What those advocating afl style expansion don't want u to know

[MugaB]

You're wery angry today colk, is this thread hurting your brain

 

[Colk]

You're wery angry today colk, is this thread hurting your brain

Haha I might need to take a chill pill.

 

[Perth Red]

TV reach into western Sydney is huge for advertisers which equates to big bucks, this is why Packer loved league.

why? is western sydney full of people with large disposable cash amounts? As you can see from this map WA continues to have one of the largest disposable incomes in the country, I expect that's pretty valuable to advertisers?

Disposable income in Australia

Finder analysed earnings and living expenses to find out where Aussies have the most disposable income and where is the best place to retire.

www.finder.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe when the afl tv deal goes up they will be able to return spending back to normal and also not make a loss overall.

Well they managed it for the preceding years, so yes I would expect they will, especially given how much their tv revenue is about to go up by.

 

[T-Boon]

unlike afl rugby league is a sport for all demographics. Their failure to make inroads into the Polynesian and migrant communities in Sydney means they are always going to struggle

what a load of shit. We all but deliberately exclude anyone who is not dero class.

 

[Pippen94]

what a load of shit. We all but deliberately exclude anyone who is not dero class.

Afl is by far the least diverse code by fans & players

 

[Pippen94]

why? is western sydney full of people with large disposable cash amounts? As you can see from this map WA continues to have one of the largest disposable incomes in the country, I expect that's pretty valuable to advertisers?

Disposable income in Australia

Finder analysed earnings and living expenses to find out where Aussies have the most disposable income and where is the best place to retire.

www.finder.com.au

Great, then channel 9 - fox should've demanded a team there instead of just brisbane

 

[Pippen94]

TBF if Storm had the support level of the Swans we might be.

TV wise storm do better in Melbourne than swans in Sydney

 

[Perth Red]

TV wise storm do better in Melbourne than swans in Sydney

No theyre on par, last round storm in melbourne got 46k, swans in Sydney 50k, but yeh let’s ignore the two other metrics lol
I’d say Storm have more non melbourne fans than swans have non Sydney fans though for sure.

 

[Pippen94]

No theyre on par, last round storm in melbourne got 46k, swans in Sydney 50k, but yeh let’s ignore the two other metrics lol
I’d say Storm have more non melbourne fans than swans have non Sydney fans though for sure.

Swans on main channel more often. All things being equal storm are ahead

 

[Perth Red]

Swans on main channel more often. All things being equal storm are ahead

What they both show is expansion into new markets can be valuable!

 

[Wb1234]

What they both show is expansion into new markets can be valuable!

Yeh 150 million from news ltd plus an nrl grant totalling 400 million to add 50k viewers in Melbourne. And no juniors

and the numbers of the swans lions suns and gws are way worse

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh 150 million from news ltd plus an nrl grant totalling 400 million to add 50k viewers in Melbourne. And no juniors

and the numbers of the swans lions suns and gws are way worse

Only 140k tuned in to watch NRL on FTA in Sydney the other night and only 150k for this game on Thursday and 128k on Friday night, 130k sunday and so it goes on lol. Id hate to think how much money has been spent in Sydney over the same time period for those pathetic numbers.

 

[Wb1234]

Only 140k tuned in to watch NRL on FTA in Sydney the other night and only 150k for this game on Thursday and 128k on Friday night, 130k sunday and so it goes on lol. Id hate to think how much money has been spent in Sydney over the same time period for those pathetic numbers.

Those 50k viewers in Melbourne sure didn’t come cheaply did they ?

 

[Pippen94]

What they both show is expansion into new markets can be valuable!

Not really. In any case Melbourne & Sydney are two biggest markets.

 

[JamesRustle]

Yeh that’s the tv deal what’s the revenue growth? Just asking you to quantify your cLiam.
ps $402mill isnt more than $473mill lol.

When you bang on about tv deals, do you consider why there might be a difference based on first principles or just put it down to popularity?

What is the average total annual revenue for broadcast rights achieved by the NRL and AFL?

I would quiet comfortably say the AFL needs to be around 30% higher than the NRL to have any basis for bragging rights.

Broadcasters get more than 30% more TV time per AFL game and I would argue the AFL enables a lot more advertising opportunities via the number of stoppages and that after each goal there is a fixed time (conveniently about the time of an ad) before the umpires bounce the ball. The "more teams" argument is false, as the AFL only has 6 more games than the NRL per season.

	NRL	AFL	Difference
No. teams	16​	18​	2​	11%​
Squad size	30​	40​	10​	25%​
Salary cap	9,400,000​	13,540,000​	4,140,000​	31%​
Salary (avg)	313,333​	338,500​	25,167​	7%​
No. Games	192​	198​	6​	3%​
No. Finals	9​	9​	0​	0%​
Total games	201​	207​	6​	3%​
Game time (mins)	90​	120​	30​	25%​
Game breaks (mins)	10​	30​	20​	67%​
Pre/post game (mins)	20​	30​	10​	33%​
TV time per game (mins)	120​	180​	60​	33%​

The AFL squad size and cap are 25% and 31% higher than the NRL, so it would make sense the 33% increased broadcasting time should give them a higher result than the NRL based on some of the basic comparable metrics.

 

[Wb1234]

When you bang on about tv deals, do you consider why there might be a difference based on first principles or just put it down to popularity?

What is the average total annual revenue for broadcast rights achieved by the NRL and AFL?

I would quiet comfortably say the AFL needs to be around 30% higher than the NRL to have any basis for bragging rights.

Broadcasters get more than 30% more TV time per AFL game and I would argue the AFL enables a lot more advertising opportunities via the number of stoppages and that after each goal there is a fixed time (conveniently about the time of an ad) before the umpires bounce the ball. The "more teams" argument is false, as the AFL only has 6 more games than the NRL per season.

	NRL	AFL	Difference
No. teams	16​	18​	2​	11%​
Squad size	30​	40​	10​	25%​
Salary cap	9,400,000​	13,540,000​	4,140,000​	31%​
Salary (avg)	313,333​	338,500​	25,167​	7%​
No. Games	192​	198​	6​	3%​
No. Finals	9​	9​	0​	0%​
Total games	201​	207​	6​	3%​
Game time (mins)	90​	120​	30​	25%​
Game breaks (mins)	10​	30​	20​	67%​
Pre/post game (mins)	20​	30​	10​	33%​
TV time per game (mins)	120​	180​	60​	33%​

The AFL squad size and cap are 25% and 31% higher than the NRL, so it would make sense the 33% increased broadcasting time should give them a higher result than the NRL based on some of the basic comparable metrics.

Excellent.

 

[Vee]

can’t remember who meaninga knocked out but it was pretty good

Jacko. Big Mal was quite happy to take whatever Jacko could throw and just kept playing forward.

 

[Perth Red]

Those 50k viewers in Melbourne sure didn’t come cheaply did they ?

Not as expensive as those 150k viewers in Sydney!

 

[Perth Red]

When you bang on about tv deals, do you consider why there might be a difference based on first principles or just put it down to popularity?

What is the average total annual revenue for broadcast rights achieved by the NRL and AFL?

I would quiet comfortably say the AFL needs to be around 30% higher than the NRL to have any basis for bragging rights.

Broadcasters get more than 30% more TV time per AFL game and I would argue the AFL enables a lot more advertising opportunities via the number of stoppages and that after each goal there is a fixed time (conveniently about the time of an ad) before the umpires bounce the ball. The "more teams" argument is false, as the AFL only has 6 more games than the NRL per season.

	NRL	AFL	Difference
No. teams	16​	18​	2​	11%​
Squad size	30​	40​	10​	25%​
Salary cap	9,400,000​	13,540,000​	4,140,000​	31%​
Salary (avg)	313,333​	338,500​	25,167​	7%​
No. Games	192​	198​	6​	3%​
No. Finals	9​	9​	0​	0%​
Total games	201​	207​	6​	3%​
Game time (mins)	90​	120​	30​	25%​
Game breaks (mins)	10​	30​	20​	67%​
Pre/post game (mins)	20​	30​	10​	33%​
TV time per game (mins)	120​	180​	60​	33%​

The AFL squad size and cap are 25% and 31% higher than the NRL, so it would make sense the 33% increased broadcasting time should give them a higher result than the NRL based on some of the basic comparable metrics.

Bit simplistic isnt it? Origin only has 3 games played for 80 mins yet is rumored to be worth $20mill a year in tv value.

Yes their game goes longer, they have more games, due to our tardiness to expand, better metro reach and yes more advertising for FTA. However larger overall audiences, value of Origin, sydney market (or so I'm told by those on here), NZ rights etc should be counterbalances to some degree shouldnt they?
In terms of Australian rights AFL's will be around 25% higher next year.

I dont see what difference cap size and squad size makes to tv rights values? TV arent paying depending on the size of your squad or how much they are getting paid.