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imported_Kaon

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Just got off the phone to Dubya and he's agreed to hold off till the end of round 2. It should only last a couple of days so that way there will be no <span>interruption </span>to NRL round 3.:)
 
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SpaceMonkey

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The bombing's started... let's hope it quick and as few lives as possible are lost.
 

imported_JoeD

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Willow

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SpaceMonkey: "The bombing's started... let's hope it quick and as few lives as possible are lost."
In the last Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm 1990-91):
<u>Iraqi soldiers killed</u> -between 100,000- 250,000 depending on the information source.
<u>Iraqi civilians killed</u> - approximately 50,000
<u>US soldiers killed</u> - 363
(source: US registry)


“This call for a worldwide fellowship that lifts neighborly concerns beyond one’s tribes, race, class and nation is in reality a call for an all-embracing and “unconditional” love for all mankind. We can no longer afford to worship the God of hate or bow before the altar of “retaliation”. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate.
History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate.”
- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, 1967


 
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ozbash

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i must be stupid (shudup willow ! )
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New Zealand is committing more than $3 million in emergency humanitarian relief to address the human cost of war in Iraq.
Foreign Affairs Minister Phil Goff says the money will be distributed to a number of United Nations agencies and relief organisations active in Iraq.
He says the United Nations has warned that without immediate assistance from the international community, thousands of lives will be lost.
Among the organisations receiving aid are the World Food Programme, the Red Cross and the UN High Commission for Refugees.
 
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Isn't it disturbing that we can watch murder taking place on the other side of the world live from the confort of our homes?

maybe you'd prefer the murders to be done in secrecy like all the innocent iraqi civilians killed by saddam. maybe some civilians will be killed but at least the country will be liberated. isn't 30 years of misery enough? and so what if the americans are going in there for the wrong reasons, at least the iraqi people may have a chance to enjoy life once more when the americans leave. for them this is just a means to an end.

hopefully when the americans finish with saddam they will make a beeline to syria and liberate lebanon.


 

Willow

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realraul: "maybe some civilians will be killed but at least the country will be liberated"
The estimate is 50,000... lets not gloss over itby saying 'some' civilians.
By comparison, 'some' civilians were killed in the attack on the World Trade Centre.... this being the catalyst that sent the USA on this rampage of revenge.

If you honestly believe that this war will bring about the liberation of a nation then youre entitled to that view. My view is that you're kidding yourself.
 
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If you honestly believe that this war will bring about the liberation of a nation then youre entitled to that view. My view is that you're kidding yourself.

the gulf war was playtime for america. saddam was still their friend and they left him with more power in the region than actually weakening him (this would have been the trade off for him letting them have an arms expo in his country).

this time the americans are serious. saddam has outlived his use for them. they now have osama as the bad guy so they will now let the iraqis get on with their lives as they would pre saddam and in the process justify their defence budget.


 
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It's a TV war Bronco. Just like Vietnam and the Gulf War. You may not remember back to 91, but they had all there secret missions and secret landing zones, only to be greeted by television news crews at locations that were supposed to be classified military information.

Let's just hope it ends quickly.
 

Willow

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We all hope it ends quickly and equally I hope that the Iraqi people end with a better deal out of all this.

The problem is, the USA and the UK having a pretty ordinary record when it comes to installing democracy in countries that they have conquered.
Normally, we see a puppet government... a military dictatorship.

This legacy of oppressionhas been commonplace over the last 20 years and its not what the Allies fought for in WWII.


Assuming that the USA actually 'win' this war and if the UN are allowed to install a proper election process (ienot turning Iraq into a Turkish 'protectorate')PLUS, we have an immediate lifting of trade sanctions with the Iraqi people benefitting from the wealth... then I might just change my mind.

But I think its fair to say that apart from a bit of window dressing, the Iraqi peoplewill beup shit creek now... more than ever. Things will get a lot worse before they get better.
 
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SpaceMonkey

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hopefully when the americans finish with saddam they will make a beeline to syria and liberate lebanon.

Yank soldiers in Bankstown? No thanks.
Seriously though, liberate Lebanon? Who from? Lebanon was a free country with a reasonably stable government last time I checked. And ths Syrians are hardly much of a threat to anybody (Israel possibly excepted) either.

 

imported_Kaon

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That lying SOB. :mad:

Forget the Iraqi's, now my entire weekly schedule is out of whack.
 
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legend

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Spacemonkey, my wife, who is Lebanese tends to disagree with your statment about Syria and I do too. Syria are still very much in the picturein Lebanon and are actively supporting several terrorist organisations, including Hezbollah. Syria was responsible for much of the devestation in Lebanon and they still have an occupying force in Lebanon so I don't know where you got your facts from about Lebanon but I can assure you Syria are a dangerous country and one who actively support terrorists.
 
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Johnsy

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JohnW Howard'slegal loophole for waris a technicality in the form of 3 previous resolutions. This little cretin has spoken for all australians on the international political stage without listening to australians. 70% are opposed to a war with iraq. So how does he justify it, by attempting to link this war with terrorism. There has never been a proven link between iraq and terrorism (Although he does pay $25 K US to Palestine suicide bombers families, still no link to 9/11 or Bali as John W Howards said in his speech on tv tonight). I am sure this is exactly what the terrorist groups have been waiting for, an excuse to go all out at the western coalition(USA,AUS and UK).

I just hope all voters memories last a bit longer than a few months, afterall it happened last election. As Peter said
"Short memory must have a ...Shooooort memory"

Johnsy

 

imported_justme

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I just hope all voters memories last a bit longer than a few months
<span>People vote with their wallets not their conscience
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legend

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Bronco, this war is legal because the earlier resolutions that were imposed by the U.N were merely suspended and if Saddam failed to comply with these resolutions to disarm, they could be re-activated at any time which is exactly what the U.S, U.K and Australia have done.

Willow, you say America and Britain left countries in worse shape after they conquered them, well what about Japan and Germany? Both countries are economic powerhouses along with France and they were the three countries who took the brunt of WWII, much of it their own fault. How many of these countries currently have a military dictatorship or puppet ruler? Current GDP figures show France, Germany and Japan as some of the wealthiest countries in the developed world.

I also think Vietnam has prospered in the last twenty years and this is directly related to the war.

As it stands, the people of Iraq are already up shit creek without the intervention of the U.S.

Did anyone see the Denton program on the ABC the other night? There was a lady who paid $10,000 USD to flee Iraq with her two sonsafter the govt took her husband, poisoned him and sent him home to die. He returned home and could not speak, within three hours he was completely paralysed and by the next morning he was dead. We also have the attack on the Kurds in the North and South with biologial and chemical weapons which killed many innocent people. So how much longer must this be allowed to continue?

The thing that really amazes me is everyone is quick to condemn the U.S, U.K and Australia but I have hardly heard a peep about Saddam Hussein and his muderous campaign.

So i'd like to know exactly what the world was supposed to do about this man? Are we to sit back and wait and let hundreds of thousands more innocents die while the the circus that is currently the U.N debateon how best to appease every country with a self serving interest. And with Husseins two sons likely to replace him, a dictatorship would be in place for at least the next 50 years.

I'm sure most of you will come back with the U.N should have been allowed more time but France was going to veto any move for military action regardless of the weapons inspectors findings. And the reason for this is they are selling arms on the black market to Iraq and are also receiving oil illegally so there nobility is nothing but a lot of sanctimonious BS.

Also, how could the U.N control anything when history has shown they are incapable of stopping regimes like Hussein. Does anyone remember the ethinc cleansing in Kosovo? I'm sure we all remember that one, you knwo when Howard took the refugees in? Well, the U.N sat that one out because Russia vetoed a move to use force. This was also the case in Rwanda in 1994. Bascially the U.N are powerless to overcome beauracracy due to all permanent security council members putting their own interests before that of humanity. So I say, why bother at all? It's pointless and a waste of time.

Now to that flea Simon Crean. His cronies must be on the phone ringing the Australian public because he has backflipped that many times i'm starting to get dizzy watching him. He has no credibility and this is proven by his current stance. Australia at the moment are still involved in enforcing sanctions on Iraq and that was brought about by the previous Labor government. Can anyone seriously say Saddam if left alone would not develop WMD and all these years of political gesturing have amounted to what?

Now to that slimeball Bob Brown. He has learnt pretty quick from Crean because he previously said for Australia to do nothing about Saddam Hussein was the worst course of action for the governemtn to take. So which is itBob?

So i'd like to hear an alternative rational solution on how to disarm Iraq without force? Inspections have failed on every occasion.

Both Brown and Crean have spoken about the killing of innocents in Iraqbut if France had agreed to the current resolution, the end result would still be the same yet Crean and Brown think that war is ok under those circumstances. I thought they were worried about the killing of innocents? Maybe they are but just not enough to let the issue cloud their personal ambitions and are that desperate for the scraps from the Australian electorate they will do anything to get their mugs on the tv.
 

imported_justme

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but just not enough to let the issue cloud their personal ambitions and are that desperate for the scraps from the Australian electorate they will do anything to get their mugs on the tv.
Hmm, I just said a very similar thing about your little mate Johnny, cept in his case of course he has no regard for the Australian electorate, his desperation is tageted towardsscraps of recognition fromcowboy George W. If Johnny is so concerned about the welfare of repressed citizens why isn't he on his righteous horse about Zimbabwe?
 

Willow

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Legend: "Willow, you say America and Britain left countries in worse shape after they conquered them, well what about Japan and Germany?"

I said over the last 20 years... its easily read.
I also said that in WWII the Allies fought against this sort of untethered expansion.
I think a little reading on the recent history of Nicaragua will do you the world of good.

"I also think Vietnam has prospered in the last twenty years and this is directly related to the war."
I hope you're not being serious.
The US failed in their quest to conquer Vietnam. Moreover, they leveled that country and their immediate neighbours. Are you aware of the order given by Nixon the carpet bomb Cambodia? Are you aware that the region has been in a state of crisis ever since?
Fair dinkum... :(
 

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