Why does rugby league have trouble expanding internationally compared to other codes

[Whatwhere]

I have two degrees as well. I'm aware of rugby league at both of those unis and they(RL clubs) are hardly the establishment! Wonder why? I should have qualified my statement with the exception of Catholic(Irish) secondary private schools.

And I'm absolutely certain that more secondary private schools play/allow union to be played as opposed to league. Have you heard of Knox, Grammar, Joeys, Kings....etc? You are surely joking! I note you are labeling union as "Rugby" which shows your real colours. Once again, another RU type dude aiming to deflect the very real issue of widespread bigotry within the majority of the RU influenced private schools. It's pretty logical what we are discussing and you have once again provided a perfect example of a RU type attempt to deflect and misinform for the sake of destabilising this very tell tale discourse its rightful positive momentum. I was school 'footy' captain and 'footy' was rugby league back then and I played union as well. This was a public secondary school.

Arts degrees don't count. Nor combined.

In regards to private schools that play Rugby. They are as follows;

GPS ( 6 schools) Kings, Joeys, Iggies, Scots, Shore and Newington.

CAS ( 6 schools) Knox, Barker, Cranbrook, Trinity, Waverley and St Aloyisus.

ISA ( 12 schools over two divisions) Auggies, Kinross, Stannies, St Greg, St Patrocks and Oakhill in Div 1. Chevalier, St Andrews, All Saints, Central Coast Grammar, Redfields and Redlands.

Private schools that play League;

Metro Catholic Schools ( 13 schools), St Gregs, St Pats Blacktown, St Pats Fairfield, All Saints Liverpool, St Dominics, John Paul 2, Terra Sancta Schofiled, Marist Eastwood, Marist Parramatta, Trinity College Auburn, St Pauls, ST Pats Dundas, Macauly Emu Plain.

Metro Catholic Colleges ( 8 schools) De la Salle Ashfield, La Salle Catholic College Bankstown, Marist Kogarah, Marost North Sydney, Christian Brothers Lewisham, Champagnat College )agewood, Marcellin Randwick and Holy Cross Ryde.

Macarthur Independent Sports Assoc. ( 6 schools that I know of from my time at school) Broughton, William Carey, Mount Carmel, Wollindilly Anglican, Magdelene and Freeman.

That's the three I'm most familiar with and that's 27 schools. There's also a bunch that play in their own comp down in Wollongong.

 

[Stallion]

One of my degrees involved the study of media ownership & society which is where my foundation for noticing the "dodgy" things of the world at play.(RU's propagation through establishment based influence etc) Your deliberate attempt to undermine this very relevant discourse is right up there in the great efforts of "trollism". Well done on that for what it's worth.

A vitally important point that you miss in your lists is that the schools that play rugby league(which I'm glad to see) also allow rugby union whereas the schools that play rugby union you have selected, and their are many more (I know of at least two that play only rugby union located in rugby league heartland areas) do not allow rugby league at all! These "private" schools only play rugby union along with other football codes.So please qualify your information just as I have qualified the "Catholic Irish"(rugby league's savior and base for its growth/ presence in NSW & QLD) bit of rugby league in secondary private schooling.

This institutionalized exclusiveness for union in most private schools in not allowing rugby league is rife! Whereas you have chosen not too mention that the schools playing rugby league also include union. And on a worldwide scale this "rugby union only" scenario increases exponentially. Go figure that out champ and I teach for a living! But probably more important is that I could run hard, ball play and tackle well unlike the RU trolls that frequent/undermine our discourse of what is really going on. Once again "Shame" in Shameteurism (forgive the spelling error-its worth it!) sits well with your "spoiling role". Save your troll efforts for the Tweed jacket brigade.

We certainly don't meddle in the absolute crap the RU websites would be going on about.

I'll conclude on this note: a far more democratic/inclusive form of rugby being that of rugby league is on the outer in many establishment based areas of the world and one of those is the private schools. Added to the "sham/e",public schooling internationally is in that category as well.

 

[Knownothing]

How many degrees do you hold, Stallion?

 

[Stallion]

How many degrees do you hold, Stallion?

It's already in the discussion with the other union troll.

I'm not concerned with your background just your pro centric rugby union stance on a rugby league site.

The genuine RL fans on this website are discussing a topic in this thread that is very relevant and revealing. The site doesn't require "spoilers" to inhibit worthwhile discourse.

In our world you have the right to come in with your comments and play alongside schools that play all codes of football unlike the lack of rights afforded to people wanting to/wishing to play/grow the sport of rugby league around various places of the world due to ingrained measures and hegemonic practices/dirty tricks beyond their control.

 

[Knownothing]

That's the problem with the real world, isn't it. Too many union trolls.

 

[Stallion]

Lol.


I think your many RU troll friends would welcome your fake cynicism. It helps detract from something that is worth a much more expanded discourse than just on this RL website.

I'd say you are well and truly hoping that the genuine rugby league fans in this forum are starting to doubt themselves but we have seen too many examples to now know the trickery and ways in which RU has very deliberately limited/stopped the development/existence/growth of RL in most places around the world. Once again shame on you!

 

[siv]

Gang forget Australia in this discussion

Its about getting better access to places like Kenya Morocco Russia South Africa or new nations like Argentina and Brazil

 

[Whatwhere]

One of my degrees involved the study of media ownership & society which is where my foundation for noticing the "dodgy" things of the world at play.(RU's propagation through establishment based influence etc) Your deliberate attempt to undermine this very relevant discourse is right up there in the great efforts of "trollism". Well done on that for what it's worth.

A vitally important point that you miss in your lists is that the schools that play rugby league(which I'm glad to see) also allow rugby union whereas the schools that play rugby union you have selected, and their are many more (I know of at least two that play only rugby union located in rugby league heartland areas) do not allow rugby league at all! These "private" schools only play rugby union along with other football codes.So please qualify your information just as I have qualified the "Catholic Irish"(rugby league's savior and base for its growth/ presence in NSW & QLD) bit of rugby league in secondary private schooling.

This institutionalized exclusiveness for union in most private schools in not allowing rugby league is rife! Whereas you have chosen not too mention that the schools playing rugby league also include union. And on a worldwide scale this "rugby union only" scenario increases exponentially. Go figure that out champ and I teach for a living! But probably more important is that I could run hard, ball play and tackle well unlike the RU trolls that frequent/undermine our discourse of what is really going on. Once again "Shame" in Shameteurism (forgive the spelling error-its worth it!) sits well with your "spoiling role". Save your troll efforts for the Tweed jacket brigade.

We certainly don't meddle in the absolute crap the RU websites would be going on about.

I'll conclude on this note: a far more democratic/inclusive form of rugby being that of rugby league is on the outer in many establishment based areas of the world and one of those is the private schools. Added to the "sham/e",public schooling internationally is in that category as well.

Offering an dissenting opinion isn't trolling. It's debating a topic. Something I've noticed a number of posters here don't like doing. Much prefer to just agree with one another without looking at issues from different perspectives. While I'm not a psychologist or anything I do have several family members who are and a grandfather (who's a huge Bulldogs fan by the way) who was a Psychiatrist who have all at one time or another have stated that belief perseverance (the agreeing with one another bit) without challenge is very unhealthy.

Anyway, back to my last post. You stated that League didn't have access to the private secondary school sector and I suggested that League in fact had more schools playing it. I referenced just the school sporting association I was familiar with that play in regular organised competitions (the two other schools you are referring two don't feature in these comps. Perhaps once but not now) regarding both codes. Turns out you were in fact wrong.

 

[Whatwhere]

How many degrees do you hold, Stallion?

Can't you read? It's two. He has two degrees. Well, at least one appears to be an Arts degree which only Arts students actually believe to be legitimate but that's an argument for another time.

 

[Knownothing]

Can't you read? It's two. He has two degrees. Well, at least one appears to be an Arts degree which only Arts students actually believe to be legitimate but that's an argument for another time.

.

Yes, I can read, thanks for asking. But I choose not to trawl through every post on every thread. It does get a bit boring.

That said, I have had enough of this thread.

My summary of the whole sad story is: the international expansion of rugby league into the world's premier sport, which it deserves to be because it is so attractive, is blocked by a bunch of private school old boys.


And anybody who posits an alternative argument is a union troll.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Correct.

I'd go with transparent Vichy apologist, but six of one...

 

[Stallion]

These RU dudes have got a bit touchy and precious. Perhaps following their codes hegemonic limitation of a code(RL) that is essentially more attractive than RU.

One of the articles from a journalist that follows both codes concludes with the reason behind rugby union's repression of rugby league. He uses the word FEAR! Referring to a fear that RL if given the same opportunity to establish and grow would overtake and be eventually be only "rugby" about. Something that I think is feasible in a fair world but not in the bigoted world these RU guys have influence in! Equity and sporting justice doesn't necessarily tie in the scenario we currently experience.

Perhaps people may become aware of what has transpired and is still happening which would assist RLs plight? Their is a good guy and bad guy theme in this sporting injustice and the Bad guy mostly wears a tweed jacket.

 

[Stallion]

Offering an dissenting opinion isn't trolling. It's debating a topic. Something I've noticed a number of posters here don't like doing. Much prefer to just agree with one another without looking at issues from different perspectives. While I'm not a psychologist or anything I do have several family members who are and a grandfather (who's a huge Bulldogs fan by the way) who was a Psychiatrist who have all at one time or another have stated that belief perseverance (the agreeing with one another bit) without challenge is very unhealthy.

Anyway, back to my last post. You stated that League didn't have access to the private secondary school sector and I suggested that League in fact had more schools playing it. I referenced just the school sporting association I was familiar with that play in regular organised competitions (the two other schools you are referring two don't feature in these comps. Perhaps once but not now) regarding both codes. Turns out you were in fact wrong.

I stand by the statement that their are a good number of private secondary schools playing only rugby union. The schools playing rugby league allow & play rugby union. This is a distinctive difference! For instance Laurie Daley has recently questioned why rugby league isn't offered at his son's private school? A fair and decent request don't you think? I basically believe: let the students play both and let them decide their preference. Instead we have these students missing out on both when it comes to the RU only schools!

The private schools of Macquarie College and Newcastle Grammar do not allow rugby league and play other football codes including rugby union. Seems inequitable from any fair persons point of view?

 

[Whatwhere]

These RU dudes have got a bit touchy and precious. Perhaps following their codes hegemonic limitation of a code(RL) that is essentially more attractive than RU.

One of the articles from a journalist that follows both codes concludes with the reason behind rugby union's repression of rugby league. He uses the word FEAR! Referring to a fear that RL if given the same opportunity to establish and grow would overtake and be eventually be only "rugby" about. Something that I think is feasible in a fair world but not in the bigoted world these RU guys have influence in! Equity and sporting justice doesn't necessarily tie in the scenario we currently experience.

Perhaps people may become aware of what has transpired and is still happening which would assist RLs plight? Their is a good guy and bad guy theme in this sporting injustice and the Bad guy mostly wears a tweed jacket.

Declaring victory is always hollow when your assumptions couldn't be further from the truth. I know text loses alot of its finese as a medium in comparison to the spoken word but I thought my intent was fairly clear. And that was more being facetious.

As for Daly. He's talking about Ignatius isn't he? He sent him knowing they played Rugby. Whining about it after the fact is just poor form. Which is hardly surprising as Daly has always been a habitual whinge.

 

[Stallion]

No hollow victory here champ!
If their is general public awareness of the unfairness that's what regards as progress! What has been going on in the private secondary schools: that being that many schools offer rugby union only and many of the schools that offer rugby league do so for primary only and some to year ten and then suddenly rugby union is only offered in year 11/12 , reeks of 'elitism' from a code(RU) that doesn't deserve it. Reverse the situation and have rugby league the top end sport at such schools? I would think that as unfair? But your stance maintains the 'bigotry"!

The general public are not aware of this selective determining of what students play in these schools. When informing the 'everyday' person they are amazed at what is going on!

Let both codes be played. That's fair. Let the student make their choice or do both and not the hierarchy. In an area where rugby league is very popular (NSW & QLD) I find it amazing that such private schools show a deliberate disdain for this code? It's disturbing you blame Daley for wrongly selecting the school? I would suggest that such a choice should not be a consideration and the decent set up would be an offering of both rugby codes? The inequity is there. It's wrong.

 

[Whatwhere]

No hollow victory here champ!
If their is general public awareness of the unfairness that's what regards as progress! What has been going on in the private secondary schools: that being that many schools offer rugby union only and many of the schools that offer rugby league do so for primary only and some to year ten and then suddenly rugby union is only offered in year 11/12 , reeks of 'elitism' from a code(RU) that doesn't deserve it. Reverse the situation and have rugby league the top end sport at such schools? I would think that as unfair? But your stance maintains the 'bigotry"!

The general public are not aware of this selective determining of what students play in these schools. When informing the 'everyday' person they are amazed at what is going on!

Let both codes be played. That's fair. Let the student make their choice or do both and not the hierarchy. In an area where rugby league is very popular (NSW & QLD) I find it amazing that such private schools show a deliberate disdain for this code? It's disturbing you blame Daley for wrongly selecting the school? I would suggest that such a choice should not be a consideration and the decent set up would be an offering of both rugby codes? The inequity is there. It's wrong.

You are so easy to bait it's almost unsporting. Almost.

 

[Stallion]

You are so easy to bait it's almost unsporting. Almost.

Perhaps so? If that's what needed to have progressive discussion then I can cop that!

Hope you see that this discourse is worthwhile and needs to be addressed.
It's blatantly unfair on the code of rugby league.

I trust you have an improved perspective of this bigotry exerted by essentially RU influences in many different ways.

 

[Whatwhere]

Perhaps so? If that's what needed to have progressive discussion then I can cop that!

Hope you see that this discourse is worthwhile and needs to be addressed.
It's blatantly unfair on the code of rugby league.

I trust you have an improved perspective of this bigotry exerted by essentially RU influences in many different ways.

Nothing you've brought up is anything new or revolutionary. Same victim mentality as always. I neither deny nor try to excuse the behaviour mentioned but this need to cling to this sense of injustice as the singular reason League still struggles for relevance internationally while over looking decades of insularity and mismanagement is just as damaging as the said roadblocks constantly highlighted.

It excuses those in a position of power for their lack of action or interest and their incompetence when attempts have been made.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Right so it's agreed. Union are a bunch of merkins who've been f**king over RL for 120 years and continue to do so, while RL admin is also shit and has been forever.

 

[Whatwhere]

Right so it's agreed. Union are a bunch of merkins who've been f**king over RL for 120 years and continue to do so, while RL admin is also shit and has been forever.

More the latter than the former. While actions taken by one certainly would have made entry to some regions more difficult it certainly wouldn't have been impossible. Perhaps in the first half of last century, yeah. But with the much increased mobility of many that emerged in the 2nd half of the 20th century and beyond there could have been measures taken to overcome these issues.

That's the nature of development. It require hard work and ingenuity. Just ask those developing Rugby in the US who invest 10,000 of hours and millions of dollars every year often out of their own pocket or fundraising efforts.

The whole, blame the big bad Rugby, angle excuses the 'too hard, why try' approach League admin has taken for much of its existence. You know there are situations where other sports have tried to block Rugby. Still comes up in the US all the time with AF coaches. But the volunteers behind the movement get people on board and often change minds.