WA- did we miss the boat ?

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

League no.1 sport in states with over 50% of population - will be 2/3 in future. Afl under pressure to grow hence money thrown at northern expansion. Nrl doesn't need to do this & would be stupid to replicate

Great point!

It makes more sense to strengthen south-east Queensland with new teams. Save Adelaide and Perth for Sydney clubs that wish to relocate in the future.

 

[Perth Red]

League no.1 sport in states with over 50% of population - will be 2/3 in future. Afl under pressure to grow hence money thrown at northern expansion. Nrl doesn't need to do this & would be stupid to replicate

and? Afl has a national footprint with a major presence in every capital city. league is twenty years plus off replicating that, if it ever gets there. Being number 1 in two states is great, uNtil you realise that being number 1 in the country is the end game.

 

[Quicksilver]

That’s only the end game if you’re one of the seventeen people that live in one of the minor states.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Putting new teams in Adelaide and Perth is an attack on the history and tradition of rugby league in Queensland. If there's one state that loves the game, but has experienced discrimination and under representation from 1908, it is Queensland. This is a wrong that needs to be righted before other sports, namely fumbleball, capitalise on the resentment that has built up among Queenslanders.

All us Queenslanders want is for our historical love of the game and unique traditions to be represented at NRL level. Origin has played that role since 1980, but it's not enough anymore. The Broncos do not and cannot represent the vibrant history of the game in Brisbane that dates as far back as 1909.

Brisbane's metropolitan area needs at least 3 teams to capitalise on the tribalism and networks that the game has established in greater Brisbane since 1909 or risk them going extinct. The last thing the game can afford is for the tribalism and networks that give our game an edge over other sports disintegrating into thin air, as it will open the door for fumbleball to enter and claim all those disaffected youths who no longer have a team to support.

Maybe the Raiders can relocate from small regional Canberra to big city Perth. If Perth needs a team to make the game national then give them the one that is wasted in a small regional city that has zero appeal to sponsors and broadcasters. That team is the Canberra Raiders. It offers no money-making derbies that draw big crowds and high TV ratings. Its stadium is a shithole and no one wants to move there other than a few soap dodgers from the north of England.

 

[Quicksilver]

Maybe one of the English teams can relocate to Perth?

 

[mongoose]

Putting new teams in Adelaide and Perth is an attack on the history and tradition of rugby league in Queensland. If there's one state that loves the game, but has experienced discrimination and under representation from 1908, it is Queensland. This is a wrong that needs to be righted before other sports, namely fumbleball, capitalise on the resentment that has built up among Queenslanders.

All us Queenslanders want is for our historical love of the game and unique traditions to be represented at NRL level. Origin has played that role since 1980, but it's not enough anymore. The Broncos do not and cannot represent the vibrant history of the game in Brisbane that dates as far back as 1909.

Brisbane's metropolitan area needs at least 3 teams to capitalise on the tribalism and networks that the game has established in greater Brisbane since 1909 or risk them going extinct. The last thing the game can afford is for the tribalism and networks that give our game an edge over other sports disintegrating into thin air, as it will open the door for fumbleball to enter and claim all those disaffected youths who no longer have a team to support.

Maybe the Raiders can relocate from small regional Canberra to big city Perth. If Perth needs a team to make the game national then give them the one that is wasted in a small regional city that has zero appeal to sponsors and broadcasters. That team is the Canberra Raiders. It offers no money making derbies that draw big crowds or TV ratings. Its stadium is a shithole and no one wants to move there other than a few soap dodgers from the north of England.

give it up

 

[greenBV4]

Putting new teams in Adelaide and Perth is an attack on the history and tradition of rugby league in Queensland. If there's one state that loves the game, but has experienced discrimination and under representation from 1908, it is Queensland. This is a wrong that needs to be righted before other sports, namely fumbleball, capitalise on the resentment that has built up among Queenslanders.

All us Queenslanders want is for our historical love of the game and unique traditions to be represented at NRL level. Origin has played that role since 1980, but it's not enough anymore. The Broncos do not and cannot represent the vibrant history of the game in Brisbane that dates as far back as 1909.

Brisbane's metropolitan area needs at least 3 teams to capitalise on the tribalism and networks that the game has established in greater Brisbane since 1909 or risk them going extinct. The last thing the game can afford is for the tribalism and networks that give our game an edge over other sports disintegrating into thin air, as it will open the door for fumbleball to enter and claim all those disaffected youths who no longer have a team to support.

Maybe the Raiders can relocate from small regional Canberra to big city Perth. If Perth needs a team to make the game national then give them the one that is wasted in a small regional city that has zero appeal to sponsors and broadcasters. That team is the Canberra Raiders. It offers no money making derbies that draw big crowds or TV ratings. Its stadium is a shithole and no one wants to move there other than a few soap dodgers from the north of England.

relocate canberra and watch the AFL shift more giants games there

Why would we get rid of one of the few things we have but the other code doesnt, a team in the nations capital, when we've got 8.5 teams running around in Sydney?

 

[Quicksilver]

relocate canberra and watch the AFL shift more giants games there

Why would we get rid of one of the few things we have but the other code doesnt, a team in the nations capital, when we've got 8.5 teams running around in Sydney?

Because we need to do exactly the same thing as the AFL to be considered successful by the mob here...

move Raiders to Perth
move the Warriors to Adelaide

maybe West Tigers will play half their games in the ACT

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

give it up

Don't be a hypocrite.

If AwFuL clubs generate higher revenue from sponsors because they have a footprint in every major mainland city, which is what the likes of you and The Great Dunce have been screeching, then little ol' Canberra is holding the other clubs back and the Raiders should be relocated to Adelaide or Perth. You would be shouting this from the hilltops if you truly believed the game needs teams in Adelaide and Perth.

relocate canberra and watch the AFL shift more giants games there

Why would we get rid of one of the few things we have but the other code doesnt, a team in the nations capital, when we've got 8.5 teams running around in Sydney?

Sydney is an important asset and needs its teams. It is the largest city in Australia, the birthplace of Australian RL and ground zero for fumbleball's war on RL.

Brisbane is just as important. It has faithfully played RL and held it as its main sport since 1909, leading to the death of RU in the 1920s. AwFuL is desperate to gain ground in south-east Queensland because it is the country's 3rd largest market.

No one gives a stuff about Canberra. The NBL, A-League, Big Bash, Sheffield Shield, Netball or AwFuL refuse to put a team in boring ol' Canberra. Tasmania is ahead of them in two of those leagues

 

[mongoose]

yawn.... this is boring, just going around in circles.

There is no reason to relocate the Raiders as far as I can see. Teams like Manly, Cronulla or Wests are more likely to go cap in hand to the NRL than the Raiders. No saying I want any of those clubs to fold and if the Raiders fall on hard times and need a handout then sure, maybe they should be relocated.

 

[greenBV4]

yawn.... this is boring, just going around in circles.

There is no reason to relocate the Raiders as far as I can see. Teams like Manly, Cronulla or Wests are more likely to go cap in hand to the NRL than the Raiders. No saying I want any of those clubs to fold and if the Raiders fall on hard times and need a handout then sure, maybe they should be relocated.

If the raiders ever get that undercover inner city stadium, and keep up decent performances, with the supposed financial strength they have I can see them becoming a fairly big and well placed club

They also have the whole riverina area to draw support from

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yawn.... this is boring, just going around in circles.

There is no reason to relocate the Raiders as far as I can see. Teams like Manly, Cronulla or Wests are more likely to go cap in hand to the NRL than the Raiders. No saying I want any of those clubs to fold and if the Raiders fall on hard times and need a handout then sure, maybe they should be relocated.

I bring up the Raiders' situation to play devil's advocate.

Sydney clubs are scrutinised by Queenslanders and Canberrans, so I as a Queenslander, think it's only fair to do the same with non-Sydney clubs. Cowboys and Broncos are safe as they have great infrastructure in place and generate good television ratings and crowds. The Cowboys vs Broncos rivalry is an asset to the game. Titans have struggled, but still generate decent ratings in Brisbane and are strategically important. My only problem with the Titans is their branding. I think they could develop a bigger fanbase in Brisbane by teaming up with the Fortitude Valley Diehards to become the Gold Coast Diehards. It would be in their best interest to develop a stronger base in Brisbane as it will make them more appealing to sponsors and broadcasters, which means more money for them and the game.

Warriors represent NZ and add money through the NZ broadcast deal, so they're vital to the game.

Storm have grown the game in Australia's 2nd largest city and provide good ratings for the GF and SOO.

That leaves Canberra as a weak link. It is a regional city, so it doesn't offer anything to the broadcasters. Strike 1. It has no money-making derbies that draw large crowds. Strike 2. It has a poor stadium and a small fanbase. Strike 3. I would say it is more susceptible to relocation than any of the Sydney clubs.

 

[mongoose]

That leaves Canberra as a weak link. It is a regional city, so it doesn't offer anything to the broadcasters. Strike 1. It has no money-making derbies that draw large crowds. Strike 2. It has a poor stadium and a small fanbase. Strike 3. I would say it is more susceptible to relocation than any of the Sydney clubs.

lol relocating the Raiders isn't part of anyones strategic plans, just like a 3rd and 4th Brisbane team isn't on anyone's (that matters) radar except yours.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

They boot the Raiders and I’ll give RL away. FFS. It’s not all about TV.

It’s identity, belonging, community, participation.

NRL has it right with regional teams - Canberra, Townsville, Gold Coast, Newcastle. Got it wrong with Illawarra, who should have their own dedicated team.

Adelaide and Perth are no brainers for that and more.

In fact, what they bring makes Sydney teams stronger. Regional teams should get extra on top of Sydney and Brisbane as they breed talent.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

lol relocating the Raiders isn't part of anyones strategic plans, just like a 3rd and 4th Brisbane team isn't on anyone's (that matters) radar except yours.

Adelaide and Perth aren't on anyone's radar. Just ask PVL.



Colin Smith spoke about Brisbane 3 as a priority. He has worked with the NRL on previous TV deals. He never mentioned Adelaide and Perth because, let's be honest, they offer nothing and anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It’s identity, belonging, community, participation.

Adelaide and Perth are no brainers for that and more.

Adelaide has virtually no RL identity, belonging, community or participation. Perth has some, but it's very small and probably unsustainable.

 

[The Great Dane]

It's amazing how totally incapable GROTD is of understanding any argument anybody puts to him, the strawmen he builds as a result are honestly quite interesting.

It'd also be pretty interesting to go through some of his posts just to spot all the logical fallacies as well.

 

[mongoose]

Adelaide and Perth aren't on anyone's radar. Just ask PVL.



Colin Smith spoke about Brisbane 3 as a priority. He has worked with the NRL on previous TV deals. He never mentioned Adelaide and Perth because, let's be honest, they offer nothing and anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy.

Perth expansion has been seriously talked about since before the Titans came into the comp and while Adelaide may not be looked at as a serious option in the short term the NRL has had a team their before.

I haven't heard anyone seriously discuss having more then 2 clubs in Brisbane. I reckon Brisbane's population would need to reach 4 million before they think about adding a 3rd. When is that projected to happen, 2040/2050? They have been a 1 team town for the best part of 30 years, the NRL is not going to add 2 or 3 more teams there in quick succession.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Perth expansion has been seriously talked about since before the Titans came into the comp and while Adelaide may not be looked at as a serious option in the short term the NRL has had a team their before.

I haven't heard anyone seriously discuss having more then 2 clubs in Brisbane. I reckon Brisbane's population would need to reach 4 million before they think about adding a 3rd. When is that projected to happen, 2040/2050? They have been a 1 team town for the best part of 30 years, the NRL is not going to add 2 or 3 more teams there in quick succession.

Colin Smith discussed Brisbane 2 and Brisbane 3. You've seen the article, so stop lying. Of all the expansion options he prioritised, none of them were Adelaide or Perth. He even said Perth would be a mistake and ruled it out altogether.

No one at ARLC has said Perth is on their radar as an expansion option. Name one person from the ARLC who has said there's genuine interest in plonking a team in Perth.

It's been over 20 years since Adelaide and Perh were in the national league. PVL said there will be no expansion into fumbleball states.

 

[Pippen94]

I hate this 1997 super league mentality that you simply put teams in afl cities & sport will flourish there & become national. Last night NRL did rating of 75k on main FTA channel in Melbourne. Club has existed for over 20 years - sport will never catch on there.
Meanwhile 1/2 of the rugby league market being qld, which in not too distance future will be 2nd biggest state, is being neglected to point were afl team is getting clean air & out rating NRL.
... & idiots talking about getting Adelaide team. The viewers & audience are in qld!!!