Who has the best 1,6,7,9?

[Godz Illa]

Gaba give it up. The "Orford mental frailty myth" crumbled in 2008 well before Orford did, and none of your tenuously pieced together arguments will change that. Not that I give a sh*t about Origin, but if Orford retains his form then imo he's the logical choice for halfback.

 

[Gaba]

, but if Orford retains his form then imo he's the logical choice for halfback.

:lol::lol::lol:

Some people dont have a clue

 

[Godz Illa]

Dazzling retort

 

[Johnny Bravo]

That was his first origin game and i thought he handled it well, and the players trust him,

With orford they wouldn't even in a easy grand final the manly players took the pressure off orford, which showed they werent confident he would have handled it

Origin 2 was Wallace's 2nd origin game. Now remind me of the score....

I'll give you a tip, QLD won. And NSW didn't score a point.

I happen to rate Wallace highly, and I think he's the future of the number 7 for NSW. But he choked pretty hard in origin 2. Something you're neglecting to mention in your discussion about chokers.

 

[watatank]

Gaba give it up. The "Orford mental frailty myth" crumbled in 2008 well before Orford did, and none of your tenuously pieced together arguments will change that. Not that I give a sh*t about Origin, but if Orford retains his form then imo he's the logical choice for halfback.

I disagree. If he was a myth before 2008 should not have changed that. Orford has always been decent at club level, but it's always his ability to go up another level has always been his problem which has been exposed in the chances he gets at City/Country and IMO he has hardly been inspiring during finals footy, either. Yes he lead his team to a premiership in 2008 but that premiership run encountered very little resistance. I would have liked to have seen how Orford reacted if Manly were 10 points at half time on Grand Final day.

Chances are Orford will be gone by the end of the season anyway (I heard somewhere he is going to England?), so that means we would have to pick someone else the next year. He is hardly a logical choice on that alone and if we wanted to get two years out of anyone, we might as well stick with Kimmorley or Barrett who are better

Origin 2 was Wallace's 2nd origin game. Now remind me of the score....

I'll give you a tip, QLD won. And NSW didn't score a point.

I happen to rate Wallace highly, and I think he's the future of the number 7 for NSW. But he choked pretty hard in origin 2. Something you're neglecting to mention in your discussion about chokers.

I too rate Wallace highly. Did he choke? NSW's forward pack got completely battered, he had absolutely no support in terms of actually trying to score points. You had Buderus, as good as he is, his style of play didn't really help and then you had Bird who offered no support and ended up getting smashed by cutie. Then you had Gidley try his hand there and looked completely lost. Brett Stewart is a good player but his style doesn't help Wallace here either.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

I too rate Wallace highly. Did he choke? NSW's forward pack got completely battered, he had absolutely no support in terms of actually trying to score points. You had Buderus, as good as he is, his style of play didn't really help and then you had Bird who offered no support and ended up getting smashed by cutie. Then you had Gidley try his hand there and looked completely lost. Brett Stewart is a good player but his style doesn't help Wallace here either.

There were a number of players in the NSW side who performed pretty poorly. The forwards being the main problem. That being said there were still quite a few wayward kicks from the halves that compounded the problem.

Wallace wasn't one of the worst on the field, but he hardly shone either. It's just very convenient to forget that game, when arguing the point that Orford is a choker and Wallace isn't. I don't think Orford is a half built for origin, I just don't think he has that tenacity required, but he's a damn good first grade half, and at present well ahead of Wallace in his skillset. Over the years that will change, but Wallace is definitely the type of player who is made for Origin.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Origin 2 was Wallace's 2nd origin game. Now remind me of the score....

I'll give you a tip, QLD won. And NSW didn't score a point.

I happen to rate Wallace highly, and I think he's the future of the number 7 for NSW. But he choked pretty hard in origin 2. Something you're neglecting to mention in your discussion about chokers.

You must remember that Wallace was running around the park for more than half of that match with a crushed nut after copping a boot in the first half. One can hardly have a great game carrying that sort of injury.

 

[Moffo]

crushed nut? poor diddums

 

[Tommax25]

Chances are Orford will be gone by the end of the season anyway (I heard somewhere he is going to England?), so that means we would have to pick someone else the next year. He is hardly a logical choice on that alone and if we wanted to get two years out of anyone, we might as well stick with Kimmorley or Barrett who are better

I would prefer to have orford than either of them. Explain how either of those two are currently better? They may have had better careers and at their peak been better players than orford at his peak, but currently orford is better then them, as evidenced by his dally m in the previous season.

 

[watatank]

I would prefer to have orford than either of them. Explain how either of those two are currently better? They may have had better careers and at their peak been better players than orford at his peak, but currently orford is better then them, as evidenced by his dally m in the previous season.

Barrett and Kimmorley have the runs on the board, simple as that. They have had solid rep careers and are hugely experienced. I could rely on them to at the very least play their role in organising the team from halfback as and be comfortable under pressure they have proven themselves at rep level before and that's good enough for me. I cannot say the same for Orford, though. His club form is probably as good as any NSW halfback but IMO he has simply not showed anything to suggest that he can handle Origin.

 

[perverse]

Barrett and Kimmorley have the runs on the board, simple as that. They have had solid rep careers and are hugely experienced. I could rely on them to at the very least play their role in organising the team from halfback as and be comfortable under pressure they have proven themselves at rep level before and that's good enough for me. I cannot say the same for Orford, though. His club form is probably as good as any NSW halfback but IMO he has simply not showed anything to suggest that he can handle Origin.

kimmorley has had about 1000 chances at origin and every single time i've said "surely that's the last time". i honestly can't see him getting yet another shot when we really need a half that can win us some matches now and in the future.

barrett is still extremely unproven... who knows if he still has it after his stint in england? he's a far better pivot than half, regardless.

 

[watatank]

kimmorley has had about 1000 chances at origin and every single time i've said "surely that's the last time". i honestly can't see him getting yet another shot when we really need a half that can win us some matches now and in the future.

barrett is still extremely unproven... who knows if he still has it after his stint in england? he's a far better pivot than half, regardless.

I agree that Kimmorley's ability to win matches has diminished over time, but I would have more confidence in playing him at halfback than Orford, which was my point. If Kimmorley is being picked, you'd have to leave the organising to him (it's a role he does extremely well IMO) and then pick more threatening attacking players outside of him. I just don't have the same confidence in Orford

I admit Barrett is a relative unknown and has had limited game time at halfback, but it's a role he has always done well in when called upon, particularly in Origin time. Five eighth is perhaps his best position but he plays both halves positions equally well IMO.

 

[HevyDevy]

1. scott mahon
6. tulsen tollett
7. stu gailbraith
9. hmmmm

Bill Greentree Moffo, Bill Greentree.

 

[perverse]

I agree that Kimmorley's ability to win matches has diminished over time, but I would have more confidence in playing him at halfback than Orford, which was my point. If Kimmorley is being picked, you'd have to leave the organising to him (it's a role he does extremely well IMO) and then pick more threatening attacking players outside of him. I just don't have the same confidence in Orford

I admit Barrett is a relative unknown and has had limited game time at halfback, but it's a role he has always done well in when called upon, particularly in Origin time. Five eighth is perhaps his best position but he plays both halves positions equally well IMO.

i wouldn't have orford or kimmorley anymore. i don't have a problem with wallace. i wouldn't put pearce back in again for another year to let him build confidence again. as i've said just about everywhere else i think mullen might get another (final) shot this year if his form is up to it... although he is undoubtedly a pivot too.

 

[watatank]

i wouldn't have orford or kimmorley anymore. i don't have a problem with wallace. i wouldn't put pearce back in again for another year to let him build confidence again. as i've said just about everywhere else i think mullen might get another (final) shot this year if his form is up to it... although he is undoubtedly a pivot too.

Yeah, I wasn't advocating Kimmorley for Origin. My choice would be Wallace or perhaps Barrett if he has a good run with the Sharks (and provided he played halfback).

Mullen's a five eighth and should be considered as such IMO

 

[Crippler]

1. Shannon Nevin
6. Michael Gillette
7. Shayne Dunley
9. Darren Senter FOR THE WIN

 

[Marshall_magic]

1. Shannon Nevin
6. Michael Gillette
7. Shayne Dunley
9. Darren Senter FOR THE WIN

pfft

1. Trent Clayton
6. Daniel Fitzhenry
7. Lincoln Withers
9. Darren Senter

 

[Tommax25]

pfft

1. Trent Clayton
6. Daniel Fitzhenry
7. Lincoln Withers
9. Darren Senter

he was a king among men, old trent clayton.

 

[mongoose]

1. Mullins
6. Daley
7. Stuart
9. Walters

Thats the spine from god right there. That was also the spine for the 94 kangaroo tour. And to make it even more formidable add 13. Brad Clyde.

 

[Moffo]

Bill Greentree Moffo, Bill Greentree.

haha i was thinking about my old footy cards but forgot about this gem of a player :lol:

michael erickson on the wing as well...slowest winger of all time