Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[Pippen94]

thats not the argument, its is it more valuable than other options. going on brisbane2 the answer is probably not.

Broadcasters want expansion which makes them less money sure. That's what ur arguing

 

[Perth Red]

Broadcasters want expansion which makes them less money sure. That's what ur arguing

What broadcasters want, and what they are willing to pay for are clearly two differnet things based on the Dolphins admission!

The reality is the value of the next tv deal will be realised based on

Primary
Competition for the rights (the big one)
Content of 9th game and NRLW growth

after that the secondary value points are
Location (metro v regional v nz)
New market v existing market consolidation
Opening up the new time slot for ninth game
cost of production

No doubt Fox would like another brisbane team, Id suggest their market reach in Brisbane is much lower than Sydney due to Broncos being on FTA so much and getting more teams on ptv than fta will help that.

FTA have show they dont really value it in $'s

So making a fair assumption that TV value isn't going to be significantly driven by location of club 18 the question then becomes whats the most strategic for the NRL, what does the game want to see it being into the future?

Continued perception of a primarily two state competition, further reinforced by adding another qlnd team, or a growing game that is reaching new audiences? Time will tell the answer on that one

 

[Perth Red]

Everything u write is distorted or just plain wrong. For yrs u said there were 40k league players in Perth. I'd need to look up figures myself but I'm not.
Only reason expansion happened is because broadcasters wanted it & it's no coincidence it was Brisbane. Damn, for years you've been saying news picked redcliffe. Guess what?! Fox & nine want Brisbane 3 too..

Literally NRL and ch9 have confirmed they are paying EXACTLY the same cash ($115mill a year) in 2023-2028 as they did 2017-2022. ie Dolphins admission was worth nothing to them.

Ch9 PAID NOTHING for the Dolphins admission. I dont know how much clearer I can make it for you or how much more proof you need that FTA didn't value Brisbane2 as highly as you like to think.

NRL extends Nine FTA broadcast pact in ‘AUS$575m’ deal - SportsPro

Australian commercial broadcaster Nine's rights package includes the NRL Grand Final and State of Origin matches.

www.sportspromedia.com

 

[Wb1234]

thats not the argument, its is it more valuable than other options. going on brisbane2 the answer is probably not.

Yeh let’s ignore what they said and listen to the voices in your head

the nrl could add two more teams to Queensland and they would be worth more to tv than Perth or Adelaide

 

[macca_saint]

Literally NRL and ch9 have confirmed they are paying EXACTLY the same cash ($115mill a year) in 2023-2028 as they did 2017-2022. ie Dolphins admission was worth nothing to them.

Ch9 PAID NOTHING for the Dolphins admission. I dont know how much clearer I can make it for you or how much more proof you need that FTA didn't value Brisbane2 as highly as you like to think.

NRL extends Nine FTA broadcast pact in ‘AUS$575m’ deal - SportsPro

Australian commercial broadcaster Nine's rights package includes the NRL Grand Final and State of Origin matches.

www.sportspromedia.com

What makes you think CH9 will pay up if the new team is Perth then?

 

[taipan]

I’m not talking about now I’m talking about in 98

lol ahead of Perth crushers Gold Coast south’s dragons manly Balmain central coast bears ?

no chance

their finances have been terrible until five years ago they almost went broke again before that

LOL All ARL aligned clubs ATT and they did what they knew was in their best interests .Certainly ahead of Perth in 1998.If the Sharks has been kicked out you think the juniors would hang around, try North Sydney, and the fans try South Sydney.
Perth showed so much loyalty just being introduced to the ARL comp in 95 ,they went to SL.Their fans dropped off
to the 6k mark.I know they paid for travel etc, but with all these millionaires to assist that should not be a problem.
Gold Coast have a huge population, their crowds then and now IMO should be far bigger considering they have a decent stadium.That being said I fully supported their entry .
Souths should never have been kicked out.
In fact in 1998 NO ONE should have been kicked out from the original comp.I'm happy with 2 divisions .

I've already spelt out the dire financials at times of the club.

The club went to SL for two reasons:
1) The perceived favouritism some other clubs were getting and many of us know which ones.
2) They had deep financial issues and SL was the money pot.
Both SL and the ARL when deciding to rationalise made their decisions either out of loyalty, potential asset wise ,sponsorship wise, the support of the area itself and the junior numbers in growing areas.The Crushers were ditched by the Murdoch because it meant competition with their Broncos.

The merged teams was like throwing darts at a geography board, thoughtless. Having local games 50/50 is a miss mash.

Could have, would have in 1998 means zilch. If the Sharks had been flicked ,Dragons crowds at Jubilee would not have increased , their juniors would end up being shadow of their former selves.And I sure as hell would not be on LU arguing the point,because I'm a tribe member. and I am not the only one with those views.
And bear in mind Union FWIW went professional, the Sydney fumblers are gaining crowds due to SL. The ideal time in 1998 to rationalise, you gotta be joking.

 

[Wb1234]

LOL All ARL aligned clubs ATT and they did what they knew was in their best interests .Certainly ahead of Perth in 1998.If the Sharks has been kicked out you think the juniors would hang around, try North Sydney, and the fans try South Sydney.
Perth showed so much loyalty just being introduced to the ARL comp in 95 ,they went to SL.Their fans dropped off
to the 6k mark.I know they paid for travel etc, but with all these millionaires to assist that should not be a problem.
Gold Coast have a huge population, their crowds then and now IMO should be far bigger considering they have a decent stadium.That being said I fully supported their entry .
Souths should never have been kicked out.
In fact in 1998 NO ONE should have been kicked out from the original comp.I'm happy with 2 divisions .

I've already spelt out the dire financials at times of the club.

The club went to SL for two reasons:
1) The perceived favouritism some other clubs were getting and many of us know which ones.
2) They had deep financial issues and SL was the money pot.
Both SL and the ARL when deciding to rationalise made their decisions either out of loyalty, potential asset wise ,sponsorship wise, the support of the area itself and the junior numbers in growing areas.The Crushers were ditched by the Murdoch because it meant competition with their Broncos.

The merged teams was like throwing darts at a geography board, thoughtless. Having local games 50/50 is a miss mash.

Could have, would have in 1998 means zilch. If the Sharks had been flicked ,Dragons crowds at Jubilee would not have increased , their juniors would end up being shadow of their former selves.And I sure as hell would not be on LU arguing the point,because I'm a tribe member. and I am not the only one with those views.
And bear in mind Union FWIW went professional, the Sydney fumblers are gaining crowds due to SL. The ideal time in 1998 to rationalise, you gotta be joking.

Saints stand alone it was their juniors before anyway

If Balmain saints or manly had been selfish like Cronulla they wouldn’t have been kicked out or merged

the fact Cronulla have been broke for the best part of 30 years post super league shows the super league rankings were nonsense

anyway that’s how it goes cronulla got their spot and they won’t be losing it

 

[Perth Red]

What makes you think CH9 will pay up if the new team is Perth then?

I dont, but if they pay nothing then it isnt any worse than Brisbane2 acheived!
So then the question becomes whats best for the future of the game, rather than whats best for tv.
At the moment the argument of some on here is that Brisbane3 should get the license because it is the most valuable to tv, I'm merely pointing out that it wasnt the case for Brisbane2 so why expect it to be different this time? And if it isnt then dont let that be your main driver for who you think is best for RL as club 18.

 

[taipan]

It was a safe choice and the choice of News Ltd. I dont see anything that doesn't say Firehawks wouldn't have been just as good a choice, but with the advantage that we wouldnt now see us in a situation where we are already talking about the need for a license to be used for Brisbane3.

Personally Id have chosen Firehawks FT out of Suncorp with a target region of all South of river. Then told Redcliffe (who have the resources to be an NRL club) that they'll be in when Redcliffe stadium is NRl standard. That's how I'd have done it, but what do I know.

You aren't suggesting a risky choice was a better proposition surely ? On the news the other night they have Moreton Bay as a city now and expecting 700k by 2041.The club's asset base and cash would leave many Sydney clubs for dead.
I thought the idea was to sell a'product" to people who actually wanted it in large numbers.I understood and I may be wrong but Fox pumped up extra brass for having the Dolphins on board
I have no firm views on a 3rd Brisbane team ,but I'm more than happy for Perth to roll up, if they have the long term financials, have no debt, can improve their TV ratings .
I think Firehawks name is something out of a comic strip.Even bull ants ,wasps or rapiers sound better.

 

[Perth Red]

You aren't suggesting a risky choice was a better proposition surely ? On the news the other night they have Moreton Bay as a city now and expecting 700k by 2041.The club's asset base and cash would leave many Sydney clubs for dead.
I thought the idea was to sell a'product" to people who actually wanted it in large numbers.I understood and I may be wrong but Fox pumped up extra brass for having the Dolphins on board
I have no firm views on a 3rd Brisbane team ,but I'm more than happy for Perth to roll up, if they have the long term financials, have no debt, can improve their TV ratings .
I think Firehawks name is something out of a comic strip.Even bull ants ,wasps or rapiers sound better.

Firehawks, personal opinion on name aside, werent a risky choice. They pretty much match dolphins for development pathways, asset base and revenue from pokies.
Arguably playing Ft out of suncorp not 60% out of suncorp was a better option. Arguably having a club focused on the areas AFL is targeting is a better option. Arguably splitting the city North and South with Broncos North and Firehawks South would have seen us not clamouring for Brisbane3 already.

But hey ho we've got what we've got and fair play to dolphins they are making a good fist of year 1.

 

[xe_kilroy]

Brisbane/QLD should see more expansion for me because the game predicates itself on the greatest rivalry, NSW vs QLD, state of origin. Should therefore be more teams to level the ledger.

 

[Colk]

Brisbane/QLD should see more expansion for me because the game predicates itself on the greatest rivalry, NSW vs QLD, state of origin. Should therefore be more teams to level the ledger.

How many teams do you need/want though? We have to realise that there is only a limited amount of teams that you can realistically have

 

[taipan]

Saints stand alone it was their juniors before anyway

If Balmain saints or manly had been selfish like Cronulla they wouldn’t have been kicked out or merged

the fact Cronulla have been broke for the best part of 30 years post super league shows the super league rankings were nonsense

anyway that’s how it goes cronulla got their spot and they won’t be losing it

A lot of their players were in the Shire .The Sharks took the initiative to go it alone at the time Penrith did in 1967,
Saints relied then and they had huge poker machine income from their Leagues Club "the Taj Mahal".
A new demographic came in, in numbers from countries that have little interest in RL, that has affected their crowds.Years ago you could go to Jubilee and it would be packed out.

Every club during the SL war looked after their own interests.The Dragons then had Leagues club monies,
Manly had Arko (say no ,more),Balmain leagues club was hardly flourishing, and bear in mind Packer and the ARL provided the financials to ensure they stayed loyal.
If you think they would have stayed loyal without that backing?

Anycase if the Dragons had gone to SL, the Sharks would have no choice but to stay with the ARL and then be flicked.They made the right decision.And Sharks was not first choice by SL.If they were actually broke for most of 30 years, they would not exist today.

What you left out much to the point, they "ain't " broke now ,they have assets ,money in the bank and debt free.
The SL rankings of course were guesstimates,then the Warriors got into financial difficulty, the Cowboys, the Titans, Manly, Balmain, even Newcastle, and Souths had financial issues some once others more so.No one could have predicted what would unfold.

 

[taipan]

Firehawks, personal opinion on name aside, werent a risky choice. They pretty much match dolphins for development pathways, asset base and revenue from pokies.
Arguably playing Ft out of suncorp not 60% out of suncorp was a better option. Arguably having a club focused on the areas AFL is targeting is a better option. Arguably splitting the city North and South with Broncos North and Firehawks South would have seen us not clamouring for Brisbane3 already.

But hey ho we've got what we've got and fair play to dolphins they are making a good fist of year 1.

Wait a minute I'm pretty sure in one of your posts, you lampooned a poster and the NRL for using the put a team into such and such an area to fend off the AFL as being poor argument.

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane/QLD should see more expansion for me because the game predicates itself on the greatest rivalry, NSW vs QLD, state of origin. Should therefore be more teams to level the ledger.

Ding ding, we have a winner. For why RL is still confined to a handful of places in the world.

 

[Perth Red]

Wait a minute I'm pretty sure in one of your posts, you lampooned a poster and the NRL for using the put a team into such and such an area to fend off the AFL as being poor argument.

Not my opinion, I think thats a dumb reason to use up a license. But it seems others think differently, and again in the bid lauch was mentioned by richardson numerous times. You cant argue that Firehawks in the South corridor would have done that more effectively than a Redcliffe team.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

again not the argument. the point is despite everyone believing its more valuable brisbane2 proved it wasnt, vlandys sht negotiating aside.

Made the game more valuable. Maybe not in an immediate fiscal sense, that will come, but the addition of the dolphins is the best thing to happen to the game since the reintroduction of souths.

But as a bitter afl fan living 4000kms away I can understand you can't see that.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Not my opinion, I think thats a dumb reason to use up a license. But it seems others think differently, and again in the bid lauch was mentioned by richardson numerous times. You cant argue that Firehawks in the South corridor would have done that more effectively than a Redcliffe team.

Yes you can argue that because it didn't happen. Keep sticking pins in your map pinhead.

 

[Pippen94]

Literally NRL and ch9 have confirmed they are paying EXACTLY the same cash ($115mill a year) in 2023-2028 as they did 2017-2022. ie Dolphins admission was worth nothing to them.

Ch9 PAID NOTHING for the Dolphins admission. I dont know how much clearer I can make it for you or how much more proof you need that FTA didn't value Brisbane2 as highly as you like to think.

NRL extends Nine FTA broadcast pact in ‘AUS$575m’ deal - SportsPro

Australian commercial broadcaster Nine's rights package includes the NRL Grand Final and State of Origin matches.

www.sportspromedia.com

Everybody knows TV got discount from V'Landys coz they were crying poor. To say Brisbane is of no value as result is disingenuous but consistent with ur account.
Ultimately, broadcasters decide what teams they want & last two teams have been qld.

 

[Pippen94]

Ding ding, we have a winner. For why RL is still confined to a handful of places in the world.

Because Perth team will fall over without twiggy like character keeping them alive