major groups; the "I don't care I just want the Bears back" sorts, the "the Bears belong in NSW" sorts, and the "NS or it isn't the Bears" sorts. All of them have their issues and are unrealistic in their own ways, and generally speaking all of them are delusional about what's actually achievable.

Well more fool you if you'd waste your time on an endeavour that was so obviously doomed to fail from the beginning.

It was plain to see that there was no future on the CC, yet the Bears wasted a decade there at the expense of exploring better options, such as Perth. Yeah I was one of those weirdos saying that the club should look into Perth over a decade ago, and was laughed at, now Perth is in the hot seat and it's too late for the Bears to capitalise on it.

We're at the point that the Bears best bet would be to seriously start investing in a bid for Adelaide. But Adelaide doesn't need them anymore than Perth does, they wouldn't accept the stupid demands either, and it's probably too little too late anyway considering the rate at which the NRL expands.

See this right here is problem with a lot of Bears fans!

They didn't move the goal posts on the Bears, they decided that they weren't ready to expand. Whether or not that was the right decision is debatable, but to act as if it was some personal affront to the Bears is insane.

Besides, even if the NRL had expanded in 2014 it would have been to either Brisbane, Perth, or both (NZ was a smoky as well, but they didn't have an active bid at the time). So the Bears were never really in the running, and the fact that you think they were, or even that it was a fait accompli, shows that your judgment is completely blinded by emotion.

Good luck with that theory.

PVL only has so much influence, and it won't be like Brisbane where there were multiple options of similar levels of viability. He'll have to choose from the best options, and there's at least one Perth bid (maybe even two) whom would present a significantly better bid than the Bears with or without the support of the WA government.

Which video, the Bears have made a couple now. Oh you didn't know, I'm not surprised...

As far as information that's publicly available, none of the interested consortiums in Perth have been approached by the Bears about the possibility of a joint venture, and the only group the Bears have had discussions with are representatives of the WA government.

In other words there is no joint venture, nor would any of the serious consortiums in Perth agree to a joint venture with the Bears given their demands. So why are we discussing something that hasn't happened, and is exceedingly unlikely to happen?! It's the CC all over again, you're chasing the implausible because you like that outcome better than the realistic options available to the club.

Having hope is great, until you allow that hope delude you into believing the unlikely or impossible is likely or possible at the expense of possibilities that are truly possible and likely.

It's not even allowing the perfect to become the enemy of the good. It's allowing the increasingly imperfect to become the enemy of the increasingly less good.

Frankly, I think a lot of other Bears supporters, and even quite a few people within the club, need their hopes and dreams crushed so they can move on and start working towards achievable goals.

Wait, so there are Perth bids?! I've been told bidding hasn't been opened & nobody has raised their hand. Guess it depends on which way the wind is blowing..

 

[Pippen94]

Let`s face it, the Roosters aren`t a bad fit for North Sydney and surrounds. Especially given the demographic of the region and the image of the Roosters as the NRL`s most aspirational club.

Said like somebody who doesn't know sydney

 

[Pippen94]

That’s an excellent post

tgg is jaded

he’s literally wrong every single post he makes

Yep. Must of been a big superleague advocate back in the day & still miserable the whole thing failed

 

[Centy Coast]

IF we had a Sydney swans scenario where the club moved lock stock and barrel to WA and was run by WA for WA, happy days. But that is so far from what NSLC want that its hard to see a compromise in the offing.
As such, and when a reserve grade comes in for the NRL, the Bears will be left a withering grape on the vine as Roosters increasingly take over the region.

The Roosters development of Central Coast talent has been next to non existent, I can’t recall any players who have come through their system in the 10 years they have been up here.
The Roosters will always prefer to buy to best available talent than nurture it themselves.
Players like Nicho Hynes, the Saifiti Brothers, Connor Watson, Bradman Best, Scotty Drinkwater all came through the Central Coast juniors but no local Central Coast product has emerged from the Roosters since the Roosters nested on the Central Coast.
I’ve noticed a lot of Central
Coast juniors have left the Roosters in S.G.Ball and especially Jersey Flegg for the Bulldogs and Parramatta for an opportunity, if anything the Roosters seem to be cutting back as they once had two teams in S.G.Ball now they only have one.
The Roosters NRLW and Tarsha Gale squads have a good representation of Central Coast talent.

 

[The Great Dane]

How are you informed, all you are saying are personal view points and that’s fine, we all have those, but you tend to feel yours are more concrete than mine or others with a personal point of view.
Facts are, whatever both Daniel Dickson or Billy Moore tell Bears fans atm will be sugar coated, nothing concrete will be revealed until talks are well into the final stages.

I actually have a care to research the professional sports, broadcast, and advertisement industries both in Australia and abroad. I also follow the news about various parties interested in joining multiple different sports leagues in Australia, and have built up a pretty good contact list within the industry for a nobody.

What Dickson and Moore have said in the media aren't just sound bites, they're non-negotiables agreed upon by the board of directors and expressed to their members. There's an expectation both within the institution and the membership base that they'll maintain those non-negotiables, particularly where it pertains to ownership of the license, branding, and games being played at NSO. You can continue to pretend that isn't the case if you'd like, but it'd just make you wrong.

Given the Bears displayed pattern of behaviour I highly doubt they'll even realise that they need to be more flexible on those demands to attract serious business partners until it's far too late, and even then I doubt that they're capable of being flexible enough to attract the interest of any of the more serious players in the field.

Further more the Bears are one of the few bids that are as open to the public as possible about the details of their bid. If the NRL were to call for bids tomorrow this is core of the vision that would be presented to them- https://www.northsydneybears.com.au/a-new-era-our-concept-for-the-nrl/

Bears Roadmap to the NRL

Tribalism: the behaviour and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one’s own tribe or social group.

Proposal:
Reintroduce the Bears as the 18th commercially viable team and inject 220,000 avid fans and members back into the NRL, whilst also engaging with rural and regional heartland.

Summary:

The Bears national brand have a rich 113-year heritage and heartbeat following of die-hard Rugby League fans. A re-introduction into the NRL will engage the loyal club followers to invest their support back in the NRL after 20 years without a home team. Tribalism runs deep at North Sydney Oval with fans from Mt Isa to Wagga Wagga breathing red and black, with the chance to attract new fans nationwide. With such a strong brand and following, there will be obvious excitement for all Rugby League fans to hear the Bears aim to be in the NRL ranks once again.

This NRL goal has seen the structure of the club change, with the above model and astute group of people ready to deliver the NRL’s greatest story in the last 20 years. All the stakeholders have been considered and the time is now to bring all these passionate, loyal, and absolutely “tribal” fans on the journey.

Proposed on and off field season structure:

1. 24 games – 4-6 at NSO (grass roots tribalism), 12 games away and 6-8 games at regional destinations (Wagga, Tamworth, Dubbo, Coffs Harbour, Central Coast (as examples). The NRL to assist with direction to target large regional areas for Rugby League development.
2. Develop and initiate a clear program for country player pathways.
3. Marketing plan to target 220,000 avid Bears fans to attend games and get involved.
4. Media strategy to reintroduce well-known former playing legends to the Rugby League community.
5. Appointment of key social and cultural leader to shadow and guide players, whilst also having a strong presence in the public and player mentoring.
6. 2-4 players per year/per region to be awarded a scholarship to live in Sydney for 12 months and play football after school to further their Rugby League career.

Further information will be released in the coming months regarding Target Areas, Financial Positioning and Key Stakeholders.

As things stand the above is the current Bears bid, they're waiting for the WA government to have discussions with other bidders before talks can continue in earnest, but their initial reception was lukewarm at best according to people in WA, and most of the other propositions that have been put to them seem to be pie in the sky nonsense.

In other words, there is no WA Bears bid currently, it's unlikely that there ever will be, and I'd love to be introduced to their dealer if they think their current bid is commercially viable, let alone stands a chance of winning a license.

 

[The Great Dane]

Yep. Must of been a big superleague advocate back in the day & still miserable the whole thing failed

Nope.

SL had some good ideas (most of which they executed terribly BTW), but I was totally against a broadcaster owning the game.

Most of my fears of the impacts that a broadcaster owning the sport could have were confirmed by News and NRL's relationship in the 00s.

 

[Centy Coast]

I actually have a care to research the professional sports, broadcast, and advertisement industries both in Australia and abroad. I also follow the news about various parties interested in joining multiple different sports leagues in Australia, and have built up a pretty good contact list within the industry for a nobody.

What Dickson and Moore have said in the media aren't just sound bites, they're non-negotiables agreed upon by the board of directors and expressed to their members. There's an expectation both within the institution and the membership base that they'll maintain those non-negotiables, particularly where it pertains to ownership of the license, branding, and games being played at NSO. You can continue to pretend that isn't the case if you'd like, but it'd just make you wrong.

Given the Bears displayed pattern of behaviour I highly doubt they'll even realise that they need to be more flexible on those demands to attract serious business partners until it's far too late, and even then I doubt that they're capable of being flexible enough to attract the interest of any of the more serious players in the field.

Further more the Bears are one of the few bids that are as open to the public as possible about the details of their bid. If the NRL were to call for bids tomorrow this is core of the vision that would be presented to them- https://www.northsydneybears.com.au/a-new-era-our-concept-for-the-nrl/


As things stand the above is the current Bears bid, they're waiting for the WA government to have discussions with other bidders before talks can continue in earnest, but their initial reception was lukewarm at best according to people in WA, and most of the other propositions that have been put to them seem to be pie in the sky nonsense.

In other words, there is no WA Bears bid currently, it's unlikely that there ever will be, and I'd love to be introduced to their dealer if they think their current bid is commercially viable, let alone stands a chance of winning a license.

So all of your information is recycled from Foxtel, the Daily Telegraph, SMH, radio talk back from the likes of Phil Rothfield, Danny Weidler and Paul Kent, Okay sounds good lol
Let’s see how the Dolphins travel in 2023 and wait until near seasons end when talk on expansion should become more transparent.
Until then it’s your opinion, my opinion, blah, blah, blah.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Said like somebody who doesn't know sydney

Said like someone who lived for 45 years in Sydney, the vast majority of which was on Sydney`s inner northwest: Ryde, Lane Cove et.al and several years in the Eastern suburbs. Plus used to make the trek to North Sydney oval in the eighties.
Take North Sydney right out of the equation, in fact forget them, who would be the best team to fill that void. A wealthy, aspirational, multinational, well-behaved team like the Roosters mayhap.
Having said that it really would depend on them getting in there and selling themselves.

 

[Pippen94]

Said like someone who lived for 45 years in Sydney, the vast majority of which was on Sydney`s inner northwest: Ryde, Lane Cove et.al and several years in the Eastern suburbs. Plus used to make the trek to North Sydney oval in the eighties.
Take North Sydney right out of the equation, in fact forget them, who would be the best team to fill that void. A wealthy, aspirational, multinational, well-behaved team like the Roosters mayhap.
Having said that it really would depend on them getting in there and selling themselves.

Ppl hate bondi types even on north shore. Heck, north Sydney won't even embrace manly for same reason & they right next door

 

[The Great Dane]

So all of your information is recycled from Foxtel, the Daily Telegraph, SMH, radio talk back from the likes of Phil Rothfield, Danny Weidler and Paul Kent, Okay sounds good lol

Not what I said at all. In fact, the media are generally a pretty terrible source on expansion. They often get basic facts wrong, like how many bidders there are for example, or insert their own assumptions as fact, which makes most of their conclusions valueless.

The source I linked came straight from the horse's, or in this case Bear's, mouth. Your ignoring it to build a strawman instead is pretty demonstrable of the problem with people like you; that bid is crap, you know it's crap, so you're going to pretend it doesn't exist and pray some fanciful chain of events play out that result in a better bid.

Let’s see how the Dolphins travel in 2023 and wait until near seasons end when talk on expansion should become more transparent.

2023 won't show anything substantive about the Dolphins future prospects, or NRL's options for potential future expansion aside from the possibility of new bids popping up or folding. It'll simply be too early in the process to gain any really useful information.

You'll have to wait at least until the novelty effect wears off, and probably the better part of a decade, before any new information about the Dolphins future prospects becomes clear.

Until then it’s your opinion, my opinion, blah, blah, blah.

No, my opinion is irrelevant.

It's your fantasy bid that doesn't actually exist, and probably never will vs the current Bears bid plan.

 

[MugaB]

Take North Sydney right out of the equation, in fact forget them, who would be the best team to fill that void..

Tigers

 

[Wb1234]

Said like someone who lived for 45 years in Sydney, the vast majority of which was on Sydney`s inner northwest: Ryde, Lane Cove et.al and several years in the Eastern suburbs. Plus used to make the trek to North Sydney oval in the eighties.
Take North Sydney right out of the equation, in fact forget them, who would be the best team to fill that void. A wealthy, aspirational, multinational, well-behaved team like the Roosters mayhap.
Having said that it really would depend on them getting in there and selling themselves.

No chance

 

[Wb1234]

Tigers

Better than no chance

 

[Wb1234]

Yep. Must of been a big superleague advocate back in the day & still miserable the whole thing failed

Yep Canberra going back to the arl broke his heart

then he was a mad brumbies fan watching his heroes like Gregan larkham

then super rugby collapsed and it doubled his misery

 

[Pippen94]

Tigers

Ppl forget North's werent a high flying team. They never had the millionaires tag like easts or manly

 

[Perth Red]

NSFC revenue for 1/4 nov’22-jan’23

memberships $65k
merch sales $37k
Sponsorship $46k

LC grant $137k

financial powerhouse lol

https://www.northsydneybears.com.au/web/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/North-Sydney-District-Rugby-League-Football-Club-Ltd-Profit-and-Loss-52.pdf

 

[MugaB]

Have you got the Pirates financials on hand buddy, pal, lol

Going of the survey posted recently from chairmen and coaches,
44% look like they value proper WA expansion,
16% value increasing the player pool with PNG
12% are in for a rival NZ in the capital of Wellington
12% in others might be Christchurch, Adelaide, or Pacific Islands (also expansion)
And the remaining 16% are happy for another local heartland kick around team in either Falcons, or Bears

 

[Pippen94]

Have ypu got the Pirates financials on hand buddy, pal, lol
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How many times did Perth red vote?!

 

[MugaB]

How many times did Perth red vote?!

He aint no chairmen or coach...
Need to be someone with influence and an ACTUAL stake in the game

 

[Perth Red]

No need, it’s a no brainer to everyone who gets asked.