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Vic Mackey

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Whilst being 2-7 after 9 round is highly dissapointing no matter which way you look at it, I honestly don't think we're anywhere near as bad as the Ladder is telling us. At the start of the year we were the highest tipped side for the wooden spoon, whilst most in here had us around 14th. Currently we're coming 13th which is where we finished last year, however to me we're light years ahead of where we were in 2021.

The reasons I feel this are:

* Commitment: it feels pathetic saying this as this should be a minimum requirement for a professional sportsman, however this hasnt been the case for the side over the years. Apart from the Knights game and parts of the Sharks game we've been in the contest on every occassion. Against Manly we had every reason to drop our heads. 18-0, a man in the bin getting absolutly fisted by the ref, 3 dissallowed tries yet we fought back and were within touching distance the rest of the game. Make no mistake last year we lose that 60-0.

* Defence: Our defence has improved both in structure and contact. Points conceeded per game have dropped down by 8 points this year. last year we had the second worst defence in the, year before that we were 12th. Before last week we were 8th however have now slipped to 10th. Yet on multiple occassions this year we have repelled teams having 2 and 3 sets on our tryline, this never happened previously. There is still room for improvement however we are heading in the right direction.

* Injuries: I'd be surprised if another side has had a worse injury run then us this year. Our 3 best players from last year Doeuihi, Stefano and Laurie have a total of 10 games between them of 27 possible. 2 of those 10 Lauire and Stef were injured before halftime and didnt come back. We've also had the following miss: Talau & Blore (season), Hastings (3), Kepeoa (7), Roberts (4-still injured), Maulmalo (3), Tuilagi (2), Leilua & Nofa (1). We've had games where 3 of the 4 first choice spine are missing and on occassions 7-9 of our full strength 17 out. To put into perspective Sharks, Dragons and Eels havent had a spine player miss a game yet. Teams like Penrith, Easts, NZ, Dogs have had basically no injury worries.

* Off Seaon Buys now look marquee: 2022 was always a write off, however 2023 is looking very promising. Korisau and Papalli were seen as good signings when we got them however now look like genuine Marquee buys. Friday night was probably the game of the year and to me Api and IPapz were the best 2 players on the park. Api had 2 try assisst nad 58 tackles. Paps made 187m, 57PCM (most in the game), a line break and 48 tackles. Having watched him closely this year Korisau is so critical to penrith on both sides of the ball. He is very smart in knowing when to run or pass, in defence he leads Penriths line speed who have the best in the game. Papalli has gone to another level after winning the Second Rower of the year. He is easily a Top 5 Forward in the game and you could make a solid argument that he is the currently the best forward in the world. If these two were on the market now they would command much more then whatever we paid for them.

* Improvement in Players: the majorty of our squad are playing better then they did last year. Guys like Musgrove, Ofahenguae, Simpkin and Nofoaluma look much better. Hastings and Toa have been great buys. Hastings is already a very good quality NRL 7 and Toa is a tackle break machine who has been fantastic in his games and wing and centre (aint a fullback). There are still a few weak spots that need addressing however the team for 2023 looks about 80% there.

* Bad Luck - this feels like a massive cop out and in some ways it is, but we have just had no luck at all this year. From Luc being denied a fair try against the warriors (which we lost by 4), the clock being incorrectly stopped for a penalty goal V the Titans (it should run for 80 seconds before it stops, the GC scored with 67 second left on the clock to win the game) to regularly losing two players a game to injury it just hasn’t been our year so far. This has to turn eventually.

Personally I think we're a much better side then the 3 who are imediently above us on the ladder. If we can somehow resrict the injuries the next 2-3 weeks then we should have the whole squad bar Talau, Blore and Roberts to pick from after the Round 13 bye. With what we've seen from the team I'd expect us to win more then half the remaining games. It won;t get us to the finals but it will sling shot intot he off season for a good assault on 23.

Next year will be a huge transition year for the comp. We're already seeing it with Souths and Easts coming right back to the field. Next year Storm, Eels and Penrith are losing key players and wont be able to replace them from the market. The Dolphins coming in will spead the talent even thinner, sides like us who have been waiting will have a chance to shoot up the ladder. I dont think we're that far off and even though 2022 is a write off as far as finals go I think there are heap of positives we can get from the rest of the year.
 
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Shredder

Juniors
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None of us had us as a hope of making the 8 this year.

I think we are going better than expected as well.

Wat Id like to see now is some consistency.
 

Tigerm

Coach
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11,103
Whilst being 2-7 after 9 round is highly dissapointing no matter which way you look at it, I honestly don't think we're anywhere near as bad as the Ladder is telling us. At the start of the year we were the highest tipped side for the wooden spoon, whilst most in here had us around 14th. Currently we're coming 13th which is where we finished last year, however to me we're light years ahead of where we were in 2021.

The reasons I feel this are:

* Commitment: it feels pathetic saying this as this should be a minimum requirement for a professional sportsman, however this hasnt been the case for the side over the years. Apart from the Knights game and parts of the Sharks game we've been in the contest on every occassion. Against Manly we had every reason to drop our heads. 18-0, a man in the bin getting absolutly fisted by the ref, 3 dissallowed tries yet we fought back and were within touching distance the rest of the game. Make no mistake last year we lose that 60-0.

* Defence: Our defence has improved both in structure and contact. Points conceeded per game have dropped down by 8 points this year. last year we had the second worst defence in the, year before that we were 12th. Before last week we were 8th however have now slipped to 10th. Yet on multiple occassions this year we have repelled teams having 2 and 3 sets on our tryline, this never happened previously. There is still room for improvement however we are heading in the right direction.

* Injuries: I'd be surprised if another side has had a worse injury run then us this year. Our 3 best players from last year Doeuihi, Stefano and Laurie have a total of 10 games between them of 27 possible. 2 of those 10 Lauire and Stef were injured before halftime and didnt come back. We've also had the following miss: Talau & Blore (season), Hastings (3), Kepeoa (7), Roberts (4-still injured), Maulmalo (3), Tuilagi (2), Leilua & Nofa (1). We've had games where 3 of the 4 first choice spine are missing and on occassions 7-9 of our full strength 17 out. To put into perspective Sharks, Dragons and Eels havent had a spine player miss a game yet. Teams like Penrith, Easts, NZ, Dogs have had basically no injury worries.

* Off Seaon Buys now look marquee: 2022 was always a write off, however 2023 is looking very promising. Korisau and Papalli were seen as good signings when we got them however now look like genuine Marquee buys. Friday night was probably the game of the year and to me Api and IPapz were the best 2 players on the park. Api had 2 try assisst nad 58 tackles. Paps made 187m, 57PCM (most in the game), a line break and 48 tackles. Having watched him closely this year Korisau is so critical to penrith on both sides of the ball. He is very smart in knowing when to run or pass, in defence he leads Penriths line speed who have the best in the game. Papalli has gone to another level after winning the Second Rower of the year. He is easily a Top 5 Forward in the game and you could make a solid argument that he is the currently the best forward in the world. If these two were on the market now they would command much more then whatever we paid for them.

* Improvement in Players: the majorty of our squad are playing better then they did last year. Guys like Musgrove, Ofahenguae, Simpkin and Nofoaluma look much better. Hastings and Toa have been great buys. Hastings is already a very good quality NRL 7 and Toa is a tackle break machine who has been fantastic in his games and wing and centre (aint a fullback). There are still a few weak spots that need addressing however the team for 2023 looks about 80% there.

Personally I think we're a much better side then the 3 who are imediently above us on the ladder. If we can somehow resrict the injuries the next 2-3 weeks then we should have the whole squad bar Talau, Blore and Roberts to pick from after the Round 13 bye. With what we've seen from the team I'd expect us to win more then half the remaining games. It won;t get us to the finals but it will sling shot intot he off season for a good assault on 23.

Next year will be a huge transition year for the comp. We're already seeing it with Souths and Easts coming right back to the field. Next year Storm, Eels and Penrith are losing key players and wont be able to replace them from the market. The Dolphins coming in will spead the talent even thinner, sides like us who have been waiting will have a chance to shoot up the ladder. I dont think we're that far off and even though 2022 is a write off as far as finals go I think there are heap of positives we can get from the rest of the year.
Good post Vic, I still think the way results are going for all in this comp, anything is possible, after all, we are still only 3 wins outside the 8, will be tough to do certainly, but not impossible. Just need a bit of luck if injuries, imo.
 

Phil Gould

Juniors
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419
Well put, nice summary. I have a feeling things will start to turn around soon, not because we have a team of players out there that could do better but because the team are pretty much all putting in 100% despite everything going against them. It’s admirable.
 

Phil Gould

Juniors
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419
I put money on them to make the 8 at the start of the year then a bit more after the first couple of rounds. I should have waited a little longer.
 

Pezz70

Juniors
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Tigers always giving glimpses of good things, but they need to consolidate the gains by winning matches, whichever way you look at it losing is losing, as the great Ricky Bobby once said, ‘If you ain’t first, you’re last.’
The last few weeks show what a change in attitude can do, the way the forwards have all upped their workload is quite frankly, shocking…….where has it been for the last two years????

There has seemingly been some improvement in defence but teams still score too many points and we don’t score enough. To be anywhere near competitive you really have to keep that points differential in the black.
 
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Phil Gould

Juniors
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419
The biggest difference for me comes from having a player like Hastings on the field, he’s let Brooks find his place and the confidence has a knock on effect, especially with all the dead weight gone.
 

Vic Mackey

Referee
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25,442
Whilst I dont want to completely write this year off moving forward 2023 looks like a quality side and our best on paper since 2011. Theres still some gaps to be filled but:

1. Laurie
2. Nofoaluma
3. Doeuihi
4. Toa
5. Maulmalo
6. Brooks
7. Hastings
8. Utoikamanu
9. Korisau
10. Musgrove
11. Papalli
12. New Buy
13. Ofahengaue

14. Twal
15. Seyfarth
16. New Buy
17. Simpkin/Rua
 

BrotherJim05

Bench
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3,458
Completely agree with everything you have said Vic. Despite the ladder position and the losses, I also feel we have turned a corner and things are starting to improve. This year was all about setting ourselves up for next year and we are starting to see a quality side forming. If we indeed can have our full strength side back after the bye round then we will really start to see what we are capable of:
1. Laurie
2. Nofa
3. Doueihi
4. To'a
5. Malo
6. Brooks
7. Hastings
8. Tamou
9. Simpkins
10. Musgrove
11. Kelma
12. Luciano
13. Offa

14. Stefano
15. Twal
16. Garner
17. Peachy/Liddle
 

Tigerm

Coach
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11,103
Here's all the latest injury news heading into Round 9.

BRISBANE BRONCOS​


PLAYERISSUERETURN
Jake TurpinShoulderTBA
Payne HaasShoulderTBA
Kurt CapewellNeckRound 10
Brendan PiakuraHamstringRound 10
Tesi NiuHamstringRound 17
Albert KellyFootRound 21
Xavier WillisonKneeIndefinite

CANBERRA RAIDERS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Jarrod CrokerShoulderTBA
Charnze Nicoll-KlokstadLegTBA
Elliott WhiteheadFaceRound 9
Jack WightonSuspensionRound 11
Jamal FogartyKneeRound 15
Josh HodgsonKnee2023
Harley Smith-ShieldsKnee2023

CANTERBURY BULLDOGS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Braidon BurnsHamstringRound 15
Chris PatoloHIAIndefinite
Jack HetheringtonShoulderIndefinite
Raymond Faitala-MarinerFootIndefinite
Matt DooreyKneeIndefinite

CRONULLA SHARKS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Braden Hamlin-UelePectoralRound 18

GOLD COAST TITANS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Jaimin JolliffeCalfRound 10
Phillip SamiKneeRound 10
David FifitaKneeRound 13
Joseph VunaACLIndefinite
Shallin FullerLeg2023

MANLY SEA EAGLES​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Haumole Olakau'atuIllnessRound 10
Josh SchusterCalfRound 10
Karl LawtonSuspensionRound 13
Jason SaabToeRound 13
Brad ParkerKneeIndefinite
Manase FainuStood downIndefinite

MELBOURNE STORM​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Ryan PapenhuyzenKnee/HamstringTBA
Tom EisenhuthCalfRound 10
Tepai MoeroaShoulderRound 15
Reimis SmithPectoralRound 22
Tui KamikamicaStood downIndefinite
Christian WelchAchilles2023
George JenningsACL2023

NEWCASTLE KNIGHTS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Edrick LeeConcussionTBA
Jack JohnsArmTBA
Sauaso SueConcussionTBA
Brodie JonesElbowRound 10
Adam CluneKnee/HandRound 10
Mitchell BarnettSuspensionRound 10
Bailey HodgsonElbowRound 10
Dane GagaiCheekboneRound 12
Hymel HuntCheekboneRound 14
Jirah MomoiseaArmIndefinite
Jayden BraileyAchillesIndefinite

NEW ZEALAND WARRIORS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Jesse ArtharsShoulderTBA
Kodi NikorimaIllnessRound 10
Marcelo MontoyaSuspensionRound 10
Josh CurranKneeRound 12
Chanel Harris-TavitaRuptured testicleRound 12
Tohu HarrisKneeRound 12

NORTH QUEENSLAND COWBOYS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Mitch DunnKnee2023

PARRAMATTA EELS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Solomone NaidukiHamstringRound 9
Sean RussellRibsRound 10
Waqa BlakeKneeRound 15
Maika SivoKneeIndefinite
Ray StoneKnee2023
Haze DunsterKnee2023

PENRITH PANTHERS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Scott SorensenIllnessRound 10

SOUTH SYDNEY RABBITOHS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Jacob HostShoulderRound 12
Mark NichollsAnkleRound 12
Latrell MitchellHamstring/KneeRound 13
Jed CartwrightBackRound 14
Zane BijoracKneeRound 17

ST. GEORGE ILLAWARRA DRAGONS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Jaydn Su'AAnkleRound 12
Max FeagaiAnkleRound 12
Billy BurnsFootIndefinite

SYDNEY ROOSTERS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Renouf AtoniKneeTBA
Egan ButcherFootRound 10
Billy SmithFootRound 10
Connor WatsonThroatRound 10
Adam KeighranAnkleRound 10
Sam VerrillsCollarboneIndefinite

WESTS TIGERS​

PLAYERISSUERETURN
Thomas MikaeleConcussionTBA
Ken MaumaloConcussionTBA
Daine LaurieKneeRound 13
James RobertsBackIndefinite
Adam DoueihiKneeIndefinite
Tommy TalauKneeIndefinite
Shawn BloreKnee2023

Tigers injury news​

Daine Laurie (knee) will miss up to six weeks with an MCL sprain sustained in the one-point win over South Sydney. James Roberts (back) has undergone surgery and will be sidelined indefinitely.

Michael Maguire says Adam Doueihi (knee) is tracking well in his recovery from surgery, with Tigers medical staff anticipating a mid-season return for the injured five-eighth.

Shawn Blore (knee) has suffered an ACL injury and will miss the entire 2022 season.
 

Choiboi

Juniors
Messages
218
Thanks for the positive post. It's been hard to follow this fkn team over the past few seasons.

This year has been better. We clearly don't have a top 8 roster but the boys are putting in.

We can't control injuries and refs/bunker calls. We can control our attitudes and it's pleasant to see the boys put in for 80mins most games this year and remain in the contest most of the time.

Hastings has been a solid leader and Tamous has lifted this game, so the boys around them has lifted as well.

Cayless' recruitment has also aided our defense structures, without the mixed messages and we seem to defend with more urgency.

We still attack at half speed compared to the top teams but that's probably because we are lacking the backs thru injuries or lack of recruitment. Hopefully, we can land a couple of gun backs or hope that some of the younger boys come good.
 

Shredder

Juniors
Messages
1,532
Vic I did the same thing yesterday with next years team.

We seem to be heavily linked to Nikora for that back row spot, but I have a horrible feeling we are going to end up with Bird.
 

BrotherJim05

Bench
Messages
3,458
We should really try hitting up Cowboys for one of their back rowers. It really is crazy that they splashed all this money on Luciano when they already have such good stocks that wouldn't demand much (at least compared to Luciano). I also reckon we should go after Talakai. He is off contract next year and Sharks are under cap pressure
 

Tiger05

First Grade
Messages
9,768
Completely agree with everything you have said Vic. Despite the ladder position and the losses, I also feel we have turned a corner and things are starting to improve. This year was all about setting ourselves up for next year and we are starting to see a quality side forming. If we indeed can have our full strength side back after the bye round then we will really start to see what we are capable of:
1. Laurie
2. Nofa
3. Doueihi
4. To'a
5. Malo
6. Brooks
7. Hastings
8. Tamou
9. Simpkins
10. Musgrove
11. Kelma
12. Luciano
13. Offa

14. Stefano
15. Twal
16. Garner
17. Peachy/Liddle

It's not a bad team is it.
 

Ned Kelly

Juniors
Messages
1,905
We are TOP of the bottom four. Can we make it in to a top 12 position. Exciting stuff. I'm actually being a bit serious here after being certain the spoon was ours at the start of the season.
Looking at the team we have been able to put on the park compared to other teams rosters we are not going abysmally.
 

Tiger Ted

Bench
Messages
3,289
We are TOP of the bottom four. Can we make it in to a top 12 position. Exciting stuff. I'm actually being a bit serious here after being certain the spoon was ours at the start of the season.
Looking at the team we have been able to put on the park compared to other teams rosters we are not going abysmally.
We’ve finally got ourselves a passionate extroverted & most importantly rugby league intelligent halfback.His impact on a perpetually directionless & leaderless team is incalculable.The sooner AD gets back the greater our chance albeit small of sneaking into the 8.We have 3 games coming up that are winnable.We have to win 2 of them as With assistance from the injury Gods I have a strong hunch we will go on a winning streak in back half of comp.
 

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