West Coast Pirates Bid News

[Perth Red]

Article in RLW this week on the push for a Perth team. Why does no one ask Elias how much money sage is willing to invest in a Nrl club?

The line "we are not willing to spend a $ until the nrl announce Perth is definite" sums their bid up for me!

 

[clarency]

Sounds like smart business to me.

Also sounds like you have a grudge against Saggy. He hasn't done anything that would indicate he is bad for the sport... Not to me at least.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Sounds like smart business to me.

Also sounds like you have a grudge against Saggy. He hasn't done anything that would indicate he is bad for the sport... Not to me at least.

Just for mine, I'd much rather have the WARL run the club rather than a private investor, esp when said private investor has thrown tanty's while running the Perth soccer team.

The WARL have been there from the start, they've been the people doing the groundwork and they brought the Reds name back to life. I've got no doubt they can run a successful NRL club on top of the current WARL comps.

 

[Perth Red]

As above. Sage's arrogance at coming in at the 12th hour and wanting to reap the rewards created by the hard work of the warl plus his reign at the inglorious glory (losing millions, on the nose with fans, threatening to close them down, failing to capitalize on the massive soccer fan base here etc etc) is why I am not keen on him.so far he has offered nothing other than access to possible sponsors (who he can't engage for his current team). The Sage bid is all about cutting his admin costs for the Glory, nothing to do with growing RL in WA.

 

[clarency]

I'm more referring to a possible merger between the two. Obviously the WARL has the best interests at growing the game and so forth.

But considering the little known fact that 95% of pro sport teams in the country don't make a profit, coming across a guy with a lota dosh isn't someone you wanna pass on quickly.

 

[Spitty]

The line "we are not willing to spend a $ until the nrl announce Perth is definite" sums their bid up for me!

So if the NRL come out and identify that they definitely want to expand into Perth and they call for bids from Perth (and presumably another location) then Sage'll start to spend money. Is that correct?

But if the NRL do no such thing and just ask for any bids from any location and they judge each bid on it's merits, then Sage will effectively have no bid. Without spending any money all he can present to the NRL is that he's rich and that he own's an under performing soccer team. He can't show community engagement, he can't show how his bid will improve Rugby League in the area, he can't even do market research on the area, he'd have to rely on publicly available research which is not client based and specific to his needs.

He'd be no hope.

 

[Goddo]

So if the NRL come out and identify that they definitely want to expand into Perth and they call for bids from Perth (and presumably another location) then Sage'll start to spend money. Is that correct?

But if the NRL do no such thing and just ask for any bids from any location and they judge each bid on it's merits, then Sage will effectively have no bid. Without spending any money all he can present to the NRL is that he's rich and that he own's an under performing soccer team. He can't show community engagement, he can't show how his bid will improve Rugby League in the area, he can't even do market research on the area, he'd have to rely on publicly available research which is not client based and specific to his needs.

He'd be no hope.

The NRL will call for bids from 2 specific locations. Perth is one of the two.

I have reservations about the Reds long term being run by the WARL. Its ok for now as the WARL doesn't get a vote on the IC, but I can see a conflict of interest later once the Reds are well established (ie 20 years from now). I hope the ownership of the Reds evolves as time goes on, either into a member or private ownership model.

 

[Spitty]

The NRL will call for bids from 2 specific locations. Perth is one of the two.

I'm not so sure about that. I know the ARLC are doing things differently than what the NRL have done in the past, but I think specifically targeting area's which may or may not have good bids when another area may have a good bid is dangerous.


It's a good strategy if your like the AFL and you've got a war chest of money to pump into a team to ensure they don't fail. But we haven't got that, in the NRL any club that enter's has to be self sufficient from day 1.

 

[CQ Italia]

There has been suggestions they may shortlist to 3-4 bids around July

 

[_Johnsy]

There has been suggestions they may shortlist to 3-4 bids around July

2nd brisbane
Bears
Perth
CQ

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL will call for bids from 2 specific locations. Perth is one of the two.

I have reservations about the Reds long term being run by the WARL. Its ok for now as the WARL doesn't get a vote on the IC, but I can see a conflict of interest later once the Reds are well established (ie 20 years from now). I hope the ownership of the Reds evolves as time goes on, either into a member or private ownership model.

I'd like to see a 3 way split with third members owned, third rich backer and third warl. We saw the disaster of private ownership before and unless a private backer has a deep affinity for the code or club I would always be very concerned about sole ownership.

I have said it before and I'll say it again Sage brings nothing to the table for the warl. He is on record as saying he will not be spending a cent of his own money. All he is offering is the Perth glory staff to share their time and elias as ceo.Pointless getting in bed with him.

 

[Spitty]

There has been suggestions they may shortlist to 3-4 bids around July

If that is the case then according to his quote he won't be spending any money. In those circumstances Perth aren't definitely getting a team.

 

[Perth Red]

In contrast the warl have spent $100k on a market research study. Over $400k on developing jnr academy and sg ball side, taken financial risks to get nrl games back to Perth. Spent countless hours lobbying nrl and win/ch9 to get the game shown on fat. Got a number of sponsors on board inc, Harvey Norman, cash convertors and virgin airlines. Heck even I've spent over $2k getting fans involved!

Sage? $0!

 

[RedVee]

You must be wealthier than Sage.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

If that is the case then according to his quote he won't be spending any money. In those circumstances Perth aren't definitely getting a team.

Perth are definites and have been for a number of years. It has always been a question of who will join them as the 18th team.

 

[Goddo]

I'm not so sure about that. I know the ARLC are doing things differently than what the NRL have done in the past, but I think specifically targeting area's which may or may not have good bids when another area may have a good bid is dangerous.


It's a good strategy if your like the AFL and you've got a war chest of money to pump into a team to ensure they don't fail. But we haven't got that, in the NRL any club that enter's has to be self sufficient from day 1.

Its what the ARLC is going to do. 2 locations will be called on to bid. A third might also be asked as the ARLC apparently has some apprehensions about Perth.

As to it being a good strategy, well the bids will all be pretty much fully formed and costed and theoretically won't need extra funding. After seeing the Titans issues, we know that probably isn't true of any bid. But the game will have an operating budget of around $1.4B over 5 years (media rights and sponsorships).

So your "warchest" argument falls down there.

 

[Goddo]

2nd brisbane
Bears
Perth
CQ

Wrong. It is

Ipswich
Brisbane Bombers
Perth Reds
Central Coast Bears

One of the first two will get in. One of the second two will get in.

Perth are definites and have been for a number of years. It has always been a question of who will join them as the 18th team.

Thats not true. Due to TV rights its a Brisbane bid which is now a lock for licence 17.

The NRL has some reservations about Perth, which is on paper the best choice for 18. But there will be a hard fought battle with Gosford for that licence.

 

[Perth Red]

Wrong. It is

Ipswich
Brisbane Bombers
Perth Reds
Central Coast Bears

One of the first two will get in. One of the second two will get in.


Thats not true. Due to TV rights its a Brisbane bid which is now a lock for licence 17.

The NRL has some reservations about Perth, which is on paper the best choice for 18. But there will be a hard fought battle with Gosford for that licence.

Where are you picking up the reservations about Perth bit from? I have heard nothing from gallop or grant that would suggest there are any greater concerns about Perth than any other bid. Presuming th aw reds bid team have done their jobs in engaging corporates and putting a sound business case together we tick all the boxes.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Where are you picking up the reservations about Perth bit from? I have heard nothing from gallop or grant that would suggest there are any greater concerns about Perth than any other bid. Presuming th aw reds bid team have done their jobs in engaging corporates and putting a sound business case together we tick all the boxes.

Every bid is going to be criticized at some capacity and like I've said all along, what's reported in the media and what's happening behind closed doors are two different things. You posted before about how much the WARL has spent on the overall landscape + bid in the Reds and that's great, good vision and strong believes in the code but at the same time you guys aren't the only ones. If you guys tick all the boxes presumably then so do we... twice over.

 

[KnightsMan90]

Wrong. It is

Ipswich
Brisbane Bombers
Perth Reds
Central Coast Bears

One of the first two will get in. One of the second two will get in.


Thats not true. Due to TV rights its a Brisbane bid which is now a lock for licence 17.

The NRL has some reservations about Perth, which is on paper the best choice for 18. But there will be a hard fought battle with Gosford for that licence.

Any evidence to suggest this is the case.