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Why the hell would we volunteer to have 3 of our home games at Lang Park from 25 to 27? We had a 'home' game there this year. This should mean over the next 3 years, 2 of our away games should be played there. Now that that's locked we'll probably play QLD teams just to make it a really authentic home ground experience.

This is the first thing Richo has done that's just f**king stupid. Unless there's some financial reason, but that isn't mentioned.
 

Perth Tiger

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Why the hell would we volunteer to have 3 of our home games at Lang Park from 25 to 27? We had a 'home' game there this year. This should mean over the next 3 years, 2 of our away games should be played there. Now that that's locked we'll probably play QLD teams just to make it a really authentic home ground experience.

This is the first thing Richo has done that's just f**king stupid. Unless there's some financial reason, but that isn't mentioned.
Simple reason. Money

can’t remember the details but teams that give up the home game make bank at magic round.

makes me slightly concerned on how bad our finances are that Richo is so keen to whore us out but to be honest we have been a whore for the whole club’s existence
 
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Simple reason. Money

can’t remember the details but teams that give up the home game make bank at magic round.

makes me slightly concerned on how bad our finances are that Richo is so keen to whore us out but to be honest we have been a whore for the whole club’s existence
According to Richo and the NRL we are the only team not making a profit.
 

Tiger05

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Sione Fainu needs to be resigned. Sezer has a mutual option so he'll be here but it's a waste of a spot. He has been good though and deserves a cup contract.

Alaimalo hasn't been bad but he'll never be a gun winger.

Stef to me isn't worth the money. I like him as a player and the fact he is a big middle forward who can have an impact is a massive plus but I think we have guys that do the job for significantly less money and that money should be spent elsewhere.

Faataape on a development contract is a good deal for us. He probably deserves a top 30 contract as a squad player.
 

Tigerm

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Sione Fainu needs to be resigned. Sezer has a mutual option so he'll be here but it's a waste of a spot. He has been good though and deserves a cup contract.

Alaimalo hasn't been bad but he'll never be a gun winger.

Stef to me isn't worth the money. I like him as a player and the fact he is a big middle forward who can have an impact is a massive plus but I think we have guys that do the job for significantly less money and that money should be spent elsewhere.

Faataape on a development contract is a good deal for us. He probably deserves a top 30 contract as a squad player.
I’m hoping Sezer stays, as we do need another quality 7, if Luai plays SOO?
Agree with Si Fainu signing.
Faataape isn’t costing the earth, but not that fussed on the rest.
 
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Tigerm

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Can anyone put their finger on the problem with the club?
We’ve been shit for over a decade.
The board has changed a few times, so it can’t be that.
The coaches have changed a few times, so it can’t be that.
The players have changed a few times, so it can’t be that.
The facilities have been upgraded, so it can’t be that.

We just can’t seem to move past the bottom, some of our recruitment has ended up very ordinary, we have had some very ordinary coaches, I thought we punted Madge a season too early, players at this level shouldn’t need a lot of coaching to play, but we have just sucked for so long, it’s baffling.

I do see some light, with the kids coming through, but they may take a while to come to fruition:(
 

Tiger05

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It's just years of poor decisions being made plus having some disadvantages namely that we don't have the money to throw under the table.

They have to tighten up recruitment and retention.
 
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Can anyone put their finger on the problem with the club?
We’ve been shit for over a decade.
The board has changed a few times, so it can’t be that.
The coaches have changed a few times, so it can’t be that.
The players have changed a few times, so it can’t be that.
The facilities have been upgraded, so it can’t be that.

We just can’t seem to move past the bottom, some of our recruitment has ended up very ordinary, we have had some very ordinary coaches, I thought we punted Madge a season too early, players at this level shouldn’t need a lot of coaching to play, but we have just sucked for so long, it’s baffling.

I do see some light, with the kids coming through, but they may take a while to come to fruition:(
The next couple of years are going to be crucial and if we don't get it right we'll be a feeder club to the NRL elite forever. I don't think anyone would disagree that we aren't one already.

On the positives we have Richo, who has fixed problem clubs like ours before. Most notably Souths who were in just as bad a shape as we are, if not worse. Although they've only won one comp they are contending for the top 4 most years, and are able to recruit top name talent at under market value in a lot of cases. He also turned them around from being almost insolvent, to a profitable club. We have the right guy there.

The other one is Luai coming next year. He sounds extremely motivated to step out Cleary's shadow and based on what he has done this year at Penrith I think we have our man. The guy oozes confidence and I believe that behind closed doors he's backing himself and has the belief that he's just as good, if not better than Cleary. The bad news is he's coming to a club where the forward back routinely gets belted. Actually check that. Annihilated.

We have some good young talent coming through the ranks. The pathways and recruitment seems to be improving. The hard part is to keep them motivated and actually at the club during the hard times. They also need to shut up and let their footy do the talking.

Everything else about the club is a dumpster fire. I can identify a couple of problems, which I've done in the past, but we have little to no control over them. They've been caused by the way the NRL manage the competition.

As far as our play on the field goes, Gould said last night everything we do, the timing is slightly off. As I kept watching the game this proved to be true. I have no idea what the answer is and was at the bar thinking on what he said so didn't hear the answer. If there was one.
 

Tigerm

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"I think that's a real issue for some of their senior players who just aren't turning up and putting their best foot forward and playing as good as they possibly should be and on the money they're on I think it's crazy, I don't think it's good enough for first graders.
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Not only us saying it.
 

Tiger05

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"I think that's a real issue for some of their senior players who just aren't turning up and putting their best foot forward and playing as good as they possibly should be and on the money they're on I think it's crazy, I don't think it's good enough for first graders.
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Not only us saying it.

Who specifically is he talking about ? I mean it's easy to say it with a broad brush.

Sezer was crap and he is a senior player but he is also not getting paid big bucks. Api would be on good dollars but I can't blame him. Bula ? I don't see him as the problem. Doueihi - if he isn't on big dollars he isn't the issue. I can only think of Stef, Klemmer, Bateman, Jayden Sullivan and Papalli. Papalli is gone next year. Stef might be on his way as well.
 

Nutz

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Who specifically is he talking about ? I mean it's easy to say it with a broad brush.

Sezer was crap and he is a senior player but he is also not getting paid big bucks. Api would be on good dollars but I can't blame him. Bula ? I don't see him as the problem. Doueihi - if he isn't on big dollars he isn't the issue. I can only think of Stef, Klemmer, Bateman, Jayden Sullivan and Papalli. Papalli is gone next year. Stef might be on his way as well.
He can't name and shame certain players but he was eluding to certain players not playing to the size of their pay packet.
Klemmer looking like Monty Burns every game, Stef gets his nose broken early and goes walk about (he's a prop for God sake, it's part of the job, get on with it) and Bateman who is too light to act as an enforcer. He can't do much else so he's resorting to the tough stuff which isn't working. All he achieves is penalties or sin bins.
All said and done though, Benji needs to work on cohesion. If the team can play cohesive footy, they will give away less penalties, do less tackling and score more tries.
Cohesion can start from the first pass...service from scrums and dummy half are hardly ever out in front of a player to run onto, instead the first receiver has to baulk and it has a flow on effect.
Secondly we need to play some basic stuff...4 up the middle and edges followed by a high long kick to the corners with a great kick and chase.
There you go Benji, flog the team with those suggestions.
 

Tigerm

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Sezer confirmed for two weeks suspension.

It's not our only problem but it is a big concern at the penalties and suspensions we are receiving, not saying that a lot aren't justified as well.
 

Ron's_Mate

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England calling: Bateman bales on Tigers … but he’ll be back next year
By Christian Nicolussi and Dan Walsh
Updated July 23, 2024 — 6.21pmfirst published July 21, 2024 — 12.36pm

John Bateman will not play for the Wests Tigers again this season after being granted a short-term release to play in the Super League.

Sources with knowledge of the situation not authorised to speak publicly confirmed to this masthead Bateman would return home to England as early as this week, but would fulfil the remaining two years of his NRL deal with the Tigers.

Bateman watched training on Tuesday with David Klemmer and Adam Doueihi, who were ruled out of Friday’s clash with the New Zealand Warriors. Klemmer has an ankle injury, while the Tigers are managing the load in Doueihi’s knee.

The 30-year-old Bateman has looked frustrated on the field most of this season because of the team’s form, while he has regularly spoken about missing family in the north of England. The Tigers are expected to save around $150,000 in their cap.

This masthead revealed in May that Tigers CEO Shane Richardson flew to England to seek expressions of interest from clubs about several players, including Bateman.

As Bateman heads to the other side of the world, another outgoing Tigers back-rower, Isaiah Papali’i – who will join premiers Pemrith next season – admitted he had struggled to live up to his hefty price tag.

Papali’i inked a three-year deal with the Panthers while overcoming an ankle injury, but knows Tigers fans have not seen the same brand of football that made him a fan favourite at Parramatta.

The New Zealand international was told he would not have his $750,000-a-year contract renewed beyond 2025, and Penrith needed only a few days to swoop.

“It’s tough to hear, but it’s pretty much fact,” said Papali’i, when asked about his form over the past 18 months at the Tigers. “It’s obvious we’re not getting results, but also not playing the footy I’ve become used to in Parra colours.

“[Losing] drains you a bit. We put in a lot of hard work on the field and in the gym … you’re judged on your performances every weekend, those haven’t been the best, and that’s why everyone sees the form slump.”

Meanwhile, Tigers players suggested drawn-out contract talks were partly to blame for Stefano Utoikamanu’s form slump. The club hope to receive a concrete answer on Utoikamanu’s next move by Wednesday.

The 24-year-old prop has met with Storm officials twice – and has a five-year $4m extension on the table from the Tigers – but struggled the past six weeks, especially in attack. Apart from one powerhouse performance against the Gold Coast at Leichhardt Oval, he has failed to run for 100m.

Tigers skipper Api Koroisau said the intense speculation about Utoikamanu’s next deal was bound to have an impact on him physically and mentally, and “contract stuff will affect anyone, regardless of who they are”.

“Stef is still trying to put his best foot forward,” Koroisau said. “I don’t think the games [are suiting] our middles. We’re giving away a lot of possession, making a lot of tackles, and putting our forwards on the back foot.”

 

simmo05

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England calling: Bateman bales on Tigers … but he’ll be back next year
By Christian Nicolussi and Dan Walsh
Updated July 23, 2024 — 6.21pmfirst published July 21, 2024 — 12.36pm

John Bateman will not play for the Wests Tigers again this season after being granted a short-term release to play in the Super League.

Sources with knowledge of the situation not authorised to speak publicly confirmed to this masthead Bateman would return home to England as early as this week, but would fulfil the remaining two years of his NRL deal with the Tigers.

Bateman watched training on Tuesday with David Klemmer and Adam Doueihi, who were ruled out of Friday’s clash with the New Zealand Warriors. Klemmer has an ankle injury, while the Tigers are managing the load in Doueihi’s knee.

The 30-year-old Bateman has looked frustrated on the field most of this season because of the team’s form, while he has regularly spoken about missing family in the north of England. The Tigers are expected to save around $150,000 in their cap.

This masthead revealed in May that Tigers CEO Shane Richardson flew to England to seek expressions of interest from clubs about several players, including Bateman.

As Bateman heads to the other side of the world, another outgoing Tigers back-rower, Isaiah Papali’i – who will join premiers Pemrith next season – admitted he had struggled to live up to his hefty price tag.

Papali’i inked a three-year deal with the Panthers while overcoming an ankle injury, but knows Tigers fans have not seen the same brand of football that made him a fan favourite at Parramatta.

The New Zealand international was told he would not have his $750,000-a-year contract renewed beyond 2025, and Penrith needed only a few days to swoop.

“It’s tough to hear, but it’s pretty much fact,” said Papali’i, when asked about his form over the past 18 months at the Tigers. “It’s obvious we’re not getting results, but also not playing the footy I’ve become used to in Parra colours.

“[Losing] drains you a bit. We put in a lot of hard work on the field and in the gym … you’re judged on your performances every weekend, those haven’t been the best, and that’s why everyone sees the form slump.”

Meanwhile, Tigers players suggested drawn-out contract talks were partly to blame for Stefano Utoikamanu’s form slump. The club hope to receive a concrete answer on Utoikamanu’s next move by Wednesday.

The 24-year-old prop has met with Storm officials twice – and has a five-year $4m extension on the table from the Tigers – but struggled the past six weeks, especially in attack. Apart from one powerhouse performance against the Gold Coast at Leichhardt Oval, he has failed to run for 100m.

Tigers skipper Api Koroisau said the intense speculation about Utoikamanu’s next deal was bound to have an impact on him physically and mentally, and “contract stuff will affect anyone, regardless of who they are”.

“Stef is still trying to put his best foot forward,” Koroisau said. “I don’t think the games [are suiting] our middles. We’re giving away a lot of possession, making a lot of tackles, and putting our forwards on the back foot.”

He is the dumb bastard dragging out the contract talks! Lol what a dunce
 

Das Hassler

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Pap's asking if (quote) "would he be in the club's plans beyond '25" and being told no...he wouldn't be re-signed must have been pretty sobering.
 

Wizardman

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Us tiger fans are all too familiar with disappointment. But, I'd say the biggest disappointment of the last two seasons has been the signings of Bateman and Paps. I thought both of them were going to offer this club plenty. I did think that Bateman had some risk in him but his experience and stint in Canberra made it worth having a go at him. I thought the Paps signing was as solid as a rock though...I really couldn't see how the signing was going to fail.

I cannot believe that Im not sad to see either of them go.
 
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John Bateman will return home to England for the remainder of 2024 - but his time at the Wests Tigers isn't over just yet.

According to a report from The Sydney Morning Herald, the star back-rower has been granted a short-term release to play in the Super League.

He is expected to play out the season with Warrington under league great Sam Burgess,

I cannot believe the club lets Bateman return home because he misses his family,

However, with two years still left to run on his contract, Bateman is expected to return to Concord and fulfil his obligations in 2025 and 2026.
but is happy to have him back for the next 2 seasons - I guess he won't miss them again !

He's playing under Burgess for the rest of the season, when Burgess returns to Sydney, what are the chances Bateman also turns up at Maroubra?
 

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