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Perth Red

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You would hope so but I haven't had any indication from the ARLC about how conservative they are in their thinking.
 

Perth Red

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Surely Red Rooster as sponsor? :)

I'm thinking the logo could be some genetically modified hybrid of a Red Kangaroo and a Chicken!
 

Goddo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/expansion-connected-to-new-tv-rights-deal-20120418-1x7q4.html

Expansion connected to new TV rights deal
Strong interest by broadcasters in a second Brisbane team may prompt the ARL Commission to ask TV networks to lodge a separate rights bid for an 18-team competition.

Both Fox Sports and Channel Nine are keen to televise a second Brisbane team and capitalise on the parochial ratings of Queenslanders.

With only three Queensland NRL teams in its 16-team competition - Brisbane, North Queensland and Gold Coast - Nine is frequently frustrated finding enough Queensland teams to schedule for its Friday night double header and its Sunday afternoon coverage.

Ratings are traditionally down in Queensland when Nine shows an all-Sydney game on Sundays, such as the recent Penrith-Wests Tigers match.

Fox Sports also suffers because the free-to-air coverage of the three Queensland teams means there is less incentive for northerners to take up Foxtel subscriptions.
While Sydney subscriptions are approximately 40 per cent of households, Brisbane is in the 33 to 35 per cent range.

Nine boss David Gyngell has intimated he would pay an additional $100 million over five years in broadcast fees should a second Brisbane team be accepted, even as a 17th team, meaning a bye and the existing eight matches each week.

Broadcasters bidding for TV rights have been told to tender on the basis of a 16-team competition but ARLC chief executive David Gallop has said expansion could be factored into negotiations.

''We obviously would be interested to know what value broadcasters place on a ninth match,'' Gallop said.

A ninth match, meaning an 18th team, would draw even more broadcasting revenue, with the AFL acknowledging it drew an additional $150 million from the introduction of the low rating Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants.

Perth is widely regarded as the best option as an 18th team, given the opportunity it presents with an additional time zone. However, both Nine and Fox Sports have expressed lukewarm interest in a Perth team.

This may change if Channel Seven becomes an active bidder for the rights. Seven, unlike Nine, owns the Perth channel.

Gallop has told the Perth and Queensland bids that the commission would be unlikely to address the question of expansion until August and even then may announce there will be no new teams during the life of the next broadcast contract.

Thats what I'd heard last week, and hinted at a few pages back in this thread (and attacked by the Bears cheer squad for saying it).

Brisbane is pretty much already over the line, and Perth *should* be club 18, but there is a confidence issue around them, keeping the door ajar for the Bears.
 
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Goddo

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Well thankfully nothing that I choose to accept or ignore makes any difference as to expansion so effectively I don't have to do either.

But I take you at your word and if your proven to be right I'll publicly acknowledge it. Obviously you'll do the same if your proven to be wrong?
I'm waiting.
 

Red&BlackBear

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According to many good judges on here, Perth and Ipswich were over the line yet reading this article Ipswich is being courted as Broncos heartland and Perth has a lukewarm view from the networks. That said things can change and remember how much things have changed thus far regarding favourite bids etc. The non mention of the CCBears bid doesn't concern me either (I'm sure some smarty will pick up on that and mention it). After the Bears @ Work yesterday in which Joe Hockey attended, things are looking good from our side of the fence, though I'm sure some sceptics on here will disregard it.

Also either the article or 9 are full of sh!t, they say that they need more qld teams to broadcast on Fridays, well what about the Titans or Cowboys? Have they been forgotten in all of this? The reason Broncos rate well is because they are the Broncos, it's their brand which is the selling point. 9 know that Cowboys or Titans won't rate anywhere near what the Broncos will, hence by they won't play them on Fridays so egg isnt squarely put on the networks face.
 
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BuffaloRules

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Perth has a lukewarm view from the networks

Actually the article says that 9 and Fox are lukewarm. Seven mabe not. I assume this is the same 9 that you then go on to say are full of sh!t. You only believe the bits you want to believe...

Any comment on the $100 Million Nine will supposedly pay even if they dont get another game a week?

Dont forget, its not just about the Friday night game, its having the possibility of showing the other SEQ team on Sunday arvo's as well, and to have more games to show exclusively on Fox to boost subscribers who at the moment get to see the Broncos every week for free..

These are the issues that several of us have been saying here for years and you have been denying, so I dont expect you to believe it now even if is being reported in unbiased media outlets...
 

Red&BlackBear

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Actually the article says that 9 and Fox are lukewarm. Seven mabe not. I assume this is the same 9 that you then go on to say are full of sh!t. You only believe the bits you want to believe...

Any comment on the $100 Million Nine will supposedly pay even if they dont get another game a week?

Dont forget, its not just about the Friday night game, its having the possibility of showing the other SEQ team on Sunday arvo's as well, and to have more games to show exclusively on Fox to boost subscribers who at the moment get to see the Broncos every week for free..

These are the issues that several of us have been saying here for years and you have been denying, so I dont expect you to believe it now even if is being reported in unbiased media outlets...

Again what about the Titans and Cowboys? Why not show some of their games on fta on Fridays or Sundays? I'm not reading what I want to read, it's the likes of you and some other people who are, as you said when unbiased journalism portrays a picture where Perth aren't the shoe-in's many kept barking on about and likewise Ipswich. My views on the matter haven't changed, even if every second article posted on here says something different to the previous.
 
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Perth Red

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Reality is Perth is more about growing the game and Brisbane2 is about growing the pot. I am more concerned with the lack of strategy for definate expansion and can't believe they aren;t going to the TV execs with an 18 team comp from 2015, they have said they are willing to pay for it so why wouldn;t you take the opportunity?
 

Goddo

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Reality is Perth is more about growing the game and Brisbane2 is about growing the pot. I am more concerned with the lack of strategy for definate expansion and can't believe they aren;t going to the TV execs with an 18 team comp from 2015, they have said they are willing to pay for it so why wouldn;t you take the opportunity?
Beacuse the ARLC are using it as an issue to play media rights bidders against each other. The ARLC will only have a financial commitment based on locations, reserving the final decision on expansion themselves.

The longer they stall the more they can squeeze out of TV. Broadcasters badly want another Brisbane. The NRL is seeing how much they can get out of them.

They are being astute and canny in negotiations. Nice to see. It is Perth vs Gosford for spot two, and I think the fighting may start to get ugly from those camps as it dawns on them.
 

BuffaloRules

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Again what about the Titans and Cowboys? Why not show some of their games on fta on Fridays or Sundays?

What does it matter what I think?

Im not the one proposing to pay an extra $100 Million for another Brisbane team...

Channel 9 are going to understand what their audience wants more than you or I...
 

Beowulf

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Reality is Perth is more about growing the game and Brisbane2 is about growing the pot. I am more concerned with the lack of strategy for definate expansion and can't believe they aren;t going to the TV execs with an 18 team comp from 2015, they have said they are willing to pay for it so why wouldn;t you take the opportunity?

They are, don't worry.

Unfortunately (its always been my wish for WA and Bears), FTA and Fox aren't interested in a WA team - in fact, info coming out recently suggests they are quite opposed. Add to that the lack of confidence from the NRL that a team can be both competitive (constant jet lag, distance from families of relocating players - particularly an issue for Pacific Islanders, high real estate costs in Perth all = overinflated salaries) and well managed (given the record of certain figures who have jumped on the bandwagon recently, and the lack of experience in the WARL).

I seriously think WA's best chances in the short term come from courting vulnerable East Coast teams into a relocation deal, and I hope that happens so you get a team.
 

BuffaloRules

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They are, don't worry.

Unfortunately (its always been my wish for WA and Bears), FTA and Fox aren't interested in a WA team - in fact, info coming out recently suggests they are quite opposed. Add to that the lack of confidence from the NRL that a team can be both competitive (constant jet lag, distance from families of relocating players - particularly an issue for Pacific Islanders, high real estate costs in Perth all = overinflated salaries) and well managed (given the record of certain figures who have jumped on the bandwagon recently, and the lack of experience in the WARL).

I seriously think WA's best chances in the short term come from courting vulnerable East Coast teams into a relocation deal, and I hope that happens so you get a team.

So all the reasons you put forward against a WA team in your second paragraph go away if an East Coast team relocates there. All of a sudden TV networks are interested?
 

Goddo

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If they are willing to spend right away $100M on another Brisbane side, how much extra revenue are they expecting the side to make them, without even adding a 9th game? How far further can we push them?

Clearly Sunday Qld vs NSW games are on the agenda, which only another Brisbane OzTam metro side allows.
 

Beowulf

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Beacuse the ARLC are using it as an issue to play media rights bidders against each other. The ARLC will only have a financial commitment based on locations, reserving the final decision on expansion themselves.

The longer they stall the more they can squeeze out of TV. Broadcasters badly want another Brisbane. The NRL is seeing how much they can get out of them.

They are being astute and canny in negotiations. Nice to see. It is Perth vs Gosford for spot two, and I think the fighting may start to get ugly from those camps as it dawns on them.

Your assuming of course the Titans will survive and become financially secure and prosperous in the next 3 months. The Bears have always been at the top of the list behind closed doors. The fact 9 will pay extra for a SEQ team means they have a good chance for the 18th license, but the Titans dramas bring WA and Rocky into the game.
 

Goddo

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Again what about the Titans and Cowboys? Why not show some of their games on fta on Fridays or Sundays?

The problem there is that the Cowboys are are a regional side and not as valuable ratings wise as a Brisbane metro side.

The Titans are metro, but are a niche within that.

Then you have the problem of at least one team sucking from Queensland, and the way games are divided up between Pay/Free TV means the best Qld game is Friday Night 9, second best is a Pay TV Saturday or Monday game.

The crap Qld game ends up the early Saturday or Sunday timeslot on pay TV, usually as one of the last picks by Pay TV, along with Raiders and Warriors home games.

To meet the demand for a Sunday Qld vs NSW block buster from the networks, the game needs a 4th side, preferably in Brisbane.

No such scheduling issues exist in Sydney, where there are more teams than there are high demand timeslots.

Time to set your sights on Perth. I don't know why you see Brisbane as your enemy.
 
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BuffaloRules

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If they are willing to spend right away $100M on another Brisbane side, how much extra revenue are they expecting the side to make them, without even adding a 9th game? How far further can we push them?

Clearly Sunday Qld vs NSW games are on the agenda, which only another Brisbane OzTam metro side allows.

Also, in respect of Perth, I would love to know why TV networks are not interested in a new live time slot back to the East Coast at 9.30pm Friday and Sat nights, and 6pm or 6.30 pm on a Sunday night?

Doesnt make any sense?
 

BuffaloRules

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Time to set your sights on Perth. I don't know why you see Brisbane as your enemy.

The Bears army is mobilising for the full frontal assault on Perth as we speak...

Im expecting three negative articles about the WA Reds on The Roar by this time tomorrow....
 

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