WAR!!!

[imported_Roopy4246]

Interesting news this morning that the people of Basra are fighting against Saddam's goons.
Apparently the Iraqi army were pushing civilians out in front of them when they attacked the British forces so the British wouldn't be able to fire back, and the civilians have now turned on them.
I admit that I was starting to worry that this war was not a just war and that we had been fed a load of propaganda to make us think this was something other than blood for oil, but this latest news has me believing again.
The Iraqi ruling cliche are fighting to the death, probably because they know they are as good as dead if the people they have been systematically brutalising for decades get their hands on them.
I am reminded of the fate of Mussilini after WW II. He tried to escape from Italy when it fell but was caught and beaten to death by his own people.

 

[imported_E_A__]

Joe, it's ok to be a Pilger groupie. If you really want to know more about Pilger's genius, go looking, it shouldn't be hard to find. Type "f**kwit" into any search engine.

Like I said before, be thankful he isn't a Kiwi. If he was, you'd want to shove him up a Sheep.

Roopy, it was always going to happen. Hopefully this time, Hussein will be hanging from an inverted L shaped timber structure in the not too far distant future, put there by his own people.

 

[imported_JoeD]

Look EA, like I said before i don't have anythingfor or against Pilger. You said yourself you didn't think he was a liar. You said get a second opinion on what he says. We did that. So instead of going on about what a wanker he is, do you have any comment on the claims that he has madethat havebeen backed up by another source?

 

[imported_E_A__]

I stopped reading that guys trash well before I became aware of the internet. Probably 15 years before. I thought I'd made that clear.

No one has to judge him based on my opinion, it's only my opinion after all.

I won't be trolling the net reading his stuff.

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

Apparently a big protest is planned again today in Sydney. This one will be mainly uni and school students, apparently the police and other authorities are quite concerned about it. The pamphlet that i saw contained something along the lines of "peaceful protests have not worked, so its time to get our message across using other methods"

Why were they given a permit if the protest was promoted in such a way?

Moffo

 

[Willow]

Sounds like some frustrated students there, Moffo. They're not the first and they won't be the last.

EA, I seem to recall that Pilger's name was raised on another war thread on LWOS early last year. It was much the same reaction with some people interested in hearing what he say while others vehemently opposed to his views.
I recall someone saying that if they saw Pilger walking on the street, they'd run him down.

Pilger's been around for ages offcourse. Bob Hawke called Pilger 'un-Australian' (a quaint term), after he exposed the Australian government machinations and inactionsregarding Indonesian activities in East Timor.

 

[legend]

Willow, why are these kids really protesting? Is it because they can get some free time off school or are they really concerned about the war? Any violence also clouds the message of peace wouldn't you think? Seems hypocritical to me that these people will come out and protest against war but are not against violence to spread the word.

I would hardly call it "frustrated".

BTW, are you condoning their actions by saying they won't be the last?

 

[imported_E_A__]

Willow, Pilger lost me because he doesn't bother with both sides of the story. He makes people irate because he won't cover the whole story, just the things that he can use to get stuck into Western Governments.

I'd love to hear his thoughts on Zimbabwe. I'm sure it'd be Canada's fault.

 

[Willow]

Legend, lol... you certainly have a way of twisting things around to create an argument.

"Willow, why are these kids really protesting? Is it because they can get some free time off school or are they really concerned about the war? "
That old chestnut...lol. Some of these 'kids' are Moffo's age. I'm have no view on whether the schoolies are trying to find free time or not because like you, I dont know all the detail.

Personally, I think its a healthy thing for young folk to question things and join in demonstrations although no one likes to see heads getting kicked in.

"Any violence also clouds the message of peace wouldn't you think? Seems hypocritical to me...."
Well..... you're getting a little ahead of yourself there. We dont even know the details of the upcoming protest. Moreover, whenever violence does happen, its not unusual for both police and demonstrators to point the finger at each other. The balanced view supports the notion that there is tension on both sides.

"are you condoning their actions by saying they won't be the last?"
LOL.. what in hell does that mean?. How does stating the obvious condone anything? Students have been protesting for generations and will continue to do so.... take my word for it.

In any case, I believe protesting is a fundamental right of any so-called free society. Whetherwe agree with the protestors or not is a matter for the individual.

 

[Cronulla_Mania]

Well, silly buggers has started, i spoke to a mate who has been around the city today and he was saying that he saw chairs being thrown and running clashes between the police and protestors. Doesn't look to flash, they just showed a snippet on channel 10

I to think that protesting is a healthy thing, its a pity that the wide perception is that protestors are annoyances. Not all of them are out to cause trouble, some go for genuine causes

Cheers,
Moffo

 

[legend]

Willow, I agree with some of what you said. I think people have the right to protest. I would never deny that but flyers were handed out promoting violence as a means of attention for this particular protest. It (the flyer)was shownon the news so I think it's fairly credible.

As for the Uni students, well they can protest as much as they like, it's their time and money. I was referring to the school students. I'm sure a lot of parents would rather see their kids in school than joining a potentially violent protest which in this case has been advertised as such. I know as a parent where I would want my kids to be.

Personally, I have nothing against protesters but I think most of them are just sheep. Just my opinion but last year when the traditional May Day anti globalisation protests were underway in Sydney I saw (a lot of)protesters using mobile phones. Sort of defeats the purpose when they don't even understand what the protest really means. Also, the use of marbles on the police horses should see people arrested for cruelty to animals, especially when they are using their personal stash.

"In any case, I believe protesting is a fundamental right of any so-called free society. Whetherwe agree with the protestors or not is a matter for the individual."


I beg to differ. I think they are protesting over something I don't agree with or start acting like idiots, I can ridicule or mock them as much as I want. It's my right as an individual.

 

[legend]

Well, silly buggers has started, i spoke to a mate who has been around the city today and he was saying that he saw chairs being thrown and running clashes between the police and protestors. Doesn't look to flash, they just showed a snippet on channel 10



Willow, hate to say I told you so but.................

Credibility just went out the window.

 

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[Cronulla_Mania]

14 arrested, dick adams said that they were of middle eastern appearance
Slashed wheels, cars damaged, phone boxes destroyed. Not a good look

Moffo

 

[Willow]

Sorry folks, I deleted my own post. Cant be bothered firing back dumb shit replies to dumb arse comments anymore.
Legend, sure... whatever you say. You contradict yourself and then question my credibility, thats fine.
If you think churning out old cliches is a way to gaining to credibilty, then who am I to argue?

 

[legend]

Willow, my apologies for misreading the last line of your previous post.

In any case, I believe protesting is a fundamental right of any so-called free society. Whetherwe agree with the protestors or not is a matter for the individual.

I misread that and after having re-read it I agree 100% with that statement.

I read it as Whether we agree with the prostestors is not a matter for the individual.

 

[legend]

If you get off your high horse for a minute I was talking about the credibility of the protestors not you although your last tantrum does you no favours.

BTW, where did I contradict myself?

 

[Willow]

High horse...lol. I might have to change my nick to that. I think your partner in crime, Craig Meltigger shot that one at me just two days ago. Try and be more original if you can.
The contradictions flow so freely that I cant keep up but you've already corrected the most recent one. Apology accepted for this one of many misunderstandings that happen over the forums.
As for the credibility thing... sorry for the confusion but you didnt make it clear that it was the protestorsyou were referring to. Once again I accept this as a misunderstanding.

 

[imported_midas]

Exactly what Dick Adams was predicting.These schoolies rallies get hijacked by the Socialist Alliance or other anarchists and incite them to violence.Kids are easily incited by rhetoric,by media exposure for the first time in their livesand the mob environment (weren,t we all at one stage ?) and then you,ve got trouble.
The risk of some kid (or kids) getting seriously hurt or finishing up on criminal charges which could seriously jeopardise their futures does not seem justified to me.
There has to be a better way.The ciy street environment is fraught with danger-I would think maybe a large park like Hyde park,the Domain or similar would be a better plan.

 

[Bomber]

On a lighter note, I see that Dubya has warned that Congress may have to find an extra $8 billion just so he can finish what he and his great mates Tony and John have started.

Does anyone have any idea how much money $8 billion is?

If you had a pile of eight billion $1 coins, and marked each one with a marking pen at the rate of one a minute, how long would it take for you to finish the lot?

I have the grand sum of 15,220 years, eight months, twelve days,ten hours and fifty-seven minutes.

Another way of looking at it:

16,000,000 Cowboys season tickets
1,616,161,616 copies of Big League
888,888,889 speeding fines in the state of Queensland (a topic dear to my heart)
$421.05 for every person in Australia
27,118,644 trips from Cairns to Brisbane on the Tilt Train