Why is perth bid so secretive?!

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Don't compare Perth's participation rate / rugby league community size today with what was achieved in the peak of the Reds in 1997.

Compare today's participation rate with the early 90s before a commitment to expansion was implemented in 92.

The growth rate that was achieved from when the ARL committed to a team in 92 to 97 was outstanding and shows what is possible.

@Perth Red said it was 10k. Participation rates across the country have dropped since then.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

lie.
registered players yes. Neglect will do that.
Last year we got 43k to a rugby league game, never happened before in 75 years of rugby league in perth.

You're telling lies again.

Perth got 43k to a double header. Stop pretending a double header is no different to a standalone game. You had supporters from four teams at the double header bumping up the numbers.

NSWRL games played at the WACA in 1989 and early 1990s drew bigger crowds than NRL games played at PRS over the 15 years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Perth isn’t as open to rugby league as it was in 95

the turn off due to super league is part of it as is afl being entrenched now more than. 95

a Perth nrl team would be dwarfed by both afl teams

It's doubtful the Reds would have survived without a Super League War.

Before 1995 there was just one major team in Perth. The Eagles.

The Dockers and Reds entered their respective competitions in 1995. Dockers won the battle for fans by a country mile. Now the Eagles and Dockers are far bigger than they were in 1995. The Force had two or three times as many fans as the Reds during their peak. Introducing a Perth-based NRL team now will be a far harder task than it was in 1995.

 

[mongoose]

It's doubtful the Reds would have survived without a Super League War.

Before 1995 there was just one major team in Perth. The Eagles.

The Dockers and Reds entered their respective competitions in 1995. Dockers won the battle for fans by a country mile. Now the Eagles and Dockers are far bigger than they were in 1995. The Force had two or three times as many fans as the Reds during their peak. Introducing a Perth-based NRL team now will be a far harder task than it was in 1995.

agreed. If the Reds had stayed around they might be as big as the Dockers now.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I have no relationship to Perth Red nor his comments. How does that make you commenting on something you know nothing about correct?

I've gone into great detail in other threads on what is needed for Perth. Yes Perth can begin to produce NRL talent consistently within 5-10 years with the right infrastructure. Will Perth fill a whole squad, no way .... but it shouldn't have to.

A 5% increase in Australian wide participation via Perth would be an achievable goal within 5 years, who knows past then.

I wouldn't be surprised if Perth picked up the 20th licence, but only if there isn't a viable consortium from New Zealand bidding for a licence.

A Perth-based team will increase the game's profile in Perth, but not by a great extent. It could double or triple participation, but WARL will never have the same talent pool as the QAFL.

The game will benefit more from NZ2 and Brisbane 3.

If I had my way I'd relocate the Storm to Perth.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

agreed. If the Reds had stayed around they might be as big as the Dockers now.

Year	Dockers	Reds
1995	23,361	13,390
1996	22,473	8,262
1997	21,982	8,776

The Dockers are now averaging more than 40k to their games. For the Reds to be as big as the Dockers then they would have to be bigger than the Broncos.

AFL Tables - Fremantle - Crowds

afltables.com

Rugby League Tables / Attendances /Perth

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables

afltables.com

 

[Colk]

agreed. If the Reds had stayed around they might be as big as the Dockers now.

That’s a bit of a silly statement.

 

[Colk]

I wouldn't be surprised if Perth picked up the 20th licence, but only if there isn't a viable consortium from New Zealand bidding for a licence.

A Perth-based team will increase the game's profile in Perth, but not by a great extent. It could double or triple participation, but WARL will never have the same talent pool as the QAFL.

The game will benefit more from NZ2 and Brisbane 3.

If I had my way I'd relocate the Storm to Perth.

That’s also a silly statement

 

[Perth Red]

@Perth Red said it was 10k. Participation rates across the country have dropped since then.

and perth was 1mill population compared to 2.2mil today

 

[Perth Red]

You're telling lies again.

Perth got 43k to a double header. Stop pretending a double header is no different to a standalone game. You had supporters from four teams at the double header bumping up the numbers.

NSWRL games played at the WACA in 1989 and early 1990s drew bigger crowds than NRL games played at PRS over the 15 years.

it was for NRL, perth has never seen a crowd of 43k for club RL before. oh yeh baby!

 

[Wb1234]

and perth was 1mill population compared to 2.2mil today

So why did the force and glory both go into administration or die off ?

 

[Perth Red]

I wouldn't be surprised if Perth picked up the 20th licence, but only if there isn't a viable consortium from New Zealand bidding for a licence.

A Perth-based team will increase the game's profile in Perth, but not by a great extent. It could double or triple participation, but WARL will never have the same talent pool as the QAFL.

The game will benefit more from NZ2 and Brisbane 3.

If I had my way I'd relocate the Storm to Perth.

So you want to get rid of Broncos and Melbourne, two of the games biggest clubs. You're not very bright are you?

 

[Perth Red]

So why did the force and glory both go into administration or die off ?

Youd have to look at the landscape of Australian football and rugby union in this country to answer that. There's a number of reasons. Poor ownership and poorly run sports codes being the two major ones.

 

[Colk]

So why did the force and glory both go into administration or die off ?

Because it is Super Rugby and the A-League. They aren’t going particularly well are they?

 

[Wb1234]

Youd have to look at the landscape of Australian football and rugby union in this country to answer that. There's a number of reasons. Poor ownership and poorly run sports codes being the two major ones.

Maybe Perth fans won’t support any sport other than afl long term

all the evidence points to that

trust me bro isn’t a good argument

 

[Wb1234]

Youd have to look at the landscape of Australian football and rugby union in this country to answer that. There's a number of reasons. Poor ownership and poorly run sports codes being the two major ones.

Maybe

Because it is Super Rugby and the A-League. They aren’t going particularly well are they?

twiggy is a billionaire

and even with an unlimited budget they get 5k showing up

 

[Colk]

Maybe

twiggy is a billionaire

and even with an unlimited budget they get 5k showing up

Yes because it is Super Rugby. How many people are going to watch the Waratahs? Or the Reds? Or the Rebels?

Nobody cares about Rugby Union in this country.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes because it is Super Rugby. How many people are going to watch the Waratahs? Or the Reds? Or the Rebels?

Nobody cares about Rugby Union in this country.

So the argument is trust me bro

if will be different this time (western reds failing)

 

[Perth Red]

So the argument is trust me bro

if will be different this time (western reds failing)

for someone avoiding the perth threads you've just posted 4 times in 15mins in here lol

 

[Colk]

So the argument is trust me bro

if will be different this time (western reds failing)

That’s called expansion mate. Nobody can guarantee anything and the whole argument of well it failed once we shouldn’t try again is so moronic. If we all thought that then human history would be a whole lot different - we might be still living in caves probably.

I look at fumbleball and most other sports in this country and they seem to be able to have teams where the populations are. F*** me if they can manage it why we are so scared?

Also before you throw the whole Suns and Giants angle, I just listened to a podcast where Weidler argued that we should do expansion not because it is intrinsically the best choice but because it might stick it to fumbleball. Seriously, we are that worried about another code in an area where we are dominant. If that doesn’t show you who has the best model for expansion then I can’t help you.