You haven't made an argument Johnsy. You have agreed Brishane is built on a flood plain and has been flooded (in an extraordinary way) twice in 37 years. Apparently there was a flash
flood in South Sydney in 1986. I don't remember it because the infrastructure damage was
obviously trivial.
You attempted to claim that the flooding was as likely in the NSW rugby league heartland (the sydney clubs) as it was in Queensland (it could happen "anywhere"). This resulted in silly posturing about the relevance of rainfall and its role in the definition of climate.
You agreed the land in Queensland has been mismanaged!
I have merely put forward the obvious -> why bother rebuilding Brisbane! Like it or not, this has been heavily discussed all day in various media. With your degree in topsoil or whatever
I assume you are not a climate denier. You will know that these floods will likely not be one in one hundred year events, but one in ten year events.
Queensland's decline has begun, and with it, the decline of Queensland rugby league.
Lets start at the beginning of your claims, hell I'll even bold the points.
I stated the future of Queensland, and therefore Queensland rugby league is in doubt. I have taken the side of the argument that the future of Queensland is bleak, based on an appeal to authority RE climate science. Brisbane and Ipswitch are built on a flood plain.
None of the Sydney clubs are built on a flood plain
Are you sure about that ? There was flash flooding in South Sydney in June this year (areas also affected were the CBD and the eastern parts of the metropolitan area.
I take it you forgot about the Sydney floods in 1986 that killed 6 people. You can have a bit of a search and I am sure you'll find that the Parramatta River Catchment is in fact considered a major flood risk.
http://www.uprct.nsw.gov.au/Maps%20&%20Overheads/whole%20catchment%20map.pdf
It is about infrastructure, not lives. The deaths of 12 people/ 6 people etc are trivial in the scheme of things (not for their families obviously but from national perspective). Our rainfall patterns are nothing like what has caused the current flooding in Queensland, combine that with the way they have degraded the land and you have a completely different situation. You are clutching at straws.
Firstly floodplains, now infrastructure.
It was originally about floodplains, now it's infrastructure. Can you keep the goalposts still. The rainfall patterns that have occurred up here can happen anywhere, the intensity of the rainfall & the topography of where it fell is the issue. Give up, your ridiculous claims re: topography, floodplains, rainfall and land management are making you look foolish.
Believe it or not the amount of rainfall that has been received over the last 4 days in the area west of Brisbane, have, can and will occur again in varying parts of Australia.
I take it you aware of the monsoonal rains you get in Darwin.
The highest ever annual rainfall is at Mt Bellenden Ker in Far Nth-QLD over 11,000mm. Tully also has a mean annual rainfall of 4400mm. In the 70's Melbourne received more than 120mm rain in 2 hours.
In 1984 Sydney city centre had over 190mm in 3 hours. In he same year Wollongong received over 800mm in 24hours on the escarpment. Alice Springs had over 300mm of rain in less than 24 hours[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1] in 88. [/SIZE][/FONT]So these freak rain events, that result in flash flooding occur in many places, as I claimed.
The goal posts washed away when they built the infrastructure on the flood plains!
So Brisbane is not on a floodplain (washed away twice in 37 years)?
The land has not been mismanaged? Try googing "topsoil in Queensland".
As for the Queensland and NSW having the same climate, you are deluded.
I did not state that Brisbane is not on a floodplain, I did not state the land has not been mismanaged, all of Australia's historic farming lands have been mismanaged, I did not state that QLD & NSW have the same climate. That is a lie, plain and simple.
You really need to stop making things up, or just give the lying a rest.
I have not stated once that QLD & NSW have the same climate, nor did I claim that Brisbane or parts of Brisbane are not on flood plains, nor did I suggest anything to do with land being mismanaged.
Trust me, you don't need to educate me on top soil issues.
You claimed the rainfall that occurred could have happened "anywhere" (read NSW). From a rainfall perspective you are claiming the climate is similar or the same, and it just aint so . You seem to be agreeing with me, so why are you seemingly annoyed with me?
No i m not. You jumped to this conclusion all by yourself. As I said before, these type of rain events (that cause flash flooding) can occure anywhere. These short heavy rainfall amounts are not defined to anyone area. Prevailing climate conditions will deermine this. Areas are more prone to these rain events.
No I am not. Did you actually study and science at school? Climate does not equal rainfall. Not even from a "rainfall perspective" FMD that's funny. In simple terms climate is the following in a defined are (temperature, air pressure, humidity, cloud cover/type, wind speed/direction, amount of sun, and rainfall) Go back and actually read what I typed, or stop misquoting.
I have provided above the difference between climate and rainfall. If you mis-interpreted what i wrote, not my problem. It's there in black and white.
I know what you wrote, and I also know a man who is clinging to semantics. You know full well what was meant
Yeah, i do. Now you can check it aain.
I actually pity you. Just man up and admit you are wrong. Its there in black and white.
Wrong about what? The argument is about the future of Queensland and with it Queensland rugby league. So far you have made ad hominem attacks, and diverted from the argument about the semantics of what constitutes climate (when the use of license was clear).
You were wrong with your claims above.
The "argument" topic is there to see. You are the one who chops and changes without addressing points raised. If you make a claim that is wrong, just admit it and cop it on the chin and move on. Exactly what licence are you refering to, this is the first time it has been mentioned. Dodging again ?
