Why is perth bid so secretive?!

[Colk]

I didn’t say the lions would go broke in one year lol

You are saying that they will eventually die of a third Brisbane side even though the second or the first haven’t killed them. Or the fact that nine league sides haven’t killed the Swans or nine fumbleball sides haven’t killed the Storm.

There is no evidence that you can point to that suggests that this even a remote possibility. The reason is they have their audience and they most likely consist of people who don’t like league but like fumbleball or like both and jump on a bandwagon. That’s just it mate.

 

[Wb1234]

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You are saying that they will eventually die of a third Brisbane side even though the second or the first haven’t killed them. Or the fact that nine league sides haven’t killed the Swans or nine fumbleball sides haven’t killed the Storm.

There is no evidence that you can point to that suggests that this even a remote possibility. The reason is they have their audience and they most likely consist of people who don’t like league but like fumbleball or like both and jump on a bandwagon. That’s just it mate.

yeo that’s what I’m saying

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't understand why certain people on here are so obsessed with afl that it drives their entire mentality. Every single thought in their mind is "how can we make afl look worse", and not "what would make the nrl better".

Putting NRL teams in Adelaide and Perth just because AwFuL has a stronghold on those markets is the very definition of focusing on what fumbleballers think and not worrying about the best interests of the game.

 

[Colk]

My focus on trying to resurrect the Scorpions and base them at Cronulla Park isn't focusing on rugby league, but a sign of insecurity about fumbleball?

How would you like it if Manuka Oval was given a flash makeover for an AwFuL club after the Raiders died?

I've heard from a fellow member on here that Cronulla Park was gifted to Springwood Pumas under a suspicious deal.

I would be upset if the Raiders died but I couldn’t do anything about it.

They would have died because they didn’t make enough money to service themselves. Same with Logan in the local competition. Life goes on however I or anybody else feels about it.

On the Logan thing they have to base themselves somewhere. If they based themselves in Wynnum would you care then? None of this changes the fact that they have a niche audience and to me it seems strange to worry about league’s place in Brisbane when it is clearly much more popular.

 

[Colk]

Y

yeo that’s what I’m saying

What are you saying? That they have a niche audience? That whoever supports the Lions will still support them regardless of what the NRL does?

 

[Wb1234]

What are you saying? That they have a niche audience? That whoever supports the Lions will still support them regardless of what the NRL does?

You want me to repeat myself for the fourth time ? What for

 

[Colk]

Putting NRL teams in Adelaide and Perth just because AwFuL has a stronghold on those markets is the very definition of focusing on what fumbleballers think and not worrying about the best interests of the game.

Not really.

The belief is that there is a chance to get an audience that is not directly exposed to the game currently. The argument is whether there is enough of an audience but people who are pro it are showing very little concern about what fumbleball do at all.

 

[Colk]

You want me to repeat myself for the fourth time ? What for

Your last post didn’t make sense. But if you are just going to repeat that nonsense then yeah it is probably best to leave it.

 

[Wb1234]

Your last post didn’t make sense. But if you are just going to repeat that nonsense then yeah it is probably best to leave it.

Sweet

 

[Maximus]

Putting NRL teams in Adelaide and Perth just because AwFuL has a stronghold on those markets is the very definition of focusing on what fumbleballers think and not worrying about the best interests of the game.

Congrats on proving my point that your entire mindset is based on afl. You are so obsessed that you believe anyone who thinks there should be a team in either city, only thinks that is the case because there are afl teams there.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That doesn’t change the fact that fumbleball is a niche sport in Brisbane and will continue to be so whether we have three, two, one, four sides (however many sides you want)

NRL teams in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will never be anything but niche products in a hostile market. There's no hiding from the fact that fumbleball was established in Brisbane and Sydney long before rugby league reached this country. Fumbleball had a far larger presence in Brisbane and Sydney in 1980 than rugby league had in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. It'll take significantly more money to grow rugby league in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth than AwFuL has spent on increasing its fanbase in Brisbane and Sydney. Not only will it cost rugby league more, but it will provide fewer returns because it's more niche in those markets than fumbleball was in Brisbane and Sydney in 1980. We only have to look at the tiny player base in Melbourne to prove my point.

No matter how you try to spin it, the fact remains that the Storm have been an unmitigated failure at growing the game in Melbourne. Their ratings in Melbourne are just 33k, despite 25 years of sustained on field success. Compare that to the Lions who generate 48k viewers in a market half the size of Melbourne with a team that has spent the bulk of the last two decades at the bottom of the ladder. There's just 5k RL players in the state and no junior clubs in the inner suburbs of Melbourne. Queensland has somewhere between 20-30k registered fumbleball players.

If it wasn't for the Victory then the Storm would probably be playing out of Olympic Park. The only government support the Storm have generated has been from the City of Casey.

City of Ipswich granted the Lions a 99 year lease for a training base in Springfield for just $1. Compare that to the Logan City Council, who charged the Scorpions to sign a 15 year lease for a ground they didn't want at a rate that was more expensive than the combined total of every other sports club in the city. The lease bankrupted the Scorpions. A few years ago the Springwood Pumas fumbleball club were gifted Cronulla Park by the Queensland Gov and Logan City Council.

I'd like to see our game stand up for itself in its heartland. If we continue to get ripped off in our heartland then what makes you think SA, Vic and WA will give us a fair go?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Not really.

The belief is that there is a chance to get an audience that is not directly exposed to the game currently. The argument is whether there is enough of an audience but people who are pro it are showing very little concern about what fumbleball do at all.

There's no evidence to support your belief. The Melbourne Storm have barely made a dent in the Melbourne market, despite having 25 years of sustained success. It's not a good endorsement for expansion into Adelaide and Perth.

Pro-expansionists show little concern about fumbleball?

@Perth Red knows all about the financials of the Eagles, Dockers and Lions. He's always going in about how the Eagles and Dockers are bigger and richer than the Broncos. A few years ago he was arguing Brisbane should only have one team because their crowds aren't as big as the Eagles.

Despite comparing the Broncos with the Eagles and Dockers, the prick never compares the Storm with the Lions and Swans. He's the most biased poster on this board.

Another thing Perth Red knows a lot about is the AwFuL broadcast deal. If you go over to the media section of LU you'll see him ranting about how much more money AwFuL gets from the broadcasters and sponsors. He's used those figures to argue we need teams in Adelaide and Perth within the next decade or the game will be f**ked.

I'd say that's someone who cares very much about what fumbleball does.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Congrats on proving my point that your entire mindset is based on afl. You are so obsessed that you believe anyone who thinks there should be a team in either city, only thinks that is the case because there are afl teams there.

Your inability to comprehend what's in front of you never fails to amaze me.

Perth Red has argued for years that we need teams in Adelaide and Perth within the next decade to match what AwFuL gets from the broadcasters and sponsors. mongoose and The Great Dope have also made similar claims about TV ratings and sponsorship.

 

[Colk]

NRL teams in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will never be anything but niche products in a hostile market. There's no hiding from the fact that fumbleball was established in Brisbane and Sydney long before rugby league reached this country. Fumbleball had a far larger presence in Brisbane and Sydney in 1980 than rugby league had in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. It'll take significantly more money to grow rugby league in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth than AwFuL has spent on increasing its fanbase in Brisbane and Sydney. Not only will it cost rugby league more, but it will provide fewer returns because it's more niche in those markets than fumbleball was in Brisbane and Sydney in 1980. We only have to look at the tiny player base in Melbourne to prove my point.

No matter how you try to spin it, the fact remains that the Storm have been an unmitigated failure at growing the game in Melbourne. Their ratings in Melbourne are just 33k, despite 25 years of sustained on field success. Compare that to the Lions who generate 48k viewers in a market half the size of Melbourne with a team that has spent the bulk of the last two decades at the bottom of the ladder. There's just 5k RL players in the state and no junior clubs in the inner suburbs of Melbourne. Queensland has somewhere between 20-30k registered fumbleball players.

If it wasn't for the Victory then the Storm would probably be playing out of Olympic Park. The only government support the Storm have generated has been from the City of Casey.

City of Ipswich granted the Lions a 99 year lease for a training base in Springfield for just $1. Compare that to the Logan City Council, who charged the Scorpions to sign a 15 year lease for a ground they didn't want at a rate that was more expensive than the combined total of every other sports club in the city. The lease bankrupted the Scorpions. A few years ago the Springwood Pumas fumbleball club were gifted Cronulla Park by the Queensland Gov and Logan City Council.

I'd like to see our game stand up for itself in its heartland. If we continue to get ripped off in our heartland then what makes you think SA, Vic and WA will give us a fair go?

1. That’s speculation of the highest degree. To counter that I would simply point to the fact that to run a fumbleball club requires a hell of a lot more capital than to run a league club. Considerably more.

2. That’s because the game is completely negligent and massively conservative. It’s filled with people who can’t look beyond their own backyard.

3. Who f****** cares. You want to accuse other people of being obsessed with fumbleball then you go and sprout this paragraph. The only lesson to be learned from this is for the game to build better relationships with people in power. Be better than them rather than going they are just too good. It’s called capitalism.

4. I agree but that’s a mindset. That doesn’t translate to just ignoring other potential markets and locking yourself up in this persistent inferiority mindset where you are bound to lose in any case. It also can’t be about the number of sides in the heartland unless you think 14 out of 17 sides isn’t enough.

 

[Maximus]

Your inability to comprehend what's in front of you never fails to amaze me.

Perth Red has argued for years that we need teams in Adelaide and Perth within the next decade to match what AwFuL gets from the broadcasters and sponsors. mongoose and The Great Dope have also made similar claims about TV ratings and sponsorship.

You continue to prove my point with every post you make.

 

[Colk]

There's no evidence to support your belief. The Melbourne Storm have barely made a dent in the Melbourne market, despite having 25 years of sustained success. It's not a good endorsement for expansion into Adelaide and Perth.

Pro-expansionists show little concern about fumbleball?

@Perth Red knows all about the financials of the Eagles, Dockers and Lions. He's always going in about how the Eagles and Dockers are bigger and richer than the Broncos. A few years ago he was arguing Brisbane should only have one team because their crowds aren't as big as the Eagles.

Despite comparing the Broncos with the Eagles and Dockers, the prick never compares the Storm with the Lions and Swans. He's the most biased poster on this board.

Another thing Perth Red knows a lot about is the AwFuL broadcast deal. If you go over to the media section of LU you'll see him ranting about how much more money AwFuL gets from the broadcasters and sponsors. He's used those figures to argue we need teams in Adelaide and Perth within the next decade or the game will be f**ked.

I'd say that's someone who cares very much about what fumbleball does.

I don’t care about what Perth Red thinks. Myself, I am not concerned about what they do at all.

I do get sick of people though that have this mindset saying that somehow league can’t do what every other sport in this country can. It’s baffling.

 

[Maximus]

1. That’s speculation of the highest degree. To counter that I would simply point to the fact that to run a fumbleball club requires a hell of a lot more capital than to run a league club. Considerably more.

The first bolded part indicates he believes that rugby league can never be popular outside the heartland, and that it's easier for afl to attract new fans. He talks up afl more than perth red.

 

[Canard]

Saying the Storm have been an unmitigated failure, is such a absolute statement lacking any nuance it seems basically absurd, and possibly just a joke post.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

1. That’s speculation of the highest degree. To counter that I would simply point to the fact that to run a fumbleball club requires a hell of a lot more capital than to run a league club. Considerably more.

2. That’s because the game is completely negligent and massively conservative. It’s filled with people who can’t look beyond their own backyard.

3. Who f****** cares. You want to accuse other people of being obsessed with fumbleball then you go and sprout this paragraph. The only lesson to be learned from this is for the game to build better relationships with people in power. Be better than them rather than going they are just too good. It’s called capitalism.

4. I agree but that’s a mindset. That doesn’t translate to just ignoring other potential markets and locking yourself up in this persistent inferiority mindset where you are bound to lose in any case. It also can’t be about the number of sides in the heartland unless you think 14 out of 17 sides isn’t enough.

You're rambling and stretching by bringing up the amount it costs to run an AwFuL club. It's mitigated by AwFuL's variable funding scheme. The ARLC will never provide a variable funding scheme to benefit weaker clubs at the expense of the elite.

Why are you conflating Queensland with NSW by saying "14 of 17 clubs are in the heartland"?

Only 2 of the 17 clubs are in Brisbane.

Only 4 of the 17 clubs are in Queensland.

Why should I ignore the interest of rugby league in Brisbane and advocate for unwanted teams in Adelaide and Perth that little value to the game?

Would you give up the Raiders for Perth?

 

[Wb1234]

I don’t care about what Perth Red thinks. Myself, I am not concerned about what they do at all.

I do get sick of people though that have this mindset saying that somehow league can’t do what every other sport in this country can. It’s baffling.

Why can’t league be different and do what’s best for itself ?