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Week 1 Finals: Parra v Penrith GAME DAY THREAD @ Bluebet Stadium 9/9/22

lucablight

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Who should we have been relying on? At least Arthur's put on a line break with a pass. One of only two we made all night. The fact is Penrith were fresh off a week's rest and had plenty of defensive energy. At 13-8 we were unlikely to regain the lead and especially with Moses gone. If Cartwright had come on instead you'd be blaming him that we didn't find another try.

I thought it was possible but unlikely. Our patience had already gone out the window.
He was poor but like Arthur's said, if we had better kick pressure then Blake wouldn't have been under so much pressure himself. It's a team game.

But Penrith is a dark, shitty ground and they're the only team used to playing there.
Should have relied on Dylan Brown to guide the team in Moses’ absence.
 

Poupou Escobar

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That’s a very specific set of circumstances you’re relying on your back up to cover, wouldn’t you say?
That's the circumstance we can't cover from elsewhere in the squad. There's other merkins we can throw the ball to when we're chasing points. The stay composed and build pressure option isn't going to come from moving Cartwright into the halves.
 

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If we had Nathan Brown on the bench then the forwards might not have been so fatigued. If Drown goes to halfback (as he should since he’s a regular starter) then there’s no need for Jake Arthur.
Kicking is so important to our game that Drown can't handle it all on his own. Plus our exit sets are structured to kick from the right hand side. Moving Drown over there removes him from the left side where he has a great partnership with Lane and Gutherson.
 

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But but but but... 9 years is more than enough for a coach to build the squad they want - I think that's similar to one your past mantras? 🤣
My past mantra has always been that the salary cap stops any coach being able to get the exact team they want. Without 'cap laundering' by spending obscene amounts on junior recruitment you can't beat the salary cap. There's no nine years of building going on. You spend the cap each year and each year you have players chasing the money to other clubs. There's a constant roster churn.
 

lucablight

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Kicking is so important to our game that Drown can't handle it all on his own. Plus our exit sets are structured to kick from the right hand side. Moving Drown over there removes him from the left side where he has a great partnership with Lane and Gutherson.
I’m sure he’d be fine. I think having him at halfback with an extra forward (in place of Jake) would be more beneficial to the team than having to accommodate a backup half whose kicking isn’t up to first grade standard at this point in his career.
 

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He hasn't been on the field for long enough this season in situations where it matters for anyone to make a qualified statement on his defence.
In limited minutes his tackles per minute are always poor. If he was chasing the collision it would show in his stats.
 

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So you’re content with JA’s defence tonight in his limited game time?
He was beaten for speed once, when we were on the back foot and he came in to get in front of Luai. Otherwise he didn't see a lot of traffic. Penrith were content to roll through our middle as we were out of gas by the time Arthur came on.
 
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lucablight

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He was beaten for speed once, when we were on the back foot and he came in to get in front of Kikau. Otherwise he didn't see a lot of traffic. Penrith were content to roll through our middle as we were out of gas by the time Arthur came on.
You’d expect that when you complete 6/16 in the second half.
 

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Because it might not benefit the team right now.
Maybe not but it's not hurting either. It's one reserve grader or another in those two spots. If we only need six minutes from Makatoa I don't see how another forward will help. Or do you think he only played six minutes because that's all he's capable of?

MerkinMinutes
Matterson68
Paulo59 (in three stints, so he is getting plenty of rest)
Campbell-Gillard49
Niukore45
Kaufusi35
Makatoa6

Who exactly was so overworked that more minutes from a reserve grader would've helped us? Yeo played 80 for Penrith and JFH played 54; more than most of our guys.

Paulo's second stint is actually either side of the halftime break so he gets three rest periods (including halftime) breaking up four blocks of play.
 

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I think BA may have played the same plan from last week.

When we played the Roosters in Round 15 they had good line speed, but our halves took the ball from Reed and then gave it to the forward taking the hit up which nullified the speed as the ball was shifted out.
The difference is the Roosters have two small halves, so that's where you want to focus. Penrith don't really have anyone to target so you have to try and wear down their middle with repeat efforts. Like Arthur said, we blinked first, but Blake did have a horror night against the kick. That's not something that happens every week.
 

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No there weren’t. Makatoa only got on the field during garbage time for 6 minutes when the game was already over. Coupling that with Jake Arthur meant that we only played with 2 forwards for basically the entire game. Do you think that’s helpful when fatigue starts setting in?
Yes because I've just shown how two bench forwards are enough to cover the entire middle rotation. The currency there is interchanges, not the number of players to choose from. How much f**ken rest do you think these merkins need? Only two of our middles played over 50 minutes; Matterson who played fewer minutes than Yeo, and Paulo who gets three rest periods breaking up his 59 minutes.

Assuming we bring in another reserve grader (or unfit Nathan Brown) whose minutes does he take?
 
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lucablight

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Maybe not but it's not hurting either. It's one reserve grader or another in those two spots. If we only need six minutes from Makatoa I don't see how another forward will help. Or do you think he only played six minutes because that's all he's capable of?

MerkinMinutes
Matterson68
Paulo59 (in three stints, so he is getting plenty of rest)
Campbell-Gillard49
Niukore45
Kaufusi35
Makatoa6

Who exactly was so overworked that more minutes from a reserve grader would've helped us? Yeo played 80 for Penrith and JFH played 54; more than most of our guys.

Paulo's second stint is actually either side of the halftime break so he gets three rest periods (including halftime) breaking up four blocks of play.
Why no mention of Lane 69 min and Papali’i 80 min? They were both buggered. Papali’i played middle as well. Penrith can also afford to play more players for 80 minutes because they aren’t as reliant on their forwards for yardage gain like we are.
 

lucablight

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Yes because I've just shown how two bench forwards are enough to cover the entire middle rotation. The currency there is interchanges, no the number of players to choose from. How much f**ken rest do you think these merkins need? Only two of our middle played over 50 minutes; Matterson who played fewer minutes than Yeo, and Paulo who gets three rest periods breaking up his 59 minutes.

Assuming we bring in another reserve grader (or unfit Nathan Brown) whose minutes does he take?
See my above post. Papali’i and/or Lane.
 

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