WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

I can tell you right now that Norths had not agreed to the logos. They still had their own graphic designers working on something to present to the consortium right up to the day the consortium got rejected. As a matter of fact none of the board had even seen the consortiums logos. Only Dicko, Gareth and one of the in-house graphic designers did and neither wanted to proceed with them.

The name was agreed to though. As for the trademarks, WA Consortium went off and did that themselves (off the back of Freshwater Strategy advice) without presenting them to the NRL or Norths first.

Why this bloke is blatantly making up porkies is beyond me. Maybe he is losing track of mind after all was said and done.

Finally, no it isn’t going to be The Bears. It’ll very much be a West Australian club with West Australian geographical identity in the club name.

and that's why forcing a marriage between two groups is NEVER a good idea! WA didnt want Bears and BEARS want to make the decisions.

 

[Pippen94]

The private investment wasn’t 100% legitimate. So much so that the NRL made a decision to intervene and implement provisional measures of control then as more was revealed to them they changed their stance and thought it better to just control the proposed club in-house instead.

The consortium didn’t do their due diligence on their investors. This is on them.

@Perth Red knows this. It's outrageous that he continues to defend bid.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh Pvl had rejected them before that. The Cummings bid was dead early October

By December the nrl was balls deep dealing directly with the wa govt

Have you been following this lol?

They rejected the intial offer, WB wnet back with a counter offer. That was rejected.

I kind of wished the WA govt had from day 1 backed the consortium and told Vlad WA owned or we wont back it. But I suspect they knew NRL/NS always wanted control hence why from before Day1 they were very agnostic about ownership.

 

[Pippen94]

Have you been following this lol?

They rejected the intial offer, WB wnet back with a counter offer. That was rejected.

I kind of wished the WA govt had from day 1 backed the consortium and told Vlad WA owned or we wont back it. But I suspect they knew NRL/NS always wanted control hence why from before Day1 they were very agnostic about ownership.

Lol, like WA government wouldn't ask where bid money is coming from either?!

 

[Wb1234]

Have you been following this lol?

They rejected the intial offer, WB wnet back with a counter offer. That was rejected.

I kind of wished the WA govt had from day 1 backed the consortium and told Vlad WA owned or we wont back it. But I suspect they knew NRL/NS always wanted control hence why from before Day1 they were very agnostic about ownership.

Exactly

Since the wb counteroffer was rejected the December 20 deadline was bs

They didn’t pull their bid Pvl kicked it into touch

They wanted nothing to do with Cummins

 

[Red&BlackBear]

and that's why forcing a marriage between two groups is NEVER a good idea! WA didnt want Bears and BEARS want to make the decisions.

No, nothing like that at all. Peter Cumins/WA Consortium and Bears officials were and still are completely fine however, the Consortium was getting terrible advice from Freshwater Strategy.

If anyone is to blame for WA Consortium it’s Freshwater Strategy and the fact Cumins was taken for a ride by them is reason why he wouldn’t be fit to lead a club.

 

[Perth Red]

The private investment wasn’t 100% legitimate. So much so that the NRL made a decision to intervene and implement provisional measures of control then as more was revealed to them they changed their stance and thought it better to just control the proposed club in-house instead.

The consortium didn’t do their due diligence on their investors. This is on them.

Any evidence for this, or just a source?
Seems to me the decision to go it alone was made very early in the bid process. Be it at NS instance or NRL's hard to know.

The fact the WB bid was able to find an additional $20mill to pay a license fee within 4 weeks of realizing they werent getting away without paying one suggests they had plenty of cash behind them.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

perthwrongs getting smoked here in this thread today. go to sleep cob, you aint it.

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly

Since the wb counteroffer was rejected the December 20 deadline was bs

They didn’t pull their bid Pvl kicked it into touch

They wanted nothing to do with Cummins

Nope, the bid had an end date of Dec 20th. Yes it had been rejected but things change. As I said NRL were banking on WA govt picking up the start up bill after the WB was rejected, when that was rejected they may have gone back to the bid rather than paying for it themselves. As it was they have decided to spend a big chunk of the games money on start up and carry the financial risk themselves. Interesting times ahead!

 

[Wb1234]

Nope, the bid had an end date of Dec 20th. Yes it had been rejected but things change. As I said NRL were banking on WA govt picking up the start up bill after the WB was rejected, when that was rejected they may have gone back to the bid rather than paying for it themselves. As it was they have decided to spend a big chunk of the games money on start up and carry the financial risk themselves. Interesting times ahead!

FMD you can whinge can’t you

Remind me who said the nrl could own the team … but never would

 

[Perth Red]

No, nothing like that at all. Peter Cumins/WA Consortium and Bears officials were and still are completely fine however, the Consortium was getting terrible advice from Freshwater Strategy.

If anyone is to blame for WA Consortium it’s Freshwater Strategy and the fact Cumins was taken for a ride by them is reason why he wouldn’t be fit to lead a club.

I know for a fact the WA bid didnt want to partner with the Bears and were told they had no choice. You yourself have just said NS wanted to make the decision on the brand and didnt like the WB suggested brand. So where am I wrong in what I said in that post?

Id suggest there is something much deeper at play here than some consultancy firms advice, but thats just a gut feeling from some of the stuff you have posted about NS reactions to the WB bid development.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Loop the loop the loop the loop the loop the loop the loop.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Any evidence for this, or just a source?
Seems to me the decision to go it alone was made very early in the bid process. Be it at NS instance or NRL's hard to know.

The fact the WB bid was able to find an additional $20mill to pay a license fee within 4 weeks of realizing they werent getting away without paying one suggests they had plenty of cash behind them.

isnt evidence of this what is EXACTLY HAPPENING NOW RIGHT
it's literally play for play what bears said was happening in posts ages back and now is happening.

why keep doubting this dude perthwrongs? im sure bears might not be 100% on the money with every detail but he has given us enough meat and veg to make a dish.

 

[Perth Red]

FMD you can whinge can’t you

Remind me who said the nrl could own the team … but never would

Go back in here about 10 years and you'll see I was calling for the NRL to own and pay for the club like AFL do when there was no big investors lined up. I think at the time you were saying that would be a disaster and we shouldn't follow AFL? lol

But having had the opportunity for a fully funded WA owned club I would have much preferred that. Could have had my foundational membership pack by now!

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Loop the loop the loop the loop the loop the loop the loop.

theyre talking about an article that came out today alwaysloser, needs attention.. moment attention is on something else he needs to make a post to get attention because he is a sad loser, alwaysloser the resident forum loser lol

 

[Wb1234]

Go back in here about 10 years and you'll see I was calling for the NRL to own and pay for the club like AFL do when there was no big investors lined up. I think at the time you were saying that would be a disaster and we shouldn't follow AFL? lol

But having the opportunity for a fully funded WA owned club I would have much preferred that.

Nah ten years ago I was partying on my boat and not posting on here

So you finally got your wish for an nrl owned team … be happy lol

Stop blaming the bears for the bids demise. Cummins is a twat

The fact this article came out when nobody is talking about him anymore is even more proof of it

The team will go to the right investors once it’s been set up properly

 

[Pippen94]

Go back in here about 10 years and you'll see I was calling for the NRL to own and pay for the club like AFL do when there was no big investors lined up. I think at the time you were saying that would be a disaster and we shouldn't follow AFL? lol

But having had the opportunity for a fully funded WA owned club I would have much preferred that. Could have had my foundational membership pack by now!

If Perth consortium had appropriate funding they'd be in. Alas, NRL working with WA government & bears instead.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Have you been following this lol?

They rejected the intial offer, WB wnet back with a counter offer. That was rejected.

I kind of wished the WA govt had from day 1 backed the consortium and told Vlad WA owned or we wont back it. But I suspect they knew NRL/NS always wanted control hence why from before Day1 they were very agnostic about ownership.

didnt west aussie gov from day one go to bears? in like 2022? im talking abouts this current incarnation of the proposed west aussie nrl club.

 

[Perth Red]

Is 18 months enough time to build a brand new club?
I wonder if they think not if they push PNG to 2029 and Perth to 2028?

 

[i0Nic]

AFL already have done this and will continue to do so.

West Coast are huge and Freo are very popular. The AFL isnt going to go against its tv schedule when it doesnt matter to their crowds when games are held